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situation with my colleague

978 replies

MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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Seeds1962 · 11/12/2017 22:34

But reader .. they would have been ,!?

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 11/12/2017 23:21

Bra intervention- I can't find the thread but basically measure tight under tits where bra strap goes in inches. Then lean forward until your norks hang down like udders.

First measurement is back size. Every inch that nork measurement is greater than back measurement is a cup size.

(So alit back is 32 and boobs are 38 then you are a 32 E.) order online. Panache are nice.

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 11/12/2017 23:22

Sorry- should have said measure your nork/udders at lowest point!

Also just want to say again how much I adore this thread!

MarklahMarklah · 11/12/2017 23:46

I can confirm that Timbuktu's method works really well. I was wearing 36c before pregnancy, and post-birth to pretty much 3 months ago. DD is now nearly 7. I measured properly and discover I've far more shape than I thought, am am currently sporting a 34d/dd

Debenhams had some nice undies last time I looked.

Mix56 · 12/12/2017 07:43

Can't you pop to Etam or somewhere in your lunch time? if not
I'd buy a few on line & send back the ones that don't fit

livefornaps · 12/12/2017 09:28

Oh my lord I just read THIRTY EIGHT PAGES of this thread...!

Mortal, you and R have legions of fans.

I know what it's like to fall in love with someone because they know how to use words well.

Keep going. This thread has made me feel all schmooshy!

I've just been riveted - you write brilliantly, no wonder he thinks you're such a great confidante correspondent.

Fourmagpies · 12/12/2017 09:44

I've been lurking but this is the link to the Boob or Bust website which is bra intervention booborbust.com/bra-measuring-guide/
I wouldn't trust M&S for a bra fitting.

As you were.

Sunshinegirl18 · 12/12/2017 12:26

Delurking just to say : I absolutely love reading your thread Mortal.

We are all vouching for you and R to get together. Your posts are truly wonderful to read and others are right, you write beautifully 😊

...*Relurking

OldPony · 12/12/2017 15:35

I'm rooting for you Mortal!
My dates have been disastrous for the entirety of this thread. However, I have a potential lunch date on Thursday!
One of the benefits of my daughter being at Uni is that I can spread myself thinly acrosss the dating scenarios and work fast!

ZandathePanda · 12/12/2017 16:58

Can you remember Moonlighting? It was the 'will they, won't they?' anticipation that hooked everyone. Once they got together it was never the same. As others have said, this thread would make such a lovely series! Perhaps on the radio so posters could all have different 'voices'. And we could all imagine dream of our own R.

MortalEnemy · 12/12/2017 19:53

OldPony, maybe I am bad juju... Sad

Zanda, back when Bruce Willis had hair and women wore shoulder pads! It’s extremely likely R and I will never get together either, so no worries there. (Can I just add that R has about 100% more hair than BW ever did....?)

Also, he’s had to bail on the offsite event, for impeccable, unignorable reasons, and is v apologetic and clearly afraid he’s leaving me in the lurch. But has offered to buy me dinner at a lovely restaurant on the overseas trip to make up for it. Swings and roundabouts. Grin

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Chiconbelge · 12/12/2017 20:05

Oo er ... he’s managed to acknowledge that you are both going on the overseas trip ... and that non-work socialising might take place ...

ZandathePanda · 12/12/2017 20:08

Oooo much better to have dinner for two!

NoSquirrels · 12/12/2017 20:08

He’s invited you to dinner (aka a date)! 100x more dangerous than coffee. This is exciting.

I know that you’re going to say “it’s a work trip, it’s not a date” etc but honestly... it’s a date. A safe, easy to offer without rejection worries, non-work date!

allaboutthatsass · 12/12/2017 20:28

squeee! it's a date! After all, you could eat separately but no, he wants to eat with you!

StealthNinjaMum · 12/12/2017 20:38

OMG! Finally a date! Presumably if you're abroad you won't be driving so you can drink?

Surely op you now realise he likes you more than as a work colleague.

MonaChopsis · 12/12/2017 20:40

Sounds like a date to me too... Am living vicariously through this thread, it's better than most rom coms!

MortalEnemy · 12/12/2017 20:44

As No said I would say — am I getting predictable to thread regulars? Grin — it’s not really a date. And that’s fine, actually.

But yes, frankly incredible from the man who regarded a cup of coffee with such trepidation not very long ago. My mind is slightly blown.

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CountFosco · 12/12/2017 20:49

Overseas dinner!!!!!! Take condoms lowers the tone

MortalEnemy · 12/12/2017 20:50

Stealth, we were going to get a quick bite before the offsite thing he can’t now make, so this is just him paying me back for not being able to help out. Entirely within the bounds of friendly collegial behaviour. Honest. Grin

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MeMeMeMe123 · 12/12/2017 21:00

Nope Mortal ...he could've just apologised and left it at that.
He's suggested a re-match which suggests to me he's testing the waters with YOU...he wants to gauge your interest...Flowers

NoSquirrels · 12/12/2017 21:07

What MeMe said. For most work apology purposes, you just say "Oh gawd, sorry I can't help - will definitely help out next time." You don't say "As I can't help out with this work thing, shall I buy you dinner instead."

It appears on the surface as if it's work - this is the brilliance of it - but it definitely is not. And your enthusiasm is vital in response.

Ah, Mortal, this is lovely.

allaboutthatsass · 12/12/2017 21:27

what did you respond to the offer of dinner Mortal?

If you haven't responded, make it clear you really look forward to it, you'd love to have dinner with him, where would he suggest etc

And yes, bring condoms, get yourself waxed etc lol

StealthNinjaMum · 12/12/2017 21:29

Wonder if he'll be packing condoms?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/12/2017 21:50

this is just him paying me back for not being able to help out. Entirely within the bounds of friendly collegial behaviour. Honest

Who are you trying to kid?? Grin

If you really insist, you could employ that useful "not-a-date"; it's been tried before, and for those who remember, look how that turned out Wink