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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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picklemepopcorn · 06/12/2017 08:59

It's definitely hat buying time...

OldPony · 06/12/2017 10:33

I think you should invite him to yours for Xmas day.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2017 12:20

You beat me to it, OldPony Wink

Mortal I believe you said you're spending Christmas in yours (and his) home country, but I'm just wondering ... what would the logistics look like if you did invite him to spend it with you?

EBearhug · 06/12/2017 12:50

A shared Christmas could be great. But if there's still any awkwardness or he's grieving (first Christmas since), it's all going to magnify things massively, and there might not be the option of going home early to make things a bit easier.

Also, you might want to leave out the bit about how you'll have to be inviting 5000+ MNers to the wedding. It could be a bit terrifying for him... Grin

Somerville · 06/12/2017 13:10

I have had rather a few messages calling me to this thread. Grin

I have no witchy powers about reading the minds of men I've never met. But some women are very good at it with men they know - do you not have a suitably placed colleague-pal who has an opinion on whether he's shy or just messing you around? (Sorry if this has already been addressed and I've missed it. I sped-read this in a rush.)

Personally, if he's shy then it might be worth being a bit more overt about how you feel. (I say that as the one who was shy, and very grateful my now second husband risked rejection to be overt.) But if it's that he's too hurt/damaged/confused due to previous relationship or other factors to be able to pursue a relationship beyond workplace semi-flirting then I think you should run far and fast; I don't think it's fair to play with other peoples emotions like that, and if he's trying to do so he doesn't deserve you. Flowers

OldPony · 06/12/2017 13:45

Ooh hello the famous Somerville!
So glad you've had a happy ever after.

Somerville · 06/12/2017 13:54

If happy ever after is recurring mastitis and sleep deprivation then yes, that's what I've had Grin

badbadhusky · 06/12/2017 13:57

The baby phase passes, Somerville, and there seems to be a sweet spot between infancy and the teens when your offspring bring unalloyed joy. Grin

ThisIsTheRightTime · 06/12/2017 14:17

Hello Somerville Smile I hope the mastitis clears up quickly.

Your advice was wonderful. Having been through (and only just out of) a case of the man I was besotted with being 'too hurt/damaged/confused' to be capable of a proper relationship despite an ever growing connection between us, I wish I could have read your wise words a while ago.

Fingers crossed for the very lovely Mortal and roll on Christmas Work Do! Smile

badbadhusky · 06/12/2017 16:00

I am probably more excited about Mortal’s work Christmas do than my own. Mind you, other people’s colleagues always seem more exotic than your own. Like they say, famiiarity breeds contempt. Smile

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2017 16:17

Waves to Somerville Smile

Good to have you here with your usual excellent advice ...

dizzy174 · 06/12/2017 17:47

Don't go. Don't go. Don't go three times, as in three times a lady

MortalEnemy · 06/12/2017 18:29

How nice to have Mn Relationships forum royalty appear as if by magic in the shape of Somerville, full of good sense and mastitis, the poor thing. (Fairytales would be more fabulous, rather than less, it seems to me if they acknowledged that the happy ever after also included agonising breasts and sleeplessness. Grin)

No, I'm by far his closest person at work now he's universally liked and respected, but there's no one else he's particularly close to. But no, I don't think he's messing me around, or playing the 'I'm too tormented and confused for a relationship, but am happy to play with your head, anyway' card which I think we've all seen happen at least once--. When we cleared up the misunderstanding about me leaving, which we did face to face when he called by the old office as I was just leaving last night, that he feels strongly about me became clear, even if it's not entirely clear at this point whether that is friendship or attraction. And I'm fine with that, actually, for now. Even in my soulless, distant new office. Sad

I couldn't invite him home for Christmas, even if I wanted to -- he's spending it with his daughters here, and even if he weren't, DD and I just squeeze ourselves into my childhood bedroom at my parents' tiny house, where there is zero space and privacy, and which is nowhere near his home region. But I will bring something back for him.

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MortalEnemy · 06/12/2017 18:49

PS. MnOverinvestor, I'm so sorry for your losses. I still have both parents, so haven't experienced that kind of bereavement, and it's good to have your take on the aftermath. He is very stoical, but I think it's hitting him only now. In unguarded moments when he doesn't know he's being looked at, I occasionally see an expression that is pure numb misery.

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KeziaOAP · 06/12/2017 19:12

Mortal you are so good for him being someone he can talk to. I lost my mother when she was 53, my father died 26 years later and it seemed to hit me much harder, suddenly realising I was an orphan.

Incidently I met my late-DH at work, sat in for his secretary when she was on holiday, apparently he asked my boss if he could borrow me Hmm, didn't know at the time that he had liked me from afar for quite awhile. He was backward in coming forward, was a few weeks later, when back at my normal post, that he approached me and asked me out.

Viewofhedges · 06/12/2017 21:56

“Don’t go.” That’s beautiful!

You are so good with words, can you give him a Christmas card that tells him how you will be thinking of him over Christmas, especially as you know it’ll be tough for him? Then he can re read that over the holiday when you’re not there.

If I were in his shoes I think I’d treasure that.

ferrier · 07/12/2017 00:35

even if it's not entirely clear at this point whether that is friendship or attraction

I honestly cannot believe that a man who writes "Don't go, don't go, don't go" is only interested in friendship. No-one would write that and be in the slightest doubt that it would be interpreted as attraction.
He is slowly but surely (well maybe a little hesitantly) laying his cards on the table. He still can't match what he writes with what he says but he will in time. Don't rush him. He will get there. Enjoy Smile

PetraStrorm · 07/12/2017 08:55

Ferrier is spot on. A bloke who was given to extravagant declarations of adoration towards his friends might (might) put that at the end of a message but I doubt even that. And Rumpled doesn't come across that way at all.

badbadhusky · 07/12/2017 12:21

It does strike me that Mortal and Rumpled are getting to the point where an undeniably awkward but honest conversation might help. You both clearly have a high level of regard for, and appreciation of, one another. It’s just missing the “are we on the same page” part of the puzzle. I get the impression that you are both professional, grown up and respectful enough to have that conversation and be able to move forwards even if it does turn out you feel differently about one another. Somehow, I have the feeling you both like one another A LOT but can’t quite work out what to do about it.

JustWonderingZ · 07/12/2017 13:04

Mortal, it’s plain as day Rumpled likes you. I don’t think we need any further evidence to that effect. Now, will he do something about it is an entirely different question. He seems to be making baby steps at present. Hopefully he will muster that courage and take the plunge. Be nice to him Xmas Wink

Waddlelikeapenguin · 07/12/2017 15:36

I've read the whole thread today remembered to feed the children & everything & I feel so happy to have reached "dont go" (x3!!!)

Have you held his hand? If you walk or sit beside him (not in the office) might the back of your hand bump his & see what happens? this may be how I got 2 boyfriends & my DH
Hoping the christmas party will bring joy.

MortalEnemy · 07/12/2017 18:18

might the back of your hand bump his & see what happens? this may be how I got 2 boyfriends & my DH

Is that a tried and tested technique? I'm taking notes here. Grin

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IHeartDodo · 07/12/2017 18:56

I'm thinking when you get back from Xmas you invite him for dinner with the lure of your national cuisine!
Eg if you're German : "oh I had such lovely German food at home over Xmas, makes me miss it. I'm going to cook schnitzel at the weekend, would you like to come round? “
Then you get him drunk, and either make a move, or initiate" the talk". If it goes badly you can blame the drink and still be friends!

bluescreen · 07/12/2017 21:06

Nooo! Please don't do the accidentally-on-purpose hand bump or get him drunk! That's taking advantage, and he's thinking about his father. Just take it easy and act normally and don't pressure him or use tricks. Just keep talking to him and enjoying his company. Bringing him a little something from back home sounds perfect.

But you've got the office do before then, and more chance to talk to each other, sitting close...

MortalEnemy · 07/12/2017 21:44

I was merely jesting, blue. Fear not, my libido is under control. Grin

I will be angelically restrained and a very good friend to R, who, furthermore, is also unlikely to be drinking at the work party or the offsite event, so unlikely to fall drunkenly prey to my clutches however happy it would make Mn. As well as all the other stuff, I am also simply very, very much in liking with this man.

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