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DH has just told me he's not sure he wants to stay married to me!

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shockedandsad · 01/04/2007 17:04

Sorry, have changed name here for the usual reasons.

Have had a tough couple of months at home for one reason or another. This afternoon dh has just told me that he's not sure he wants to stay married to me anymore. He can't give me much more information than that, he just feels like the two of us don't get on like we used to (he cites since dd was born) and he feels we might be better apart.

Although we have had a difficult time, I really haven't felt it's more than that, and that we'd get over it. He has scoffed at this. He says he doesn't know yet whether he wants to give us another try or not. Our sex life has not been good since dd was born, and now we are in a position to right this, he doesn't know if he wants to. He says he doesn't have any answers.

I am shocked, and sad, and don't know what to do. Also having bursts of great anger towards him. Now I'm meant to just sit back and wait for him to decide whether he will grace with the honour of giving it a go. If he doesn't want to, I don't know what I'll do. I love him and want to stay with him. We do have our ups and downs, like anyone, I thought, and I am so shocked that he feels this way. Can't stop crying and poor dd (3)is very concerned. Anyone been in this position?

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mylittlestar · 04/04/2007 14:20

He texted her to say YOU don't want him to contact her

She called to discuss

Then he said he'd have to hold off 'for now' WTF!

Ok...

He may be letting you call the shots as he loves you and is trying to do what's right.

Or... he may be letting you call the shots to give himself some breathing space and time to decide who and what he really wants.

I think the start of your discussion should be for him to explain why he doesn't want to take responsibility for anything in his life?
He won't take responsibility for what he's doing to you. Won't take responsibility for his marriage. And won't even take responsibility for ending a relationship that's causing major hurt, stress and upset to his WIFE. He uses you as the scape goat!

I'm sorry but this is a mirror image of how my dh was and it makes me so so angry. They need to grow up.
He's keeping his options open and hoping you'll make all the decisions and you'll ultimately take the blame/credit for whatever happens. Either way he doesn't really care. As long as he can only think of himself and life doesn't get too hard for him!

My second question to him, would be following on from reminding him of the commitment you both made by getting married, buying a home together and having a child... in light of those decisions that he made of his own free will..... "what are your plans and ideas on how we can now save our relationship and have a happy future together?"

He has to grow up and start taking some responsibility. If he doesn't you deserve better. (Easy for me to say I know.)

{{{{hugs}}}}}

(sorry for ranting - just so angry for you!)

lilybubble · 04/04/2007 15:47

walnutshell - you're spot on about the drinking. I mentioned earlier on in the thread that he has been going out bingeing a lot and also doing some drugs. This is not his usual behaviour, he would normally just have a couple of pints, he had grown out of all that, with the occasional big night thrown in for good measure. I think the drinking is his solution to his self-esteem issues and general 'crisis' I really think he is having. Now he's started work, and the boss took them all out the last 2 nights, as they're in Dublin. He's not out tonight (flying back, but staying with mate as starts in new office tomorrow morning - this has always been the plan). Then tomorrow out with best mate. I think he's drinking to try to deal with things, which is obviously not the answer. I think being back in a regular job will help to solve this though.

ifonlyhewould - thanks, that's a really encouraging thought. It had crossed my mind a while ago that he might be flattered by her, but I sort of lost track of that somehow. I think this is really likely, in the midst of the really hard time he, and we, have had. A bit of attention from a pretty girl would obviously go a long way. I like the thought of him wanting me to step in to reclaim him!

allysev - hmm, the responsibility word is a strange one to him. I have of course said this to him in the last few weeks when he's been behaving like a pratt. He says that he is being responsible as he is paying the mortgage and most of the bills himself. This is true, but not unexpected as we decided I'd give up my job to move. I saved hard before and have only just had to ask him for money, whilst still buying bits for the house, and all of us, which I think's good going! My dad seems to think this is not unusual thinking for a man - that they feel the mortgage is the lion's part of their 'duty' to the family (Weird of Dad to say that as he's not like that).

Peachy, I think it's more a cry for help to be honest. I know you probably think this is what I would rather believe of the two options, but I've felt for some time that he's felt troubled. I'm hoping things just got out of control and now he's back at work that will boost his self-esteem and pride back again.

Hi Tanee, thanks for posting. Sorry that you're in a similar position - Sunday not a good day for either of us then! I don't mean that I want to postpone seeing him, I really meant that I am nervous about it, but must not have expressed that very well, sorry. No, I agree we need to get together and talk. And again, what a lot of similarities there are here, with the men feeling useless. You're right, it's such a shame they don't talk. I'm sure that's what helps make women stronger. I have drawn a lot of strength from the amazing posts on here. It also helps to know you're not the only one going through it, and that others have managed it successfully. I will read your thread, probably a bit later on this evening

mylittlestar, how are you? Read your thread, but was quite at the latest suggestions!!! Not really sure I had anything to add to that

I know, I'm about him saying I didn't want him to contact her, very annoying, but somehow not surprising to me. And very at her calling to discuss.... To be fair, as he's in Dublin, his phone just says "Call" when it rings, so he doesn't know who it's going to be, and he was expecting me. But thinking about it does feel like he is getting a bit of a kick out of it.

Why do you think he doesn't care what happens either way? Don't you think he would have told me where to go when I asked him not to call Sarah if he wasn't interested? I actually thought he might. I just wrote a bit about responsibility. This is where I'm hoping the best mate will come in a bit, and kick him into touch.

Sigh. It's so tiring, just thinking about it all, all the time, wondering, guessing, hoping. I really don't want to beg him, but want to give it another try. In the next breath I am feeling that it's all too much effort and he should be trying to prove himself to me a bit by now.

Going back home tonight - Dad has offered to drive us back, and he and Mum will stay overnight, so that will be lovely. It's been so nice not to have been alone at all since it all happened. I'm very lucky with that, I know.

mylittlestar · 04/04/2007 15:55

Sorry lily I didn't mean to sound flippant saying he doesn't care. I think what I was trying to say, relating it back to my dh, is when he was at his lowest, couldn't see a future for us, was enjoying the attention from other women, out every night, wasn't sure he wanted to even try - I think at that point he truly didn't care either way what happened. He was in that much of a mess that whatever decision I made, whether to end things or whether to stick by him, he was ready to accept.

And looking back he says now he just would have accepted it at that point. He just couldn't see a way forward in any respect and sort of wanted me to make the decision for him. It took nearly losing me, for real, to make him care enough to take some responsibility back on himself!
And now he says he scares him that he was so close to losing me forever.

Your dh obviously cares. He's listening to you and trying in his own way to take the right steps. That's more than I could have dreamed of a few months ago.

I think you have everything to build on here and every chance of a good happy future together

Again sorry if that came out wrong

xx

lilybubble · 04/04/2007 16:05

It didn't come out wrong, don't worry, and didn't sound flippant. I was just interested to know why you thought that - I thought it would be because of the way your own dh had behaved, and I think that, again, mine probably is in the same place. I think Sunday night was probably that point, and he probably went to Sarah's to test himself. Whether or not he slept with her, or something else happened, is sort of not relevant in a way, because I know that things were different for him on Monday morning somehow. I can't tell until he's back on Thu night / Friday really, but I feel so much stronger for all this. It even helps to know he is in a pattern, that Sun was, hopefully, the lowest point for him, when it all seemed worthless, and now he can claw his way back.

Please don't apologise, I know you're in the same sort of position as me, just further along, so I really value anything you have to say about it! You're being a really good friend, the amount of time and effort you put into your posts, and I'm grateful. Once I'm home and sort out paying for the CAT feature, I'll drop you a line

mylittlestar · 04/04/2007 16:12

Ah so glad I didn't upset you. I was worried then.
I think you're right. I definitely saw a change once his lowest point was reached. And it looks like you can see that too.

Once they get to that point the only way is up!

Catch up soon xx

Ifonlyhewould · 04/04/2007 16:40

Won't you be joining us at the tattoo parlour then lilybubble

Hope you're bearing up ok. MLS is full of sound advice and an excellent example

Tanee58 · 04/04/2007 18:27

MLS 's dh sounds a bit like my dp - when they're down, they only see darkness ahead. Here we go again - the women of the world having to shoulder the burden of keeping our relationships on track through the bad times! And they'll thank us for it in the end, as we toddle down the road on our zimmerframes.

Is there a DadsNet we could direct them to? Then they might at least talk to each other and realise they're not the only individuals on the planet going through crises!

Right, I'm really going home now to see if mine is indoors and sober - and whatever, I'll start by giving him a big hug (he didn't want me to yesterday, but it was after I forced him into a hug that he began to listen to me and stop talking about splitting up!)

lilybubble · 05/04/2007 01:17

Am back home now, but things aren't good. After seeing another text to Sarah (on a different mobile number, as I guessed ) I called dh, and asked who he'd been texting. He said his mate from the office. So this made me mad and I called him a liar and said I knew it was Sarah. He didn't like that at all, and was not pleased. Asked again if he was having affair, he said no.

He got really angry and asked who the hell I was to tell him who he could and couldn't be friends with, I asked why he was lying so much about her, and why he agreed to not call her and then ignored it (so he probably never told her at all). Then, he said he'd said it to make me shut the fck up, and to get me off his fcking back. Nice. Then he said he'd go and see his mate tomorrow and see if anything he could say would persuade him to save his marriage, but otherwise he reckoned he'd had enough.

So, cue me very upset. Had a long chat with my wonderful dad. Stopped h's credit card that's in my name (which was over limit ) and decided that we would go back to my house to get more stuff and then come back to my parents. Have collected more clothes for me and dd, and more documents, just to be on the safe side.

Also, told mum and dad about the drug use, which they felt explained everything. Dad still thinks this is just a blip, and that h will get his act together. At the moment I am really not so sure. It feels so awful, and I just feel completely helpless. For the first time am not sure I want things to get right, I can't bear how hurtful he was to me.

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lilybubble · 05/04/2007 01:34

Thanks Jules. No we are still at my place - dh staying in london tonight, so it was easier than poor dad driving here and back in one night. It's about 50 mins each way and we didn't get here till 10pm.

Am exhausted but can't really face going to bed yet. Haven't even got a good book to read. How are you doing?

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mylittlestar · 05/04/2007 08:25

oh my god lily I'm so sorry to read this

how are you today?

xx

ernest · 05/04/2007 09:16

lily, really sorry to read how horrible he's being to you. His behaviour is breathtaking. Lucky you've got such a supportive M&D. How are you, apart from totally devatated?

LilyLoo · 05/04/2007 09:21

for you Lily. Think you need to spend this time at your parents thinking about whether you even want him. That was such a terrible thing to say i can't believe he is being so hurtful to you.

Ifonlyhewould · 05/04/2007 09:39

Thinking of you lily xx

lilybubble · 05/04/2007 09:49

Thanks all. I don't feel too bad this morning yet, anyway. Just packing some bits and then back down to parents this morning, then it's a waiting game - will have to see when he gets in touch! Maybe we should all place bets?!!

Hope you are all okay

Ifonlyhewould · 05/04/2007 10:00

I'm pleased you're feeling a bit better this morning lily. You just stay strong and don't let him 'play' you. This must be torture for you and you deserve far more respect than he is giving you. If he can't respect you then at least respect yourself. The waiting game is awful, waiting for him to get in touch. I wish you were strong enough to just turn off your phone and enjoy the easter break with your parents. To turn the tables on him. Make him sweat!! Make him wait until you are ready to talk.
But, i know in reality you will find that difficult, you will be longing to hear from him just so you can make some sense of all this.

I hope he comes to his senses soon xx

mylittlestar · 05/04/2007 10:10

Glad you're feeling better too.

How dare he tell you what he thinks you want to hear and then the minute he's found out and you confront him for lying he turns on you! WTF!

If it were me I'd ring the cow and tell her to stay the hell away from my husband.
(Well I texted actually! That's when I found out the truth as she got so angry at my message that she spilled the beans on everything to get me back!)

But anyway, that's just me and I'm sure that's not at all helpful.

I want to bash their heads together for you!

AllySev · 05/04/2007 13:52

Oh lilybubble you poor thing! Men can be such bastards! I hate to say it but this has so many similarities to what happened to me. After all this the big question has got to be can you ever trust him again? If he's prepared to lie so much and maintain a relationship with a woman knowing it's hurting you so much there must be more to it than just friends! He clearly has other mates - whats wrong with chatting to them?

lilybubble · 05/04/2007 14:09

I STILL don't really think that he is seeing this girl. He's said some pretty bad stuff, so why not have told me??! And I'm not in denial about it, it would be simpler if that were the case in a few ways as it would make things so much clearer. Not that I wish it was the case of course!!

Well he texted by 11am, just saying something about was it worth him coming back home tonight or should he leave it until tomorrow. I'm about to write back and just say something like 'I won't be at home so that's fine'. Then, again, will just wait to hear from him, I don't intend to call him. I don't want to play his sort of game by turning phone off really, just because I don't want him holding anything like that against me. Not sure I'll answer if he calls, but don't want him thinking I'm ignoring.

Am just feeling so sad today. How could he do this to his wonderful dd? She hero-worships him. He still hasn't even asked after her this week

Ifonlyhewould · 05/04/2007 14:14

Just had the most horrible thought lilybubble.

When i was married my ex (who was a pig most of the time) would be an extra big pig some of the time, in order to get a reaction out of me which, in turn would give him an excuse to go off and do something he shouldn't be doing. Of course, because i had reacted he would turn round and blame me.

I don't know what your DH is up to, it's a horrible strange game he is playing but i hope he isn't going to hold you responsible for his behaviour.

mylittlestar · 05/04/2007 14:26

I'd reply and say he should come home when he thinks it is the right time. And by the way, your daughter is fine.
Wouldn't do him any harm to go home this evening and find that you're not there. A night in on his own would do no harm at all.

Why does he keep asking you to make the decisions for him. That's so annoying. My dh does this too. 'Shall I come round later'... how about I'd love to come round and see you later and perhaps we could have tea, chat, have a drink, whatever! Why can't they think for themselves!!

Sorry. Deep breath MLS!!

lilybubble · 05/04/2007 14:36

God, I don't know what to reply to him. Dad says I shouldn't be nice, but be honourable (and tell him I won't be there). His suggestion is "Didn't think you'd be home tonight so have arranged to be away". Does that sound good??

IOHW - Yes, that's a thought....

MLS, yes, a very annoying habit in men I agree!!