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Infidelity support thread for the betrayed party

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ppandj · 25/08/2017 16:47

I recently found out about my partner's affair, which occurred while I was pregnant and had a newborn (plus a toddler). My partner's behaviour was vile to me for a long time (turns out it was part of the guilt of the affair) and I had been considering ending our relationship anyway. Then I found out about the infidelity and our world has come crashing down, we are both devastated and my partner has had a wake up call- all the illusion of his affair has been shattered and he realises what he jeopardised when he made those choices. I have not yet decided what to do long term; whether we stay together depends largely on him and whether he can have a good look at himself and learn his lessons, but also I need to build my self-esteem and think about what I actually want.

Since I found out I have been on MN (more than usual Wink) and have read some old threads where the betrayed spouses were supporting eachother. I have also seen that there are many coping with this shitty experience currently posting. So I thought maybe we can have a thread to know that we aren't alone.

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yetmorecrap · 03/03/2018 21:07

And you are correct

Alfiemoon1 · 04/03/2018 20:16

Just totally shattered at the moment with Work running round after the kids dd who is doing her a levels now has a part time job and is doing ncs a bit like duke of Edinburgh so I am running round like a blue arse fly. Dh has seemed off or distant the last few days maybe he is keeping his distance as he knows I am tired he was off last night I told as did dd she was working today I took her at stupid o clock this morning he was going to pick her up and take her to do the horse. Asked him at 4.15 If he was going to pick her up he thought she was at ncs and was getting a lift home pfft just generally naffed off with life. I went to bed last night before him he briefly went on WhatsApp same again today when I took ds to golf lesson don’t think he’s chatting to her as despite her being permanently on it the timings don’t match so could be anyone just seems odd it’s never when I am around I could of course be reading to much into this

Alfiemoon1 · 04/03/2018 20:39

We’ve had our ups and downs got together when I was young my mother didn’t approve then issues with his 2 sister in laws not liking me 2 brothers married 2 sisters I was never going to fit i always thought he should of stuck up for me more but he’s so easy going they have both sadly died now so things are a lot easier. He chose ridiculous hours at work yes more money so when the kids were younger I basically brought them up on my own. I work part time so juggled the kids housework and finances. I have probably turned a blind eye to things I shouldn’t but we were a team Alfie and mr Alfie against the world no he hasn’t been a saint but I have always felt secure and loved despite him being a prat at times and not the most romantic bloke. Now I am suspicious of everything he does or says it’s so difficult we should be starting to enjoy us time again now the kids are older

Fionne · 06/03/2018 15:07

Hi Alfie, Smile

Dh has seemed off or distant the last few days maybe he is keeping his distance as he knows I am tired

Or perhaps he's using emotional blackmail to unsettle you and get you to toe the line.

We’ve had our ups and downs got together when I was young

Its obvious you got together when you were young, during your formative years. Its blinded you to your reality. Its very common.

my mother didn’t approve

Maybe for good reasons she could see but you couldnt.

issues with his 2 sister in laws not liking me 2 brothers married 2 sisters I was never going to fit in

That must have been hard Alfie, to be up against it like that.

i always thought he should of stuck up for me more but he’s so easy going

Your making excuses for someone who lets you down an awful lot.

they have both sadly died now so things are a lot easier

Thats awful. That things were so bad it only got easier when they died. You're husbands a disgrace.

He chose ridiculous hours at work yes more money so when the kids were younger I basically brought them up on my own

I understand people working long hours and shifts in order to take home more but there are also people who chose to work shifts so they have excuses for being away from the reality of family life and all that goes with it. It can be very much a case of oh nothing can be expected of him - look at the hours he works. But I would put money on there always being time for him to do what he wants to do (and not do) when he's not working.

I work part time so juggled the kids housework and finances

Yes, I can believe you did. And I bet you made a great job of it.

I have probably turned a blind eye to things I shouldn’t but we were a team Alfie and mr Alfie against the world

And thats it in a nutshell' Alfie - Mr and Mrs Alfie against the world.

But the reality is that being against the world is a romantic notion generally used as a compensation for being in a bad situation. Look at all the movies we see where the female lead roll in treated appallingly and the male lead looks at her after thumping her or being caught up to know good and says - its you and me doll, Its you and me against the world. The two minutes later he's skipping down the stairs rubbing his hands together.

Its us against the world???? Nope, its just other words for papering over the cracks. And I imagine you'd really lose face if you were to separate after all these years after the situation with your mum and your SIL's. I mean who would want people to say - ah well her mum warned her, and her SIL's got what they wanted even if its from beyond the grave.

no he hasn’t been a saint but I have always felt secure and loved despite him being a prat at times and not the most romantic bloke.

That in itself is not healthy Alfie. That you would feel secure and loved in what has been, and is, a pretty dire situation if what you've written is anything to go by. Again, it displays how you are very confused about what is healthy and what isn't.

Now I am suspicious of everything he does or says it’s so difficult we should be starting to enjoy us time again now the kids are older

You should be suspicious. But you should be more bothered about the fact that just as he let you down with your SIL's he's letting you down with the OW. Can you see the pattern?

Enjoying your time together as you get older? I don't think he wants what you want. You've had a really hard time and you can't be blamed for thinking oh, it will get better and we'll get our happy ending. But unfortunately I think your husband doesn't want or need from a marriage what you do and if you stay together he'll get his happy ending at the expense of your mental/emotional/physical health because trust me when I tell you that the way you've lived this last 18 months or so in particular will take its toll on you. You'll be driven mad, and you'll either become more of a 'mad bitch' than you are now, or you'll shrivel up and die inside and become like a shadow. You'll also be in line for lots of physical ill health.

Alfie, please go off on your own and have counselling just for you. Flowers

Alfiemoon1 · 06/03/2018 22:44

Once again such wise words fionne that although painful to read are correct. I know I need counselling I will book that. I am in a mess and yes quite possibly mental at the moment and I am drinking to much and not eating enough i was tiny to start with but ate loads but am really struggling to eat despite being hungry ?? I am really struggling to cope at the moment was off work today and went back to bed after the kids went to school which I never do but was a combination of a hangover and low mood. I need to sort myself out as I seem to be on self destruct mode

Fionne · 07/03/2018 04:09

Alfie, you poor wee thing. Im sorry its so hard right now.

I think there are very few of us who've not drank more than our usual when going through this. I know I did. In fact I went from being almost T-total to having a couple of drinks before bed every night to help get some sleep and numb the pain I was in. Its really not good for us. Especially when its binge drinking. Could you maybe measure out your recommended weekly allowance of alcohol, its about 1000ml, and space it out over the week. Then once its gone its gone, even if it means you do have it over 2 nights.

Not eating - thats not good Alfie, but you know that and hopefully you can manage something nice today. Do you dish up a big plateful for yourself and then be put off by the look of it? Or can you just not even think of food? Could you maybe dish up a small amount on side plate, something with a gravy to help it down?

Your low mood - I think you need to see the Dr to see if you are depressed. You could also ask about counselling. But Alfie I wouldn't tell my husband if I were you. Id not tell him because he'll use it against you and say youre mad, you'd be playing right into his hands. And if you told him to try and get some sympathy or worry him into cutting off the OW - it wont happen. You'll end up feeling even worse.

Your counselling - I was going to suggest that you see someone and not tell anyone because whilst there will be people who are happy for you, there will be others who'll try and sabotage it because they won't you to benefit from it.

Is it something you could consider going about quietly? Just quietly rebuild yourself then see where it takes you. It will be hard to go through whats happening now, and to go through counselling but a good counsellor will help you to deal with the 'now' and with counselling at the same time.

I got married at 18 Alfie. I understand a lot of how you think. Jeez. I even had the problem SIL's but in my situation my husband walked away from them for 9 years and my SIL is now my best friend in the world. I love her very much. Its awful that you only got peace when your SIL's died.

Try and get an appt to see the Dr Alfie. You wont regret it. x

Alfiemoon1 · 07/03/2018 22:06

Thank u fionne I am already on sertraline i have been much brighter today I don’t even know if it’s dh causing my low moods as we are being ok with each other. I just seem to be having a crap time lately pretty much every electrical appliance has gone over the last 6 months my car cost a fortune to repair dh much newer car then failed it mot. My sister owes me money but is off getting her hair done knowing I’ve has loads of extra bills my mother can be difficult. I am knackered with the extra running round now dd has a part time job and doing ncs. So basically everything seems to be pissing me off. One very good friend is having problems with her ds and partner and is confiding in me and another friend whose on off boyfriend father to her son who has already been in court for domestic violence against her when she was pregnant is claiming her current injuries are because she fell down the stairs. I want to be a good mum daughter sister and friend but it’s exhausting at times when I have my own shit going on. On the bright side dh hasn’t been in contact with her and I am off work tomorrow getting my hair done finally and we have booked a big family meal for mother’s day so that’s something to look forward to

Screaminginsideme · 08/03/2018 19:15

Not having a good evening. Just booked another session with the counsellor. Feel a row coming on tonight.

Fionne · 08/03/2018 19:41

Alfie, Screaming, I just wanted to acknowledge your posts and give you both a wee squeeze. I’m sorry times are so hard. It’s absolute shite. Every bit of it.

I’m away with my girls for the weekend so time isn’t on my side but I am thinking of you. Xxx

Screaminginsideme · 08/03/2018 21:19

Well the row wasn’t a row. I told him how I’d been feeling, he listened, acknowledge and apologised. I think we’ll be ok it’s just fucking hard work

Alfiemoon1 · 08/03/2018 21:56

In tears trip to the hairdressers different colour and a new style came home to him clipping the dog and he offered to do mine. That’s his usual banter so no problem. Woke him up tonight said although I am unsure of my hair have had a few compliments he replies that’s nice. Would it kill him to say yes it’s nice or are compliments only saved for her ? My self esteem is at an all time low at the moment because of him and his behaviour. I rarely spend money on myself put everyone else first if a regular customer at work had a new hair do even if it was hideous I would be polite and comment. Sorry but I am just tired of being everything to everyone and getting no appreciation

yetmorecrap · 08/03/2018 22:39

I think Alfie you are generally very peed off with being everything to everyone and hence focussing more on DHs stupid behaviour. I totally get how you feel. You know what, detach!! And start putting yourself first,

ConstantStruggler · 08/03/2018 22:58

@Alfie. I'm truly sorry you're feeling so low. It will get better. Honestly.
I think the most important lesson I've learnt over the past year is to put myself first, like yetmore said; and that actually there's nothing wrong with. I think the difficult part about this is that you will have to take your own route to finding this. You'll have many well wishers on the way with good advice etc. But actually. You have to figure things out for yourself. Find the things you like. Do stuff because you want to.

Fionne · 09/03/2018 02:20

Yetmore, it’s interesting you mention ‘detach’. In your opinion is it something a person decides to do and then does it, or is it something that happens along the way when a person is putting themselves back together again?

I often think about this on a person level. People would suggest I detached but I’d stand there and think how the hell can I when it’s all running straight through the middle of me like the letters in a stick of Blackpool rock? Then one day I realised I had detached but I’ve no idea what came first and it’s something I often think about whilst looking back.

Fionne · 09/03/2018 03:30

Alfie I have to admit what your husband said is the kind of thing we all say to each other. So for eg I’m away with my daughters and last night one said, I’m sure I’m about an inch shorter at night than I am in the morning and her sister replied yeah it’s your big bum, it obviously weighs you down an inch a day.

My daughters are very different. One is very tall and the other is very short. In fact the short one is like one of Gullivers little people compared to the rest of us. She’s our munchkin. Anyway she was talking about getting a new little black dress and her sister said, don’t you mean a new very little, little black dress? Then the wee one said in reply, mama she’s suggesting that because your overweight that you’d need a very big little black dress.

It was a really good laugh and its a big part of our humour. But I can remember the time I was away with my husband and I had a complete makeover done. It lasted 2 days. One day it was lots of new clothes with a stylist and the next hair and makeup. I went back to the hotel that night all excited to show myself off so to speak and when I stood in front of him and did a twirl he barely looked up from his newspaper. It was soul destroying even without anything being said and I can imagine you must feel bloody awful.

I’m hoping you feel a bit better today and it helps you that Constant, Yetmorecrap and myself are all saying the same thing. It really is time to think of yourself Alfie.

Ps - What’s your new hair do like?

Alfiemoon1 · 09/03/2018 16:06

I know I shouldn’t of got upset it is a typical dh comment. I need to sort myself out as I started another row about everything last night and was really horrible to him again. I just can’t seem to help it. It’s me that ruining everything it’s as if we have a good few days or weeks then I push him away again by bringing it up and being horrible. I feel horrendously insecure at the moment

Screaminginsideme · 09/03/2018 18:08

You are bringing it up because it hadn’t been resolved. Isn’t he still denying that he did anything wrong?
It can never be resolved if it isn’t acknowledged by both sides as an issue.

Alfiemoon1 · 09/03/2018 18:27

Yes he refuses to admit he has done anything wrong and refuses to even try and understand my feelings. But we go from getting on then randomly out the blue I start it all up again. I don’t know if subconsciously I push him away as I don’t want to be hurt again.

Fionne · 09/03/2018 18:34

I know I shouldn’t of got upset it is a typical dh comment

Alfie no one said that. I had hoped it was pretty clear that no one would blame you for being upset about it under the circumstances.

And the reason there’s a distinct pattern to your good days (that aren’t actually real) being followed by rows is because nothing is resolved. It’s all there by bubbling away under the surface and you can only keep it at bay for a few days before it has to come out.

When will it stop? Well that’s simple. It’ll change when you change the way you’re dealing with it. Snd you have to change it because the path you’re on it’s working for you.

Are you to blame for the fights etc. No. Absolutely not. That’s all down to your husband. He’s the one who’s brought the third person into your marriage.

Fionne · 09/03/2018 18:39

Alfie, I’m not suggesting you’re insane but this quote from Einstein pretty much sums things up

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Fionne · 09/03/2018 18:40

Sorry - no one really knows if Einstein said it but whether he did or not it’s very true.

Alfiemoon1 · 09/03/2018 21:03

Before all this I wouldn’t of been upset by his comment on my hair it’s typical of him. Maybe I am doing the pick me dance I don’t know. I feel like I need compliments and affection not just when he wants sex. Which to be honest Is not him and never has been but I feel so insecure at the moment

Alfiemoon1 · 09/03/2018 21:04

I feel insane at the moment fionne lol

Alfiemoon1 · 09/03/2018 21:14

Think I am also having a midlife/ identity crisis whenever I buy new clothes dd punches them an I am thinking maybe we shouldn’t have the same taste in clothes she’s 16 I am 40 just because I am tiny and can fit in them doesn’t mean I should wear them lol. I am just all over the place at the moment my mum can be very difficult and judgemental I feel my sister takes the piss out of me I lend her money and she’s off out and treating herself to the hairdressers saying she can’t afford to pay me back. I run round after the kids all the time I am just weary of if all I want someone to think of me or do something nice for me for a change.

Alfiemoon1 · 09/03/2018 21:35

It was his friendship with v that started all this but when I snooped on his phone I found liking porn on his Twitter account that he has dc and their friends following so they can see it. No I don’t have an issue with him viewing porn. He denied it. His browser history showed live web cams he denied it but could be pop ups if he’s watching porn no payment have come out the bank. There was a 2 year old message from a woman I thought was a lesbian asking him to go for a drink between them he replied he would love to but it’s difficult getting out so he would get back to her. He never did but he never told me either neither did he reply I am married and I don’t think my wife would approve. Add on to all this the recent things with v that he will still contact her even if I divorce him. ( they haven’t been in contact) and because of me he’s lost a good friend. I feel he’s been actively looking elsewhere and that he’s only here as it’s a comfortable life. I want him to prove to me that isn’t the case so if I get a new hair do or look nice I want him to tell me to reassure me

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