It was all going so well until he said he voted Leave.

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I am sure conflicting politics is a common problem. Shudder. For someone to vote for such a destructive step as flippantly as he said: "just to see what happens" concerns me somewhat.

Aside from that he is very nice. How does one decide whether to take things forward? I guess time will tell? But then.... isnt it more difficult to extract yourself when you are more physically and emotionally entangled.

Oh dear, I don't know what to do. Only had relationship with ex (long term marriage ) & flings. Not sure how things work.

I do like him. But... he voted Leave. And doesnt read. And has lived in thr same place with his family all 4 decades of his live. I read (or did before kids!) & have travelled a bit..... are we compatible?

Oh dear - I sound like I am looking down on his experiences but I guess they are just different ...

Eek

The underlying problem is xenophobia and the refusal to acknowledge any responsibility in the current problems

Yep millions of people are xenophobic...

The idea that a less qualified doctor, or even one that spoke poor English, would have a better claim to a training post simply by virtue of their EU passport, gave DH a terminal case of cynicism in relation to the EU.

Could you explain that a bit more please, about the better claim to a training post? Did he feel the same resentment towards English doctors because they had an EU passport?

Sorry, just one more question as well. You said your husband voted in the referendum but also received letters threating to kick him out of the country. I assume this was many years ago or how would he also have the right to vote? Not sure who was allowed to vote, I know in didn't include most EU nationals regardless of how long they'd been here. You say your husband now has ILtoR I guess that entities him to vote?

I'm going to guess that the op oozes superiority and judgement, hence the vague reasons presented by her date. I've told similar people that I voted in a particular way because my husband told me to 😈 Knowing it would enrage them, at the same time as avoiding having to defend myself to someone who has no interest in your views apart from to shit all over them.

It is true that free movement gives EU nationals more rights in the UK than non-EU nationals, and vice versa. So for now UK nationals have far more rights to live and work in Europe than Australians do. That's partly what trade deals are for. When the UK negotiates its own deals those countries will definitely seek greater rights for their nationals to live and work here on the basis of nationality, not merit alone. This is India's main aim in negotiating on trade with the EU, and will be with the UK. That applies likewise to products: the UK will ask the Indians to treat Scotch whisky better than they treat anyone else's whisky.

Whether you think the deal we had with the EU was the right one will depend on your priorities. As a rural fruit picker you probably wouldn't but again there's never been a time when fruit pickers were well paid so if you were honest with yourself you probably wouldn't blame eastern Europeans entirely.

Xenophobia has transferred to EU nationals when we know very well that it was about people from India, Africa etc. Leaving the EU won't change anything regarding racists' sentiments towards others. Self delusion.

NameChanger22

You ignore the areas where work gangs have come over from Europe and reduced the amount of low paid seasonal local work that people in various areas used to do to get paid.

I now await the name calling of racist for stating unpleasant facts.

Plenty of jobs available now in seasonal fruit picking. Funnily enough, not many original, native, this-our-land born people are flocking for them.

Possibly the £2:50 an hour is a bit of a sticking point with the 'natives'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fruit-pickers-the-money-we-earn-is-not-worth-getting-out-of-bed-for-1740216.html

More logic linking.....?

Plenty of jobs available now in seasonal fruit picking.

Wouldn't know, I do know that this area and general harvesting, was overtaken by European work gangs.

Funnily enough, not many original, native, this-our-land born people are flocking for them.

Its back breaking low paid work (used to be ok pay but there where enforced wage levels). Where I grew up it was your first real job, even down to the schools having to send out the minibus to raid the fields and bring us back to school.

'Gangs' is a bit demeaning, even if factually correct for 'group of people'. But perhaps for another thread.

Is this serious or just click bait in jest?

I terms of employment isn't the EU free movement thing a bit racist? It means that we must openly accept any (most likely white European) worker regardless of talent freely in. How ever anyone from outside the EU has to jump through all the loops to try and get employment in the UK. Thus we give privilege to Europeans and discriminate against other people. This also see' s us selecting people not on their individual merit and skill but rather there passport. Without a free movement agreement we could pick who comes to this country by merit not by the sole viture that they happen to have an EU passport.

I thought most leavers don't really care about fairness and merit but about 'Britishness'. Suddenly it's all love thy neighbour on these threads. Amazing.

Anyhow, this isn't going to change anyone's mind.

OP, have you decided?

Oh theyre deadly serious 1dad2kids. So far, its 'proven' lower intelligence, 'proven' racists, suggested personal hygiene issues, and now weve moved onto, lazy 'this our land' natives who cant be arsed working fruit picking, leavers.

But dont worry picking up late, there'll be another thread along any minute, to repeat the same message. Nothing new, nothing original, been going on for years now. The concept of controlled migration, or supremacy in law, is utterly irrelevant.

Carolinesbeanies same old roundabout then?

LadyWithLapdog I voted remain. Doesn't mean I can't look at things from different angles. I like to ask question, to see the perpective from a wide range of voices. I like to keep an open mind not nail myself to partisan politics. We live more and more in a world where people are polorised to a political side and become so relient on the news feeds and social media that cater for their own political affiliation. For many the World is becoming very blinkered by our own consent. We are too lazy to seek alternative information sources, we like it all handed to us on a plate, bite size and in the correct flavour. Something I experienced throughout the Brexit campaign equally on both side. But nice of you to assume how I voted, but the World is not black and white.

1DAD2KIDS - you suggest that the EU is racist?

An employer in any EU country is allowed to employ any citizen of any EU country, but they are not obliged to do so.

What is racist about that?

I expect 1dad bizarrely thinks all trade blocs and trade agreements are racist.

Carolinesbeanies. You keep going back to the personal hygiene thing. As I've pointed out, it was an analogy. I said that for me having a relationship with a Brexiter would be like having a relationship with someone who doesn't clean their teeth (i.e. unbearable, unpleasant), short lived).

To be clear, that isn't the same as saying that Brexiters don't clean their teeth. I'm sure that you Brexit types are very clean, on the whole. I hope that has put your mind at rest!

1D2K - if it doesn't apply to you, ignore and move on. Brexiters can make their own case (except when too often they can't). I'm leaving the thread now as I'm busy and these discussions are always annoying.

LadyWithLapdog
'Gangs' is a bit demeaning, even if factually correct for 'group of people'.

I am really not sure why you bothered to post this.
It is what they are called.