It was all going so well until he said he voted Leave.

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I am sure conflicting politics is a common problem. Shudder. For someone to vote for such a destructive step as flippantly as he said: "just to see what happens" concerns me somewhat.

Aside from that he is very nice. How does one decide whether to take things forward? I guess time will tell? But then.... isnt it more difficult to extract yourself when you are more physically and emotionally entangled.

Oh dear, I don't know what to do. Only had relationship with ex (long term marriage ) & flings. Not sure how things work.

I do like him. But... he voted Leave. And doesnt read. And has lived in thr same place with his family all 4 decades of his live. I read (or did before kids!) & have travelled a bit..... are we compatible?

Oh dear - I sound like I am looking down on his experiences but I guess they are just different ...

Eek

BrandNewHouse

of course it could get worse.

But you still don't see. People are living out of food banks living in actual poverty.

Absolutely a deal breaker for me. No Leave voters, no Tories. Space for us all in the 21st century but I need to be in a relationship with someone who's political and broader mirror mine.

People are living out of food banks living in actual poverty.

You think people visit food banks because of the EU?

If people who voted leave end up poorer they have brought it on themselves. My sympathy is reserved entirely for those that didn't vote for this. The events of the last year or so and racism that my family and friends have been subjected to as a direct result of this vote has hardened me to a huge extent. People who voted for this deserve everything they get as a result.

Anyone under the impression that op wanted to create the mother of all bunfights

Lelly let's take Ghana for example. Under the commonwealth we bought their bananas and sugar. Now that we're subject to the trade embargoes of the EU they can sell bananas "fair trade" (a bit patronising as we put them in that position) and we buy sugar beet from France at a much higher cost.

Jamaica is in a similar predicament. We left commonwealth counties high and dry in terms of trade.

France and Germany are the winners of the EU. Look at the state Greece is in. One size fits all fiscal policy doesn't fit all and neither do trade embargoes.

Maybe he said "just to see what happens"because he didn't want to get into an argument.
You sound superior and judgemental .

"Why would anyone assume that a government wouldn't dismantle the Welfare State and bring the division of wealth more like that of the USA?"

Because we get to vote our governments in and out. We get to choose what future direction our country goes in. Every 5 years. (This democracy thing is really pickling some posters brains)

Youre mistaking the 'democracy' as demonstrated by the EU. The Commission, who decide the vast majority of policy and regulations, whose members swear an oath to NOT act in their home nations interests, but to act in the interest of the bloc instead. Very few Commission decisions go before the Parliament anyway (but if they did, theyre greeted by the UKs UKIP representation , ) and not one decision is put to EU citizens.

Theres democracy, then theres the EU. Read Lisbon. Its enlightening.

Anyone under the impression that op wanted to create the mother of all bunfights

Yep.

People who voted for this deserve everything they get as a result.

Nice and I say that as some who's family also has been subjected to racism and one incident a violent attack.

Carolinesbeanies the vast majority of EU legislation is made by the ordinary legislative procedure, which requires the consent of both the European Parliament (comprising directly elected MEPs) and in the Council of Ministers (ministers from member state governments). The Commission initiates a lot, but its overarching work programme is set by the European Council (again representing member states). The EU is about as democratic as it could be while still remaining manageable given that it involves 28 countries making decisions together. And its powers are limited - it does not set income tax rates, stop governments redistributing wealth, stop them protecting poor people or govern what money we put into the NHS.

DirtyMartiniWithAnOlive as it happens Jamaica , Ghana and many other developing countries get reduced-tariff access to the EU market anyway through trade agreements that they have negotiated with the EU. The worst thing the EU does for farmers in these and other countries is to pay subsidies to its own farmers which makes their farmers uncompetitive. This is exactly what Mr Gove has just promised to do here in the UK for many years to come.

fakenamefornow

You think people visit food banks because of the EU?

I think people visit food banks because they can't afford to eat. but that isn't the question that you wanted to ask.

People can't afford to eat because of inequality which is being made worse every day by a Tory government and their policies. It has very little to do with the EU.

When we leave there will definitely be less money to mismanage by the Tories and the poorest are already blamed for brexit so they will be the ones punished for it. People voted for brexit knowing there would be less money to go around. I think some of them wanted the poorest to suffer more.

The poorest people I know all voted to remain. None of them were stupid enough make life harder for themselves. Where I live it was the middle incomers that voted leave. I know that runs contrary to the view being pushed that the poor are to blame. Most inner cities voted to remain.

The stats show that the biggest indicator for voting leave was age - older - and education - less.

Blaming the poor for voting leave is daft - I haven't heard that as much as those who pretend the vote was class struggle (led by multimillionaires) Now that's really dumb.

Most inner cities voted to remain.

That varies from area to area. It wasn't the case in the cities around here.

Did he vote leave because he is a racist ? Or did he vote leave cause he simply didn't know what to do ? Or did he vote leave simply because he is sick and tired of non elected Eurocrats making decisions on our behalf ? I too am a brexiteer, a highly educated child of immigrant parents. So tired of people waxing lyrical about how uneducated racists voted out, what a load of misinformed s@@@t. Does he have girth ? Does he love you ? If he does clip on who cares about brexit ...it will all work it self out in the end.

Op told us why he voted leave in the op.

Dogfish, youre fundamentally incorrect about how the EU Commission, Council and Parliament works, as is your list of 'limited' powers. Yes it does set tax, yes it does stop governments redistributing wealth, yes it does oversee how governments can 'spend' and on what.

The issues clearly in this thread however, are the 'logical' conclusions that persist from the remain camp. The 'logical' conclusion the OP was wishing to highlight. Its the same logical conclusions that is now dividing the US. If you dont agree with pulling down a confederate statue, you then by default support slavery and are racist. Its very effective at shutting up the majority voice, as the ridiculous link has been made. All Ive got from this thread is another label to hang from my hat of shame, my personal hygiene is clearly as disgusting as someone who never cleans their teeth. Urgh, what a disgusting lot those leavers are.

I seem to recall, disgusting and utterly unfounded comments about a group of peoples intelligence, moral compass, personal hygiene, etc has been used before in history.......

MotherofSausage I agree that anyone who knows anything about the EU will find something annoying. I've never yet met a a starry-eyed remainer but perhaps some exist. I've met far more leavers for whom the EU can never do anything right and who blame it for too many of the UK's problems.

And in many cases as you say it's the UK's interpretation of EU rules they have a problem with, not the rules themselves. Any interpretation that holds that an NHS doctor or nurse doesn't need to speak good English is obviously daft. Whoever in the NHS took that view was idiotic, but that's squarely the UK's fault. Being a smart guy, your DH should have realised that.

His situation sounds unusual in that he has been here for many years and obviously has a skilled job but not permanent residency. I don't know who in the NHS threatened to send him home but I suspect they were bang out of order.

Ultimately the EU involves giving up some control of the way we the UK behave in return for gaining some control of the way the rest of Europe behaves towards us. If your horizons are very much focused here then I can see why you'd vote leave. You're less likely to care whether British people or businesses have legal protection against discrimination in the rest of Europe. If you look to a wider horizon and dream of living and working more freely across the continent with all that offers, not so much.

I've never yet met a a starry-eyed remainer but perhaps some exist

Yes they do. I campaigned with some of them.

Op it would be a deal breaker for me. The underlying problem is xenophobia and the refusal to acknowledge any responsibility in the current problems, instead scapegoating the EU and foreigners. The current system refuses any social responsibility towards disable and poor people, the ultimate outcome for these populations is dying on the streets being called druggies by passers by and blamed for their situation. We all worked hard to achieve a fairer society and EU is part of this.

Carolinesbeanies. You are either lying about my post or you misread it. I did not say that Brexiters don't clean their teeth.

As for saying that people who don't want confederate statues pulled down aren't racist. I very much doubt that's true and I don't think you really believe it either.

Carolinesbeanies the EU has some control over VAT rates but not income tax rates which vary a lot amongst member states. The UK could have a top income tax rate of 80%, renationalised industries and working tax credits if it wanted to, and the EU couldn't & wouldn't stop us. I simply don't see any basis for what you say.