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AIBU to think my husband loves his job more than us?

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HappyMum4 · 13/08/2017 08:57

Basically, DH has had this job for the last 5 nearly 6 years now, where he travels quite a bit, leaves early, back late, that kind of thing, sometimes weekends, his mobile never stops, and he never seems to be able to stop answering it or checking emails, which he even checks and replies to when he goes to the loo which I find repulsive. He goes abroad a few times a year, sometimes overnight, sometimes 5 days, sometimes longer. He has become significantly more "into" his job, and spends the majority of his time doing it, even when I think he should be giving us his time, it seems to be all he can think about, even to the point where he forgets things that mean a lot to us, his family - when the children have exams, he forgets to ask how they went, forgets names of their friends, forgets what they're doing and when, forgets when school finishes, or after school clubs which have been on the same night for many months, he forgets birthdays, Valentine's, Mother's Day, and now I discover he's forgotten our wedding anniversary which we had planned to celebrate, and he's booked a works event for that evening, he'll be back about midnight. He's away currently for 5 days, flew to the US, for a big sales event, at a huge luxury hotel, could have taken us but claimed it would have cost too much. He couldn't wait to go. And it's clear from the few conversations we've had he's having a ball. No sooner does he fly back from there, three days later he's away again, overnight, on a "team building" go karting-with-the-boys exercise, with a couple of meetings thrown in.
And it's things like he seems to come to life with work, especially when he's away, he just seems so happy and having such a good time, and when he's with us he's a grumpy bastard, total shitbag sometimes, shouts at us, a couple of weeks ago he lied to me about something, which I found out and approached him about, apologies profusely then the next day yells at me and says it's my fault he lied as I make such a fuss.
I'm thinking work means more to him than we do, but he says I'm not understanding, that he is spinning plates and can't remember everything and it's important to remember stuff re his job coz he doesn't want to lose it, says that I should be happy he's having a good time with his colleagues and if I went out with friends he would want me to have a good time. I gave up my job to raise the children and we've moved around so much because of his job, I don't have many friends. Am I being unfair and unreasonable like he says?

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Putyourhandsintheair · 20/08/2017 18:28

Stick with your plans. Enjoy doing something for you and the children.

inlectorecumbit · 20/08/2017 18:29

Jesus no OP carry on with your own plans (sounds Ace)
He thinks you should be grateful that he has managed to squeeze you in for a lunch between his activities and you should be grateful.

Fuck that...

Putyourhandsintheair · 20/08/2017 18:29

Sorry- posted too soon.
I think he's possibly just throwing you crumbs because he senses you are upset.

SittingAround1 · 20/08/2017 18:32

Go horse riding. It's what you really want to do, which is what he's been doing.

timeisnotaline · 20/08/2017 18:33

I wouldn't rearrange. He is not rearranging his evening do for you, and he wouldn't rearrange anything else he cared about because you had a really nice idea after all. He needs to start realising you are an actual person and your plans and time matter. I suspect he only did it now he feels you are pulling back a little, and he wouldn't have made it up at all after. Say I would be really disappointed now to miss out on the horse riding , and frankly fitting me in for an hour or two wouldn't make up for it. I'd offer to go out if he cancels the evening do, but I suspect that would make him angry as he would think it totally unreasonable (it's not)

inlectorecumbit · 20/08/2017 18:38

Oh and l wonder f he actually booked the lunch thing at all ot was it just a very quick response to your plans !!!
He knows you are on to him big time,

kittybiscuits · 20/08/2017 18:44

What everyone else says ^. Oh that's lovely but you said you were busy so we made plans. Let's do it another day when we're both free (big smile).

ElspethFlashman · 20/08/2017 19:00

Had he fuck booked a lunch.

TheLegendOfBeans · 20/08/2017 19:01

he responded by telling me he's booked a lunch for us that day, I said I thought he was working all day and all night. He said he was going to work from home until lunch then take us out, bring us back and he would go off to the event he's arranged until about midnight. So he wants me to cancel the riding

What an absolute fucking wanker. This is prime controlling bastard territory and he can feel you changing so he'll twist the hook deeper and deeper and deeper.

Do NOT acquiesce. Just smile brightly and say "another time".

Bastard.

TheLegendOfBeans · 20/08/2017 19:02

Ps: he's lying through his teeth. There was no lunch. In fact there may at irredentist be no lunch. He's thinking on the hoof.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 20/08/2017 20:44

This might be quite long, but my H was very similar to yours. A different type of job, but he was completely absorbed in it and travelled a lot, plus he was doing a doctorate. He basically allowed 60 mins a day for family time (on the days that he was actually in the country, and/or home before the DC's bedtime, otherwise family time was skipped). That 60 mins included mealtimes, and applied on weekends as well as weekdays.

He used to say that 'family is a team', but what he meant by that was that he was the team leader and the rest of us operated in a support capacity, me by doing everything to allow him to concentrate on work and the DC by turning up to work-related social stuff and making him look like a good dad.

He was also the definer of love. So him showing love was by working all the time and studying, and I wasn't appreciative enough because he only did it for the family. My happiness wasn't his concern, I was to make myself happy in my spare time and not disturb him with any talk of my feelings. My 'love' was defined as putting his feelings first, anticipating his needs and understanding that work was important.

I kept on keeping on, because I loved him. I thought it would be better after we moved country/both kids were at school/he finished his doctorate/other event. Then one day I had a revelation, he was never going to turn back into the husband that I had loved, it suited him that he never had to worry about me or care for me and I would still keep everything working regardless. And I definitely didn't love the man he had turned into, I would never have married that man, I wouldn't even have gone on a second date with him.

In the end I stopped talking to him, at least partly because he would keep working if I spoke to him. Once he looked up and said "Are you still speaking?". He would use the 'if you loved me you would ...' line and I would just say that I didn't love him, in fact I didn't even really like him, and the most that was prepared to do was cooperate for the sake of the DC but I definitely wasn't going to change plans or put myself out for him.

We ended up having tons of relationship counselling. Initially I think he imagined that the result of the counselling would be that I would buck up my ideas and behave like a better wife to him, but the councillor was fabulous and really made him examine his attitudes and he improved a lot. I didn't really want him to change as I didn't think he would, so I just went along with the attitude of wanting to explain how I felt and be listened to, and it was really good for that. My ultimate aim was a less contentious divorce. And we went a long way along the divorce route, because although his behaviour had changed very much for the better I didn't think that it would last. But we are still together. I don't love him, but we get along ok. He was desperate not to get divorced, he wants a family unit and doesn't want to be by himself.

I think his issue was that he didn't value anything that he didn't have to work for. Because I loved him I didn't make things awkward for him, but now I'm really hardline and if he tries to 'manage' me like I'm an employee or mucks me around by not doing was he has agreed so that I have to sort things out at the last minute he knows I'll have his balls. He has to show me respect and consideration if he wants to get the same from me.

Why Does he Do That? was a bloody excellent book for understanding our dynamic and why he could use my feelings and care for the family against me. Understanding what he was doing and why it upset me really helped me to verbalise my feelings in counselling.

I will leave you with a choice quote from one of the early counselling sessions "The internet is what is wrong with our marriage. If it weren't for Mumsnet you would never have known that you were unhappy." Grin

kittybiscuits · 20/08/2017 20:57

I will leave you with a choice quote from one of the early counselling sessions "The internet is what is wrong with our marriage. If it weren't for Mumsnet you would never have known that you were unhappy."

I love this paragraph!

mummmy2017 · 20/08/2017 21:39

He is playing you, No i don't mean he is cheating or anything like that.
He rewards you with affection, so when he thinks your cooling towards him he will become nice and affectionate showing you he loves you, this will continue till he as in the past your safely tucked into your box.
This then allows you to forgotten, as he has you wrapped in in his mind.
Next time he asks if you still love him, ask him if he still feels he is the same man who you fell in love with.
Agreeing with someone is a great way to defuse anger.
He says he has to work hard for the family, so you tell him yes he has to work hard for the family, but he should also realize all work and no play means he will miss out on his childrens lifes.
only make one point as you comment and keep it short.
He says he was going to take you out to lunch, say but it's our wedding anniversary, it should be a special day on the day, not your job allowing you to fit us in as an after thought.
Tell him which would he rather not lose his family or his job.

RandomMess · 20/08/2017 21:49

He's going to do just enough to try and keep you sweet. He doesn't want you growing a pair and leaving him and having to fund his DC and actually do hands on parenting every other weekend and forsake his hobbies etc...

Butterymuffin · 20/08/2017 22:04

Yes don't cancel the riding. kittybiscuits and Legend have suggested good responses.

HappyMum4 · 20/08/2017 22:40

BlackAmericano, I have read and re-read your post, it resonates so much, I can relate so much, and I just gather strength and support from it, thank you so very much for sharing that. I suggested counselling years ago, but he said he wouldn't talk to a stranger.
I absolutely will not rearrange the trip I've planned, I didn't know if I was being unfair or harsh but I did feel "scheduled in", mummy2017 you summed it up perfectly. I know if we did the lunch he'd come away thinking he'd saved the day and it would be thrown back at me later.
Kitty I agree - my favourite paragraph too, but it's also so true for me and I just can't begin to let you all know how much it has helped to read your posts, your stories, I have been genuinely battling with feeling like I had valid points and concerns, being repeatedly told I didn't, growing more and more nervous and uncomfortable over time of even raising issues any more, apprehension over his reactions, disappointment over his defence of his company, they can do no wrong, no matter how much they ask of him, how many trips, how many meals out or time at the bar or parties, walking up bloody mountains at 6am, always my fault for having a problem or issue not the boss's or the company's, or his.
I always felt I tried to understand it wasn't his fault he was sent here, there and everywhere, I know it's difficult even impossible to refuse when you're told you have to do something. He always, always refers to the default argument of "I'm blaming him". I always try to make it clear, I'm not, I just want a little understanding from where I stand, a little empathy, suppprt, show the love he says he feels. But he always just shouts, and often storms out. In an ideal world I wish he would hate it as much as I do, the hours, the dedication, the times spent away. But I know he doesn't. I always feel it gives him what we clearly can't, we are a hassle, he's told me the kids are a hassle, when we do go places together, they bicker and they'll do things he doesn't like, you know, like if we arrive somewhere it seems to take the ages to get out of the car, and then the same to get in it, or in the past on a holiday he's trying to relax in the sun and they splash him whilst jumping in water and he gets mad at them. I do point out is this he wants them to remember him, and he apologised but then when there's an opportunity to be a bit more fun and less angry, he still goes down the angry route. No change.
I might not know you personally but I consider you friends. Thank you ❤

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Joysmum · 20/08/2017 23:14

He's clearly not what you or the kids need.

mummmy2017 · 20/08/2017 23:18

How about this for an argument to him.
Your on x amount. for 35 hours a week.
You work an extra 4 hours a day so 20 odd hours a month.
You go on these weekend things and have to pay to go, petrol and food, drink and hotels.
So really your only earning half of x and your bring used by the company as you only getting 12 hours a week ish where your not on company time.
Pity they don't pay per hours as we would be loaded.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 21/08/2017 10:16

I'm not sure if I made it clear, but the turning point in our relationship was the point at which I stopped giving a damn about his needs and feelings. I wasn't horrible to him, I've always been polite, but I just distanced myself from him and put my own needs first. I treated him like a flatmate, someone to be tolerated but only interact with if it suited me. Fortunately we have an extra bedroom so I could physically remove myself and have my own private space.

He had a lot of things competing for his attention so he was concentrating on the things that he got the best 'reward' from, work, study and friends all made him feel good about himself. For everything else he put in the minimum amount of effort to keep things ticking along. The things that worked best to keep me in line with the least effort were guilt and emotional blackmail. Once I stopped caring about him he lost his means of control. It was also hugely inconvenient and time-sucking for him that I wasn't anticipating his needs and sorting out all his last minute errands. And I think that he got quite lonely that I wasn't talking to him (I used to save up amusing little stories about the DC to tell him when he was getting ready for bed, as that was the only time he had attention available to give me).

I don't want to give you the impression that things go better straight-away, they actually got a lot worse. He was flailing around trying to find a button to press to control me, he was criticising my parenting, stalking me on MN, trying to control my finances. But he asked for counselling, and after a rather trying month or two, he realised that he wasn't going to be able to just tell the councillor that he was right so that she could set me straight. Then he actually started to listen.

Fundamentally he is a kind man, and so he tried to improve and has stuck to his improved attitude. If your H is fundamentally a self-centred or immature man then he will probably continue to blame you, in which case you will almost certainly be better off splitting up. But either way, putting yourself and your needs first, and not caring about what he things or says about you, will improve your life and your happiness immensely.

kittybiscuits · 21/08/2017 17:56

Hey, HappyMum, hope you're okay Smile

HappyMum4 · 21/08/2017 18:52

Hi Kitty, you are so lovely, it's so nice to be able to talk to someone, I am being very duck-like at the minute, planning lots of things, putting my needs first, and emotionally ruling him out. I saw an email from his boss this morning saying "hey gents, once again good times had with you all last week" (referring to the go karting and mountain climbing), and it just made me feel angry. His job isn't to have good times, not in that respect. And being pulled away from family under the guise of "it's a meeting" just so they can go play, to me it's not what I signed up for. I've already noticed there is another trip abroad 3 days after New Year's Day, this one lasts another 5 days, so (I'm not supposed to know), I'm going to start making plans for us to go somewhere, do something. I don't even care about the school fine!!
I'm not just here to be picked up and dropped when it's convenient for him. I've seen with fresh eyes a lot of manipulation going on over the weekend, there's been a lot of scrambling to gain control back as he knew something was different but I wouldn't tell him, I have to let him think he has control and be subtle, but I am taking back my life and perhaps by not having us there when HE wants us, it might make him realise what he will lose, and perhaps that will cause a change. I don't think it will, I wholeheartedly agree with BlackAmericano in that he is concentrating on that which gives him greater reward - I do get it, I understand. On one side you've got a bunch of blokes, many if not all younger than him, not many at all family men, some married, some not, they're having a laugh, giving themselves little names, usual men stuff, it's free, easy, simple, fun. Work gives him a sense of achievement, satisfaction, pat on the back, success. He feels good. Then on the other side there's us. I'm probably seen as a somewhat naggy wife, reminding him of his responsibility and duty to his family, it's not always fun, it's not always satisfying or easy or successful. It's a lot of work for what seems little reward. If that's your mindset. If that's how you view family. And I think with him it is. So I get he'd rather be with them, do work. But ultimately the responsibility is there, you can't just shirk it because you find more fun elsewhere. Or conveniently drop us. You choose to be a man or a woman and face your responsibility, the choices that you made years ago, especially when there's children involved.
So, we will lead our life, he will lead his and we will see if anything is still there to be salvaged.
Thanks Kitty 😘

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kittybiscuits · 21/08/2017 18:59

It's clear you have your eyes wide open. It's very impressive. I just want you to know you have support here. It's very lonely being on your own with this kind of neglect/abuse. Lots of posters have left crap relationships - me included- and had lots of support here. Keep up the good work x

mummmy2017 · 21/08/2017 19:16

I am so Proud of you Happy with just under 3 weeks before school starts your going to have a great summer to remember with your children, he must have already noticed a change in you, and will wonder who your going to for advice and support, bet he never thinks it's your phone to blame.
He isn't going to like you going out and your new spirit of adventure. but sod him, if he can do adventures so can you.

HappyMum4 · 21/08/2017 19:31

Thank you Kitty and Mummy, I honestly don't think I could feel this strong without your posts, your words, your support. It's giving me a boost like you won't believe. I don't feel alone or as lonely any longer, you don't know how much you've helped me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart xxx

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DeadGood · 25/08/2017 18:51

How are you getting on, happy?