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Speeding husband...our problems are all my fault

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MissCommunication · 12/08/2017 10:20

I don't know how or where to start. I've got another thread going about my DH driving really fast in Germany with the kids and I in the car and about his general fast driving. There is a lot else going on in our marriage and we are at a crisis point after I broached the subject of the speeding last weekend and he blew his top.

Our relationship has always been tricky. When we met he was going through a messy divorce and there was loads going on with his DD (then 9) and exW and we really suffered. I was told I made no effort and contributed a lot to the acrimony. DH (we got married 6 years ago, got together 8 years ago) has always made me feel like I do things wrong. An example early in our relationship was me going out for dinner for a friend's birthday supper. I gave an ETA not REALLY knowing how evening was going to pan out but sent regular updates becuase it was a ten course tasting menu and it was running over massively. When I got home the house was dark and he was "asleep"...you could cut the atmosphere in the bedroom with a knife and he wouldn't talk to me. Eventually told me how rude, selfish and inconsiderate I was for being later than I said.

I was training hard to get to the Olympics and he was very supportive, practically and financially (significant because I became reliant on him and have no savings of my own) and he was also dealing with a lot. I tried to be as supportive as I could but the situation became untenable and I ended it. He went ALL out to repair it so I went back. My Olympic dream shattered but a few weeks later I found out I was pregnant. Around the same time my best friend, who is a very opinionated, strong-willed and black and white person, was cut out from our lives because things blew up around her feeling he was controlling me and trapping me, and he felt she was getting in too close and was destructive. Basically he told me I wasn't to have any contact with her, which left me without my friends because she was an integral part of my group of friends and I wasn't able to see them naturally and normally. Feeling depressed and hormonal and alone throughout pregnancy and baby days, I became very unwell. I wasn't sleeping with the baby and DH was training for an Ironman. It was a terrible spiral and I became more and more depressed. When I saw my friend in the street I mentioned it to DH because I was afraid he'd find out and be angry and I felt it best to be up front, and he went off, I was begging and sobbing and so it went on, self harming and crying and not sleeping and generally awful. One day it all got too much as it was happening so often and I decided to end it all. Attempt 1. A few weeks later I tried again in my car but bottled it. To my complete and utter shame, I had also lashed out at DH and walloped him in sheer and utter frustration and hopelessness. That was unforgiveable. I felt driven into such a corner and bashing myself around the head on brick walls, rolling pins, fists, anything that came to hand was just as bad. I must say that I have never ever hurt or touched the children. Ever.

Anyway, I got medication and started to feel much better and drink a lot less. Things didn't improve in terms of the rows but I harmed less. A friend took her own life through hanging and it was a terrible shock, and I connected with DH a bit more through the sadness, although only a few weeks previously I'd planned to leave him. Cue unexpected pregnancy. I was in turmoil about whether to keep the baby given the terrible state of our marriage but I wrote a letter to him and really laid it on the line that I was choosing it and we choose each other, warts and all. He didn't acknowledge it really although we were in counselling (not that it has made much difference).

The pregnancy somehow reset me and I am no longer depressed or medicated. I am strong and feel so much better. Baby is now 1 year old and a petal. I have committed not to fight or shout in front of the children after DS (aged 5) called me a nasty woman and there's only one place he heard that. DH blames me for everything...says I don't cope, can't cope, treat him badly, treat the children badly, am inconsistent, my behaviour is disgusting etc etc. I admit that I have done things wrong. I have been moody at 8am when DH comes bouncing down the stairs at 8am when I've been up with one or both kids and the day has started at 5am for me. I wasn't given the support with DS (first baby) and felt so alone with no network around me - our families live far away (Brazil and Africa and nearest family is 2 hours away) but I am doing so much better now in every way. I admit that when DH does things that anger me such as fuck about on his phone for hours while I deal with the children and then blames me for preventing him from spending time with them, I don't talk about it and bottle it up which is probably why he says I'm nasty and moody and treat him badly.

I've done things wrong and have my flaws. I can't write any more because I never get time to myself and kids are playing up and DH will be back soon and my window of opportunity has gone now. I've left so much out but tried to be balanced. I'm sorry if this is garbled. I've not given the story from last night as I can't right now but wil update when I next get a chance.

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mathanxiety · 23/08/2017 04:16

The children have no point of reference, and they are unhappy not too far under the surface for reasons they may not be able to figure out.
DS (aged 5) called me a nasty woman and there's only one place he heard that. DH blames me for everything...says I don't cope, can't cope, treat him badly, treat the children badly, am inconsistent, my behaviour is disgusting etc etc.
The older child has most certainly picked up the critical attitude and he is miserable.

Your H is not capable of loving the children. As far as he is concerned, they only exist to reflect his own feelings about himself back to him.

KatharinaRosalie · 23/08/2017 07:01

OP, this particular quote is from here: www.domesticviolenceroundtable.org/domestic-violence-cycle.html

But you find similar everywhere if you google Cycle of Abuse

theansweris42 · 23/08/2017 08:31

OP my abusive ex did the same one night! I'd forgotten.
I realised I did want to be kissed, but not with his motivation and therefore not by him.

Kr1stina · 23/08/2017 10:00

This is my advice to you

  1. Go to the doctors / clinic TODAY and get a reliable form of contraception that you can keep secret from your husband
  1. Go to women's aid and take their advice as to how you can leave
  1. Start saving money without telling him. get £10 or £20 cashback when you do the food shopping / get petrol. Hide this.
  1. Tell a trusted friend or family member that he's abusive , that you are not ready to leave yet but you need their support.
Loopytiles · 23/08/2017 10:11

Yes, contraception is very important, condoms probably not enough in your situation.

MissCommunication · 23/08/2017 22:38

Thanks again.

So this has just happened...he was sitting opposite me at supper and baby woke up. I scoffed last bit of dinner and excised myself, pushing my chair in as I got up, not noticing that he'd put his legs right out straight so my chair knocked his toes. The look on his face was awful...I can't really remember if I actually said sorry (I can't imagine I didn't iykwim) but I definitely said I didn't mean to. He continued to look accusingly and I said I didn't know his legs were there and that it wasn't deliberate and he said "yes, alright...sorry would be nice", in a totally shitty way, accompanied by a daggers look.

He. Never. Ever. Says. Sorry. EVER.

He's been really affectionate again today. Feeling my tits once and putting his hand down the back of my trousers...it's quite typical from him and it never used to bother me as we used to be quite physical. But I put a foot wrong at dinner, didn't I?

Anyway I'm up with baby and that's a blessing...sex avoided for another day.

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mathanxiety · 23/08/2017 22:43

No you didn't, and stop accepting his shit.

He is sexually assaulting you when he touches you like that. It is not love or even lust that prompts that sort of pawing. It is contempt. Get reliable contraception as soon as possible!

Please contact Women's Aid. You are living with a man who is 100% toxic.

MissCommunication · 23/08/2017 22:45

I'm considering sending this:

When was the last you time actually uttered the word sorry? For ANYTHING? For you, DH, are beyond reproach, aren't you? Never ever do anything that hurts another person or makes them sad or unhappy or is unfair to them. You treat people one way and expect different treatment for yourself, something you are very fond of telling me that I do to you. I saw you do it with DSD in the car today when you kept tapping her leg and when she tapped you back you got shirty (it wasn't too unsafe for you to drive while irritating her but it was not ok for her to retaliate). I'm getting sick of your Jekyll and Hyde behaviour (hugely affectionate one day and the next blanking me completely) and your complete ignoring of my entreaties to address the issues blighting our marriage. What do you have to say for yourself?

Or should I just leave it and bank it?

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mathanxiety · 23/08/2017 22:45

'Affectionate' is a completely wrong term for the groping he is subjecting you to.

mathanxiety · 23/08/2017 22:51

Bank it and please, please try to set your sights on the future and stop engaging with him and hoping to sort things out. He is laughing at any attempts by you to fix this relationship.

How old is DSD? Apart altogether from the distraction while driving, touching someone's leg without any indication the other person is ok with that is an aggressive boundary transgression. Touching the leg of a preteen or teen girl insistently and refusing to accept a 'piss off' has aggressive sexual overtones. It is how predators groom their victims.

Have you ever spoken to his ex, DSD's mother? I think you should.

MissCommunication · 23/08/2017 22:56

Ok so I don't know what is right or wrong here. This is just what he does. When we first got together we were very affectionate and sex happened every day, sometimes 2-3 times. I realise that the heady early days are like that for most relationships. He has a more healthy sex drive than I do. I'm not interested any more and I understand that it must be frustrating but I've had two kids, I'm main carer with very very little time off and almost no time to myself, 24/7...it's only recently that I've started dong my old (Olympic attempt) sport once a week on a Sunday morning and I've just made sure I do it and he has DC. I'm still BF DD and I don't intend to stop until either of us is ready to.

So I don't actually know what happens in other relationships as we are all different, right? The way I feel is that he's still trying to show me he fancies me...

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thestamp · 23/08/2017 22:58

Please, please stop trying to say things that you hope will make him see sense.

He doesn't care what you say. You really really need to accept that. Please for your own mental health.

Disengage.

www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/telling-them-all-about-themselves-why-its-not-your-job-to-list-their-flaws-and-crimes/

www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/stop-explaining-stop-justifying-stop-talking-boundaries-are-upheld-with-action/

I mean this in the nicest way, I hope you can "hear" it - when you tell him who he is/point out his flaws you are behaving like a teenage girl challenging her dad. Not like a wife in relationship with her husband. In other words you're behaving like someone who is powerless and lower on the pecking order than him - and he knows that - and it's not making him respect or love him. It's just driving home to him again and again that you think little of yourself, you're all talk, and you're depending on him to make your life better by changing his behavior.

So he will be sure not to change.
As long as he remains miserable and awful, he knows from experience, you just come back for more, get more and more emotionally involved, more and more stuck in his game.

Dis. En. Gage.

MissCommunication · 23/08/2017 22:59

And DSD is 17 and was sitting in front while I was in the back with the littluns.

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thestamp · 23/08/2017 23:01

So I don't actually know what happens in other relationships as we are all different, right? The way I feel is that he's still trying to show me he fancies me...

Does any of that really matter though?

Do you WANT him to grope you? That is the actual question, is this what you want from him?

If you don't want it, you should be saying no and not allowing it.

Again, I mean this gently and with compassion because I've been there: you feel confused about this because your boundaries are fucked, he's broken you down for such a long time that you have the mentality of a child towards a parent, rather than a wife towards a husband. The inequality and powerlessness you must feel, it must crush you. No?

PickAChew · 23/08/2017 23:02

Bank it. You need to go grey rock on him.

Fucksake, last time DH accidentally pushed a chair into my leg (and it was totally accidental) he got "fucksake, that knee's sort of attached to me you know!!!" No atmosphere, no retribution, and certainly no unwelcome groping, because that's how adults work together when no one is walking on eggshells.

PickAChew · 23/08/2017 23:04

He has a more healthy sex drive than I do.

Correction: he wants sex more than you do.

thisfamily · 23/08/2017 23:08

You get used to be away from the children and they do too.
You are telling us how unhappy you are. Your mental health is not going to get better if this carries on. A talk where you can actually bring it up is much needed. If you can't even talk about it, then that speaks for itself.

MissCommunication · 23/08/2017 23:52

Boundaries. Yes. He doesn't do boundaries. Not mine, not the DC (not sexually...never that) not anyone's. In fact my outspoken friend said something very insightful about 6 years ago that now makes sense...I'd just returned from the trip and told her about the friendship with the guy and how lovely it was. She said yes because he respected your boundaries. That has stuck with me and now I know why.

I do feel like a child actually. So many little (and big) things. What do I say when he gropes me? I can imagine him.either getting the hump or saying something like I'm his wife and he should be able to show me he loves and fancies me. Which of course makes me feel bad for not wanting it. I remember I used to feel really guilty for going to visit my family...I'd want to go and would never stay more than a night because I'd feel bad. He would say of course go but of course I'd rather have you here because I love you and want to be with you. So I'd bust a gut to get there and back in 24 hours (they live 2 hours away). Luckily I am much better at just getting on with it and I was down there 4 night with DC a couple of weeks ago. But it was the same early on when we used to have lunch most days. When I was invited out elsewhere I'd more often than not decline because I'd feel I shouldn't...again, it was a case of "go for it...of course I love seeing you and being with you for lunch and I'd rather be doing that but you go and enjoy yourself." It just felt like a caveat attached to it. The outspoken friend once said to me that I always said I need to get back for lunch with him not that I want to.

I'm terrified. Where do I live? How do I afford to live? I have nothing other than £1k in my isa. What if he uses old MH issues against me for custody? He's a clever cookie and I am sure he would play hardball. I am fantasising about a little house just me a kids...a friend has one she rents and would be happy to rent to me. A very very close family member is willing to lend me £10k to cover expenses (I would make a formal loan agreement and arrange terms etc payable on settlement etc). Am.I being ridiculous even contemplating this?? Am I in cloud cuckoo land?

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Kr1stina · 24/08/2017 03:32

You are not in cloud cuckoo land . You know it won't be easy to divorce him , that he will pay hard ball. But it's possible, many many MNers have divorced abusive men just like him.

You will neeed a shit hot lawyer ( SHL) and supportive friends or family.

It would be very unusual for him to get the kids 100% as you are the main carer. But a lawyer can advise you on all that.

Will your relative lend you the money to see one now, so you know where you stand? Don't say anything to your H of course.

mathanxiety · 24/08/2017 07:13

The way I feel is that he's still trying to show me he fancies me...

No, he is rubbing your nose in your powerlessness.

Every single thing this man does or says to you is a power play designed to show you that you are gum stuck to his shoe.

None of it is affection or a healthy sex drive, and he does not have the right to find fault with you or shoot you dirty looks for accidentally bumping him with a chair.

He has done a number on your boundaries.

He is doing the same to DSD and please do not rule out sexually inappropriate behaviour on his part with your children.

DSD should have been in the back seat with the other children, and he absolutely should never have touched her leg, in the car or anywhere else. The persistent leg touching episode with her in the front seat, and the anger when she said to stop, was the behaviour of a sexual predator. Everything about that incident screams RED FLAG.

Cambionome · 24/08/2017 07:51

What math said. Everything this guy does is about control, not love or even "fancying". It looks as if he is going to start exerting the same kind of control over his dd - I would definitely advise thinking seriously about getting out. Start saving a bit here and there if you can, talk to relatives/friends who can help, find out if you would be entitled to any benefits... and don't forget that he will have to pay to support his children. You won't be cast adrift without anything.

It would be worth speaking to a solicitor; I recently saw one for half an hour about splitting up from my dh, and it cost £48. You could easily get that together by getting a bit of cash back from shopping a few times. Even if you don't do anything about splitting up yet you will be getting information together which will massively help you when you do feel ready to go.

Keep thinking, keep planning, keep moving forward. Flowers

Alittlepotofrosie · 24/08/2017 08:08

The kissing and groping is him marking his territory. Like a dog pissing up your leg. If he tries to grope you, you are allowed to say no. He's trying to put you in your place. I agree him winding his daughter up is very concerning.

KatharinaRosalie · 24/08/2017 08:19

This kind of groping is not affectionate, it's about power. It's him showing you that he can treat you as badly as he wants, but you should be appreciative whenever he wants to stick his hand in your pants.
Affection meand liking and caring. What he does is not caring, he couldn't give a tiny rats ass about if you like what he does or not.

He's just textbook with the 'oh of course you can but I love you so much I want to spend all the time with you'. Later followed by sulking and accusations about how your family doesn't like him and doesn't understand your special relationship?

This is a nice article describing abusive men. You might recognize some parts.

carleton.ca/womensstudies/activism/166-2/

thisfamily · 24/08/2017 12:27

It must be hard to hear that he is an abusive man OP. Staying in the relationship for you means self-destruction. There is no other choice than getting out.
Most lawyers offer a free hour of consultation.

MissCommunication · 24/08/2017 12:39

Hi

Yes it is hard to hear but infinitely harder to hear with ref to the children...I honestly cannot conceive of him actually doing anything to them. DH was beaten by his father who also beat his mother when she stepped in to protect her children. She kicked him out when he was about 13. DH and his DF haven't spoken in over 2 years. He's got a lot of unresolved issues but he has an astounding lack of introspection...or he just buries it all and ignores it. I don't think I or his children are going to help him with the fundamental stuff.

I wanted so badly for this marriage to work. I had a very short marriage (no children) which ended before I was 30...I'm now 39. Although I felt controlled in that marriage it was never ever in a million years like this relationship. But my eyes are peeping out of the big hole I'm in and I'm gaining clarity. I just hate seeing the words I'm reading on here...for so many reasons. But you've all been brilliant, thank you xxxFlowers

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