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Speeding husband...our problems are all my fault

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MissCommunication · 12/08/2017 10:20

I don't know how or where to start. I've got another thread going about my DH driving really fast in Germany with the kids and I in the car and about his general fast driving. There is a lot else going on in our marriage and we are at a crisis point after I broached the subject of the speeding last weekend and he blew his top.

Our relationship has always been tricky. When we met he was going through a messy divorce and there was loads going on with his DD (then 9) and exW and we really suffered. I was told I made no effort and contributed a lot to the acrimony. DH (we got married 6 years ago, got together 8 years ago) has always made me feel like I do things wrong. An example early in our relationship was me going out for dinner for a friend's birthday supper. I gave an ETA not REALLY knowing how evening was going to pan out but sent regular updates becuase it was a ten course tasting menu and it was running over massively. When I got home the house was dark and he was "asleep"...you could cut the atmosphere in the bedroom with a knife and he wouldn't talk to me. Eventually told me how rude, selfish and inconsiderate I was for being later than I said.

I was training hard to get to the Olympics and he was very supportive, practically and financially (significant because I became reliant on him and have no savings of my own) and he was also dealing with a lot. I tried to be as supportive as I could but the situation became untenable and I ended it. He went ALL out to repair it so I went back. My Olympic dream shattered but a few weeks later I found out I was pregnant. Around the same time my best friend, who is a very opinionated, strong-willed and black and white person, was cut out from our lives because things blew up around her feeling he was controlling me and trapping me, and he felt she was getting in too close and was destructive. Basically he told me I wasn't to have any contact with her, which left me without my friends because she was an integral part of my group of friends and I wasn't able to see them naturally and normally. Feeling depressed and hormonal and alone throughout pregnancy and baby days, I became very unwell. I wasn't sleeping with the baby and DH was training for an Ironman. It was a terrible spiral and I became more and more depressed. When I saw my friend in the street I mentioned it to DH because I was afraid he'd find out and be angry and I felt it best to be up front, and he went off, I was begging and sobbing and so it went on, self harming and crying and not sleeping and generally awful. One day it all got too much as it was happening so often and I decided to end it all. Attempt 1. A few weeks later I tried again in my car but bottled it. To my complete and utter shame, I had also lashed out at DH and walloped him in sheer and utter frustration and hopelessness. That was unforgiveable. I felt driven into such a corner and bashing myself around the head on brick walls, rolling pins, fists, anything that came to hand was just as bad. I must say that I have never ever hurt or touched the children. Ever.

Anyway, I got medication and started to feel much better and drink a lot less. Things didn't improve in terms of the rows but I harmed less. A friend took her own life through hanging and it was a terrible shock, and I connected with DH a bit more through the sadness, although only a few weeks previously I'd planned to leave him. Cue unexpected pregnancy. I was in turmoil about whether to keep the baby given the terrible state of our marriage but I wrote a letter to him and really laid it on the line that I was choosing it and we choose each other, warts and all. He didn't acknowledge it really although we were in counselling (not that it has made much difference).

The pregnancy somehow reset me and I am no longer depressed or medicated. I am strong and feel so much better. Baby is now 1 year old and a petal. I have committed not to fight or shout in front of the children after DS (aged 5) called me a nasty woman and there's only one place he heard that. DH blames me for everything...says I don't cope, can't cope, treat him badly, treat the children badly, am inconsistent, my behaviour is disgusting etc etc. I admit that I have done things wrong. I have been moody at 8am when DH comes bouncing down the stairs at 8am when I've been up with one or both kids and the day has started at 5am for me. I wasn't given the support with DS (first baby) and felt so alone with no network around me - our families live far away (Brazil and Africa and nearest family is 2 hours away) but I am doing so much better now in every way. I admit that when DH does things that anger me such as fuck about on his phone for hours while I deal with the children and then blames me for preventing him from spending time with them, I don't talk about it and bottle it up which is probably why he says I'm nasty and moody and treat him badly.

I've done things wrong and have my flaws. I can't write any more because I never get time to myself and kids are playing up and DH will be back soon and my window of opportunity has gone now. I've left so much out but tried to be balanced. I'm sorry if this is garbled. I've not given the story from last night as I can't right now but wil update when I next get a chance.

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KatharinaRosalie · 21/08/2017 21:15

has been so solicitous and helpful and very loving - of course. Nobody would stay with abusers if they were horrible all the time. They have to act nice every now and then, so you start thinking that it could always be like that, if you were only a little more..or a little less...

MissCommunication · 21/08/2017 21:39

So I came across an account of one of our paruicularly awful weekends...reading the first paragraph or so about how I was feeling makes me realise how far I've come...reading the account of events shows me what has been going on for years. Hope you don't mind me putting this up:

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I don't know what to believe or think any more
I don't know what I'm doing and I don't know who I am because I think I'm alright...I know I'm grumpy and can be testy and difficult but I'm basically ok...or so I thought.
But I don't know if I'm deluding myself because I "do nothing" for our relationship

I give nothing and haven't in years.
I don't want to be one of those rude snipey nasty wives and I think that's what I am and i just don't see it.

That's genuinely where I am today.

So fucking lost and confused
On one level I know what I did wrong with how I dealt with things (see story below). On another I just don't know what where or how I am. I just don't know if what I think I know is real. It's like a jumbled up soup in my head...years of shit sleep and terrible terrible depression and I just don't remember what is what, or what happened here or there, or what was said or not said. When did I become this rude and horrid person?

When did I become a negative person? All I am is negative and unhappy and malcontented?
Have I always been negative??? When did I start seeing things as all bad? Have I always done that??? Complained that everything is always wrong??? (He used to say that's what his ex was like too).
Apparently I just don't cope with the day and the children. I think I do, but am I imagining it all and is my impression of my ability all just a dream?

After yet another awful weekend of rows, I'm finally nearing the end of my tether. I've been close several times but something has stopped me (the past 5 years it is my 5 year old and now my baby, before that, well love I guess) and now something had to change. Yesterday I called DH on what I found to be rude on his part. Immediately he flashed back with how dare I, how rude and nasty I am, all day every day, how selfish and inconsiderate I am etc etc. We got through it. He slept in spare room (not my request, nor was it discussed but as DD baby is still in with us it's not uncommon). He had planned his hobby for 6 hours today (Sunday) and said he was starting as early as possible but I assumed 8am as has he wasn't specific but that's a fairly typical start time. I worked on him being out until 2pm plus shower and faff and eat, so 3pm not unreasonable time frame. I said I'd see a friend for play date while he's out. I had been trying to find firm times from her which only came through this morning. She said 12pm. Hmm he said. Then...I wonder why you are arranging this so that you are going out when I'm finishing. You do this a lot. You always try and stop me from seeing my kids etc etc or words to that effect. Lots of shouting and accusation. I cry, say I'll just cancel (can't do another row). Cue disappointed DS. So I try and see if we can see friend in the morning which she says fine to. DH doesn't go out. I proceed to give kids brekkie and he comes to the table and just sits. I ask about his plans...he says "I don't know, I'll have to rearrange after this...I'm stressed and too unwell to (hobby)". I know I should have kept my trap shut but I said "please don't tell me you're now not going out". Cue HORRIFIC shouting and abuse, wrecking stair gates and telling me how nasty and selfish and inconsiderate etc etc I am. Disappears to his bed and hides under his duvet feigning sleep or whatever. Long story short I go out. Leave him to it saying I'll be there a couple of hours and see him later.

I'm sent a message saying my actions prove how little I care or consider him. I make no effort and never do. Can't I see how upset and wrecked he is but I push my own agenda and do what I want? I give him no comfort or care. Then a new message...I'm going (hobby) so you can feel better about this. I ignore it. Work on the basis that he originally said he would be out for said 6 hours. Go to friend. Have nice time. Leave after 3 hours so I'm back well before he gets in (or so I think). Texts me saying where are you...you said you'd be back by 12 (no!!!) and is he having lunch alone? I then say I thought he was out for 6 hours and ask what time he got home. He says he hasn't been out and has been sitting waiting for us (WTAF??? I had no words!!).

Kids fall asleep in car so I figure we have opportunity to talk when I get in while they kip (with baby monitor on in car). I say can we try and work on this...he says no point I never listen to him I do what I want blah blah...I'm only discussing it now because it suits me (in fact I am of the opinion that we are harming the children when they see and hear us fight). He then storms off again shouting and calling me a fucker etc...says I do nothing around the house (told me he went two months without clean socks or pants last year...wish I'd said "you know how to use a washing machine"...or "if I was struggling keeping up with washing maybe I needed some fucking help you arsehole"...but I didnt). I just don't react but drive round block. Come back as kids now awake and go into sitting room so we can be together (which is what he said he wanted and had given me shit aboutknow the first place)...and he then falls asleep for an hour. Right there in front of us. Once again I had no words. When he woke up I was in the garden playing with the children and everything was all back to "normal" and we had an ok afternoon in the end.

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I've been very careful not to fight in front of the children any more after my son called me a nasty woman (only one place he heard that (DH)) and things have been on a relatively even keel.

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Whoknows11 · 21/08/2017 22:05

This story is so sad.

Please respect yourself and either go to counselling to sort this or leave him.

You have to find the strength to protect your children from being damaged for life.

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JigglyTuff · 21/08/2017 22:13

Oh god, he is absolutely horrible to you and your children. Honestly, I don't believe there is any way you are ever going to have a reasonable relationship with this man - he's abused you for years.

Would you consider ringing Women's Aid?

thestamp · 21/08/2017 22:25

Gosh OP things have been so so bad for the longest time.

It sounds like there was never even really a foundation of love or respect from him towards you, not even at the very beginning. He's been so vile to you! I don't know how you have borne it. Honestly!

I really hope you gather your strength as rapidly as possible. Your children cannot be allowed to continue seeing you near this person. I know that you've tried to shield them, but they know what's going on. That's why your DS called you that, he's learned from his father! As long as you stay in this relationship, their chance at a happy adult life deteriorates more and more...

Please don't be like my mother, she destroyed herself and our relationship with her by putting all her loyalty exactly where it shouldn't have gone... She should have been loyal to us kids... not her partner who didn't give a single fuck about any of us...

mathanxiety · 22/08/2017 07:19

my actions prove how little I care or consider him. I make no effort and never do. Can't I see how upset and wrecked he is but I push my own agenda and do what I want? I give him no comfort or care. Then a new message...I'm going (hobby) so you can feel better about this. I ignore it. Work on the basis that he originally said he would be out for said 6 hours. Go to friend. Have nice time. Leave after 3 hours so I'm back well before he gets in (or so I think). Texts me saying where are you...you said you'd be back by 12 (no!!!) and is he having lunch alone? I then say I thought he was out for 6 hours and ask what time he got home. He says he hasn't been out and has been sitting waiting for us (WTAF??? I had no words!!).

Kids fall asleep in car so I figure we have opportunity to talk when I get in while they kip (with baby monitor on in car). I say can we try and work on this...he says no point I never listen to him I do what I want blah blah...I'm only discussing it now because it suits me (in fact I am of the opinion that we are harming the children when they see and hear us fight). He then storms off again shouting and calling me a fucker etc...says I do nothing around the house (told me he went two months without clean socks or pants last year...wish I'd said "you know how to use a washing machine"...or "if I was struggling keeping up with washing maybe I needed some fucking help you arsehole"...but I didnt). I just don't react but drive round block. Come back as kids now awake and go into sitting room so we can be together (which is what he said he wanted and had given me shit aboutknow the first place)...and he then falls asleep for an hour. Right there in front of us.

You are being set up to lose. Every.Single.Time.
This is because your H is a 100% malignant narcissist.

The relationship is never going to improve. The only thing that will change here is that you will end up destroyed and this toxic man will destroy the children and your relationship with them into the bargain.

The only thing you have control over here is how you frame the relationship in your mind, and what you do as a result of a changed perspective. The only positive thing you can do is to stop engaging and stop looking for any mutuality from him, and divorce.

Build yourself up by getting help from Women's Aid.
0808 2000 247

Loopytiles · 22/08/2017 07:36

Glad you started this thread. Please do call Womens Aid: they are experts and will help you.

As PPs have said, reading Lundy Bancroft may help you see it more clearly.

If you're currently having counselling as part of your mental healthcare, please tell the counsellor that your H is controlling and emotionally abusive. You could share content from your posts.

He was abusive before you had DC1, now 5, and has continued to be abusive.

Abusive men are nice some of the time and, of course, are not "all bad". But he will not change.

Your worries about the DC

Suggest finding an ad hoc babysitter asap so you can more easily meet Womens Aid and, once you're ready, a solicitor. DSD is a teen?

How about reaching out to that close friend who, those years ago, expressed her concern about your then bf? You might find she's happy to hear from you and able to listen.

Loopytiles · 22/08/2017 07:38

Your worries about the DC sometimes being alone with your H overnight after separation are understandable, but you're not yet seeing the significant damage to them both, especially the eldest, of their current situation.

Cambionome · 22/08/2017 08:07

Your last post is horrific, op - really, really upsetting. I'm so sorry for what you are going through. Flowers

Please keep thinking and moving forward. Please don't let yourself be convinced that you are in some way responsible for his totally shitty behaviour- that is ALL his responsibility!

BTW, I think it would be a very good idea for you to continue to write everything down like this - it will give you the chance to look back and see what he's doing more clearly.

KatharinaRosalie · 22/08/2017 08:24

OP, saying that you will miss your kids if (and I will say IF) your ex wants to have contact days is really not a reason to stay. They are witnessing the toxic, abusive environment every single day.

There was a thread recently where people discussed their own upbringing in abusive families, it had a massive effect on everybody. I don't remember a single comment stating that 'but at least they stayed together'

MissCommunication · 22/08/2017 09:04

Morning.

Where do I stand in terms of the times I have been driven to absolute distraction and hit my husband? That's physical domestic abuse by me towards him, isn't it? I don't have a leg to stand on in that department. I daren't use the word abuse because I have shouted terrible things at him and thrown things and whacked him - that's abuse by me towards him. I am mortified and it is utterly distasteful and shameful that I did it, and I haven't done it for absolutely ages, not since before DD came along, but I did it and there's no changing it.

The last time I self harmed was mother's day this year. I will not do it ever again. Prior to that I drove my car into a lamppost (I ended up bottling it again so the damage wasn't serious but it was there and my car was off the road for a while)...so it's all fucked up. He would say I can't control myself.

He's now withholding all affection.

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MissCommunication · 22/08/2017 09:10

Sorry if this is drip feeding

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ravenmum · 22/08/2017 09:43

Someone with more experience with this will come on in a moment, MissC - I'm still learning myself - but someone on another thread the other day said that you have to look at where the power is in the relationship. Abuse is all about having the power. Did you get your way in the relationship as a result of lashing out at him? I'm guessing not.

theansweris42 · 22/08/2017 10:06

missC you don't have to mention or discuss abuse with him, (I never did with my very similar ex - as I knew he would go mental, twist things, make me a monster for saying such a thing. So I just didn't and became VERY boring, stopped reacting etc)
Have you read Why Does He Do that? by Lundy Bancroft? It confirmed what I was starting to know and helped me make the break.
You do not have to get him to agree or to understand about why you want to end it.
I know you feel shame about hitting him, you've said you never will again and haven't for a long time. It is in the past and you also don't have to discuss that with him.

Loopytiles · 22/08/2017 10:07

Oh OP Sad Womens Aid can help with all that too.

theansweris42 · 22/08/2017 10:14

oh and missC my DC go to their father, they love him.
And then they come back to my nice household.
I can mitigate some of the effect of their Narc father whilst they are with me.
As they grow I can help them to deal with his bad bits and enjoy his good bits.
I could have done none of this if I was crushed and silenced and showing them how to cower.
You can get out and not only you but the DC will be infinitely better off.

KatharinaRosalie · 22/08/2017 10:25

You do not have to get him to agree or to understand about why you want to end it.

This

MissCommunication · 22/08/2017 19:42

So this evening he came back from taking DSD and DS to cinema (too loud for DD's baby ears) and greeted me with a full on tongue snog.

Wtf?

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Loopytiles · 22/08/2017 19:50

Confused In front of the DC?

MissCommunication · 22/08/2017 20:00

Erm not really...DS was milling about and dd was upstairs waiting for me to bring her snuggly bun to her.

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KatharinaRosalie · 22/08/2017 20:25

Nothing wtf about it. The good old cycle of abuse, he's clearly in honeymoon phase.

He may then exhibit loving, kind behavior followed by apologies, generosity and helpfulness. He will genuinely attempt to convince the partner that the abuse will not happen again. This loving and contrite behavior strengthens the bond between the partners and will probably convince the victim, once again, that leaving the relationship is not necessary.

mathanxiety · 22/08/2017 20:50

A greeting like that out of the blue, and presumably you did not open the door to him wearing only Chanel Number 5, is more than just honeymoon mode. It is an intrusive act on his part in every sense of the word. It is gesture of ownership.

How badly would it set you back, MissC, if you were to find yourself pregnant? I think he was reminding you that he could do things to you physically and/or sexually that you might not want him to do and you would be unable to stop him, assuming you could distinguish a loving gesture from a hostile one.

I think he was also reminding himself of that - a sense of power over you is what he craves out of this relationship, not equality or mutual respect or a sexual relationship based on those foundations.

Alittlepotofrosie · 22/08/2017 21:05

Did you want him to kiss you like that?

MissCommunication · 22/08/2017 22:25

Hi

Well I certainly wasn't expecting it given the fact that yesterday he wasn't talking to me at all when we woke up (he had slept in spare room after having got out of bed unexpectedly) and all yesterday and most of today he hadn't been in any way affectionate (we usually peck hello and goodbye). I wasn't overly comfortable with it because he has been so closed off since yesterday and I hate being great one day and persona non grata the next. Really Jekyll and Hyde. It's why I am just quite neutral...I don't push him away but I don't offer effusive affection.

I've been terrified of becoming pregnant again. I'm not getting periods as still BF and to be honest I'm not interested in dtd...I'm touched out most days anyway looking after the dc and the very few times we have done it I've been super careful as not relying on BF as reliable contraception!!! And I was terrified about having DD and bringing her into the shitstorm we were in at the time I found out I was pregnant so it was a real heart and soul battle to continue with the pregnancy. I'm so unbelievably glad I did. She's my blessing in so many ways.

The children love their father and he loves them although his phone/laptop/tablet occupy him way too much...it's a huge bone of contention for me but I daren't mention it because it'll be batted back and I'll be accused of always being on my phone...which is a crock of shit but I'm tired of it all now so barely bother fighting it any more.

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MissCommunication · 22/08/2017 22:27

Katharina where is that excerpt from?

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