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Speeding husband...our problems are all my fault

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MissCommunication · 12/08/2017 10:20

I don't know how or where to start. I've got another thread going about my DH driving really fast in Germany with the kids and I in the car and about his general fast driving. There is a lot else going on in our marriage and we are at a crisis point after I broached the subject of the speeding last weekend and he blew his top.

Our relationship has always been tricky. When we met he was going through a messy divorce and there was loads going on with his DD (then 9) and exW and we really suffered. I was told I made no effort and contributed a lot to the acrimony. DH (we got married 6 years ago, got together 8 years ago) has always made me feel like I do things wrong. An example early in our relationship was me going out for dinner for a friend's birthday supper. I gave an ETA not REALLY knowing how evening was going to pan out but sent regular updates becuase it was a ten course tasting menu and it was running over massively. When I got home the house was dark and he was "asleep"...you could cut the atmosphere in the bedroom with a knife and he wouldn't talk to me. Eventually told me how rude, selfish and inconsiderate I was for being later than I said.

I was training hard to get to the Olympics and he was very supportive, practically and financially (significant because I became reliant on him and have no savings of my own) and he was also dealing with a lot. I tried to be as supportive as I could but the situation became untenable and I ended it. He went ALL out to repair it so I went back. My Olympic dream shattered but a few weeks later I found out I was pregnant. Around the same time my best friend, who is a very opinionated, strong-willed and black and white person, was cut out from our lives because things blew up around her feeling he was controlling me and trapping me, and he felt she was getting in too close and was destructive. Basically he told me I wasn't to have any contact with her, which left me without my friends because she was an integral part of my group of friends and I wasn't able to see them naturally and normally. Feeling depressed and hormonal and alone throughout pregnancy and baby days, I became very unwell. I wasn't sleeping with the baby and DH was training for an Ironman. It was a terrible spiral and I became more and more depressed. When I saw my friend in the street I mentioned it to DH because I was afraid he'd find out and be angry and I felt it best to be up front, and he went off, I was begging and sobbing and so it went on, self harming and crying and not sleeping and generally awful. One day it all got too much as it was happening so often and I decided to end it all. Attempt 1. A few weeks later I tried again in my car but bottled it. To my complete and utter shame, I had also lashed out at DH and walloped him in sheer and utter frustration and hopelessness. That was unforgiveable. I felt driven into such a corner and bashing myself around the head on brick walls, rolling pins, fists, anything that came to hand was just as bad. I must say that I have never ever hurt or touched the children. Ever.

Anyway, I got medication and started to feel much better and drink a lot less. Things didn't improve in terms of the rows but I harmed less. A friend took her own life through hanging and it was a terrible shock, and I connected with DH a bit more through the sadness, although only a few weeks previously I'd planned to leave him. Cue unexpected pregnancy. I was in turmoil about whether to keep the baby given the terrible state of our marriage but I wrote a letter to him and really laid it on the line that I was choosing it and we choose each other, warts and all. He didn't acknowledge it really although we were in counselling (not that it has made much difference).

The pregnancy somehow reset me and I am no longer depressed or medicated. I am strong and feel so much better. Baby is now 1 year old and a petal. I have committed not to fight or shout in front of the children after DS (aged 5) called me a nasty woman and there's only one place he heard that. DH blames me for everything...says I don't cope, can't cope, treat him badly, treat the children badly, am inconsistent, my behaviour is disgusting etc etc. I admit that I have done things wrong. I have been moody at 8am when DH comes bouncing down the stairs at 8am when I've been up with one or both kids and the day has started at 5am for me. I wasn't given the support with DS (first baby) and felt so alone with no network around me - our families live far away (Brazil and Africa and nearest family is 2 hours away) but I am doing so much better now in every way. I admit that when DH does things that anger me such as fuck about on his phone for hours while I deal with the children and then blames me for preventing him from spending time with them, I don't talk about it and bottle it up which is probably why he says I'm nasty and moody and treat him badly.

I've done things wrong and have my flaws. I can't write any more because I never get time to myself and kids are playing up and DH will be back soon and my window of opportunity has gone now. I've left so much out but tried to be balanced. I'm sorry if this is garbled. I've not given the story from last night as I can't right now but wil update when I next get a chance.

OP posts:
thisfamily · 24/08/2017 12:52

Hand holding MissComm.
If you don't want to be stuck in this kind of relationships do the

Freedom programme: www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/

and read this guy: www.goodreads.com/author/show/131380.Lundy_Bancroft

MissCommunication · 24/08/2017 13:45

Thank you. I feel I will need a lot of hand holding in the coming months!!!

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pictish · 24/08/2017 16:22

"I honestly cannot conceive of him actually doing anything to them."

Except for putting them at grave risk of being obliterated in a car crash at 100 miles per hour. The utter arsehole.

Alittlepotofrosie · 24/08/2017 17:06

At least your eyes are opening to what you're living with. You can make a life without him. It can't be any harder than what you're living with Flowers

thestamp · 24/08/2017 17:42

I remember the moment that I took my head out of the sand, I was on MN posting about my then dh. I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong - MN showed me I wasn't doing anything wrong. Then I couldn't understand how I was going to leave him - MN showed me why I should, why it was really better for my DC. And then I managed to do it somehow.

I remember how awful and unbelievable it felt to read what everyone else was saying and knowing they were right. Knowing that it was only me who needed to take a step into reality. Everyone else was there already.

But once you come into reality you start to see that you can do it, it's just one foot in front of the other, really. Is it stressful and awful, yes. Is it worth it, yes absolutely.

NettleTea · 24/08/2017 20:22

all that 'I want to spend time with you' is emotional blackmail bullshit - along with that game he played at the weekend where you tried to fit seeing a friend around his hobby - its because although HE wants a life outside the marriage as well, he damn well wants to make sure you dont have one.

Do you ever say 'oh, of course do your hobby, but wouldnt you rather spend the day with me and DD?'
No
because you dont use emotional blackmail to keep him in your sight

and the groping is just showing you he can. Affection would be offering you a sit down while he took over looking after DD/ the cooking/ the housework. Offering a footrub with no thought that it will have a happy ending for him

NettleTea · 24/08/2017 20:24

My ex used to do that stuff.
he was out all the bloody time, but if he caught whiff that I might be going somewhere/gone somewhere he would be on the phone pretending he had planned an evening together and Id rejected him

my flatmate caught him out - he told me that when my ex had said he had thrown the dinner he made in the bin, he hadnt made anything - it was just a lie to make me feel guilty

mathanxiety · 24/08/2017 20:34

If you can't conceive of him doing anything untoward to your children based on the fact that his own parents were abusive to him so surely he knows how horrible that would be, think again.

Look at what he did in the speeding car, and look at him placing his daughter in your seat in the car and 'flirting' with her by touching her leg ('flirting' in the way immature boys 'flirt' by pulling girls' hair or flicking spitwads).

Loopytiles · 24/08/2017 21:12

He is sexually abusive too, then.

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Loopytiles · 24/08/2017 21:13

Are you still in touch with your "outspoken" friend? She sounds like a good friend.

MissCommunication · 24/08/2017 22:13

For context it was my decision to sit in the back. I'm a bit smaller than DSD so bit easier in between the two car seats. And rightly or wrongly I thought it might be nice for her to sit up front with her dad. They don't get that much time together (that is a whole different story and thread)

And no, you're right, I don't make him feel bad about going out training or socialising (he really doesn't go out much or drink or anything so it's good when he does tbh). I'd LOVE to do it too, so I get the need and desire to do it. I get pissed off a bit sometimes but I don't (think I) make it hard for him. If anything people express surprise at how supportive I am...he says I am completely unsupportive of him in every way. I could go on and on with anecdotes here but I think you've all got the picture!

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MissCommunication · 24/08/2017 22:15

Oh and my previous post sounds like his DM kicked my DH out...I meant she kicked his father out because he was an abusive womanising bastard. Writing that I feel so awful for him. What a shitty childhood.

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Cambionome · 24/08/2017 22:20

And now he is prepared to make your life and your children's lives equally shitty.

mathanxiety · 24/08/2017 22:30

Stop feeling awful for him. He is paying it all back with interest.

RidingWindhorses · 24/08/2017 22:38

Where do I stand in terms of the times I have been driven to absolute distraction and hit my husband? That's physical domestic abuse by me towards him, isn't it? I don't have a leg to stand on in that department. I daren't use the word abuse because I have shouted terrible things at him and thrown things and whacked him - that's abuse by me towards him. I am mortified and it is utterly distasteful and shameful that I did it, and I haven't done it for absolutely ages

What you describe is called 'violent resistance'. Many women don't take domestic abuse lying down but fight back.

It can be self defence, it can be frustration, it can be retaliation.

If he wasn't abusive you wouldn't do it. It's born of the fucked up situation you're in.

Sistersofmercy101 · 24/08/2017 23:10

I agree with the pp ^... You hit out as a form of self defence against the psychological torture that's being meted out to you.
Your husband does NOT do things for the purpose of making you feel better, feel secure or loved or happy. He only EVER acts out of self interest. You cannot change this. He will NEVER say sorry (and actually mean it) because he will never accept that he is in the wrong. He will only ever say "sorry" or act sorry or act nice - to get you to relax and let your guard down. He knows what he is doing.
OP I'm saying this to you because you may (being a kind, caring, normally empathy capable human being) you may feel sorry for him... DON'T. You can't afford to because he will use that to hook you in AGAIN, to twist it so that you are in the wrong, he's the victim, you'll feel so guilty and you'll question your character, your integrity, your sanity and he'll have you exactly where he wants you, totally dependant on him.
I wish you and your children all the best and good luck for the journey ahead.

thestamp · 24/08/2017 23:14

All this energy you spend on feeling sorry for your husband, a grown man, a father several times over, who has all the money and resources in the world to address his terrible behavior...

Could you perhaps redirect that energy to feeling sorry for your poor children? Who are right now trapped in a sort of hell similar to what your H suffered when he was a child? Who have no control, no-one standing up for them and protecting their mental health?

Your H can look after himself very easily.
He is a grown man.
Your children need your sympathy, not him.
Staying in the home and letting them witness the absolute contempt he has for you... you're spitting in their faces by letting them see that.

Sistersofmercy101 · 24/08/2017 23:21

Steady on thestamp... The OP is dealing with a very manipulative person here - it's easy to see when you aren't in the situation, but give the lady a damn break - she's reaching out for support!!
OP please, keep reaching out - if nothing else, a second set of eyes on the situation could help, having anothers perspective can help clarify what you think, even if you disagree.
But please believe in yourself - you're a decent person!

Loopytiles · 25/08/2017 06:26

Lundy Bancroft might be good on separating sympathy fornDH's problem upbringing with understanding that this doesn't excuse his abusiveness.

MissCommunication · 25/08/2017 09:35

DH is this morning barely talking to me and is cross with me. Why? Because I was in the shower and he put his hand in to pinch my bum and I got a fright because I had my back to him. He then came in from the other side and started touching me again and I said please I'd like 5 minutes where no one is touching me. Cue muttering and then he took DD out of bathroom muttering about leaving leaving mummy in peace. Bastard. Why am I not allowed a couple of minutes by myself and if I ask for it I'm a shit?

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PickAChew · 25/08/2017 10:01

it's because he's a selfish twat who treats you like a possession, Miss

Stay strong and stay angry with him Brew

PickAChew · 25/08/2017 10:02

Also, if he had a decent bone in his body, he wouldn't want his loved ones to have the same shitty childhood he had, but no, he's giving you and his DC all that and more.

Loopytiles · 25/08/2017 10:13

That was a sexually abusive thing for him to do. Horrible.

Alittlepotofrosie · 25/08/2017 11:38

Yep he's sexually abusive. He's now going to punish you for daring to say no. Do you often say no to him groping you?

mathanxiety · 25/08/2017 12:46

Because he has absolutely no boundaries (and that is why sexual abuse of your children is also a possibility).

Wrt lashing out - you are a victim of crazymaking.