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Speeding husband...our problems are all my fault

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MissCommunication · 12/08/2017 10:20

I don't know how or where to start. I've got another thread going about my DH driving really fast in Germany with the kids and I in the car and about his general fast driving. There is a lot else going on in our marriage and we are at a crisis point after I broached the subject of the speeding last weekend and he blew his top.

Our relationship has always been tricky. When we met he was going through a messy divorce and there was loads going on with his DD (then 9) and exW and we really suffered. I was told I made no effort and contributed a lot to the acrimony. DH (we got married 6 years ago, got together 8 years ago) has always made me feel like I do things wrong. An example early in our relationship was me going out for dinner for a friend's birthday supper. I gave an ETA not REALLY knowing how evening was going to pan out but sent regular updates becuase it was a ten course tasting menu and it was running over massively. When I got home the house was dark and he was "asleep"...you could cut the atmosphere in the bedroom with a knife and he wouldn't talk to me. Eventually told me how rude, selfish and inconsiderate I was for being later than I said.

I was training hard to get to the Olympics and he was very supportive, practically and financially (significant because I became reliant on him and have no savings of my own) and he was also dealing with a lot. I tried to be as supportive as I could but the situation became untenable and I ended it. He went ALL out to repair it so I went back. My Olympic dream shattered but a few weeks later I found out I was pregnant. Around the same time my best friend, who is a very opinionated, strong-willed and black and white person, was cut out from our lives because things blew up around her feeling he was controlling me and trapping me, and he felt she was getting in too close and was destructive. Basically he told me I wasn't to have any contact with her, which left me without my friends because she was an integral part of my group of friends and I wasn't able to see them naturally and normally. Feeling depressed and hormonal and alone throughout pregnancy and baby days, I became very unwell. I wasn't sleeping with the baby and DH was training for an Ironman. It was a terrible spiral and I became more and more depressed. When I saw my friend in the street I mentioned it to DH because I was afraid he'd find out and be angry and I felt it best to be up front, and he went off, I was begging and sobbing and so it went on, self harming and crying and not sleeping and generally awful. One day it all got too much as it was happening so often and I decided to end it all. Attempt 1. A few weeks later I tried again in my car but bottled it. To my complete and utter shame, I had also lashed out at DH and walloped him in sheer and utter frustration and hopelessness. That was unforgiveable. I felt driven into such a corner and bashing myself around the head on brick walls, rolling pins, fists, anything that came to hand was just as bad. I must say that I have never ever hurt or touched the children. Ever.

Anyway, I got medication and started to feel much better and drink a lot less. Things didn't improve in terms of the rows but I harmed less. A friend took her own life through hanging and it was a terrible shock, and I connected with DH a bit more through the sadness, although only a few weeks previously I'd planned to leave him. Cue unexpected pregnancy. I was in turmoil about whether to keep the baby given the terrible state of our marriage but I wrote a letter to him and really laid it on the line that I was choosing it and we choose each other, warts and all. He didn't acknowledge it really although we were in counselling (not that it has made much difference).

The pregnancy somehow reset me and I am no longer depressed or medicated. I am strong and feel so much better. Baby is now 1 year old and a petal. I have committed not to fight or shout in front of the children after DS (aged 5) called me a nasty woman and there's only one place he heard that. DH blames me for everything...says I don't cope, can't cope, treat him badly, treat the children badly, am inconsistent, my behaviour is disgusting etc etc. I admit that I have done things wrong. I have been moody at 8am when DH comes bouncing down the stairs at 8am when I've been up with one or both kids and the day has started at 5am for me. I wasn't given the support with DS (first baby) and felt so alone with no network around me - our families live far away (Brazil and Africa and nearest family is 2 hours away) but I am doing so much better now in every way. I admit that when DH does things that anger me such as fuck about on his phone for hours while I deal with the children and then blames me for preventing him from spending time with them, I don't talk about it and bottle it up which is probably why he says I'm nasty and moody and treat him badly.

I've done things wrong and have my flaws. I can't write any more because I never get time to myself and kids are playing up and DH will be back soon and my window of opportunity has gone now. I've left so much out but tried to be balanced. I'm sorry if this is garbled. I've not given the story from last night as I can't right now but wil update when I next get a chance.

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PickAChew · 04/09/2017 16:17

Real physical harm, that is - the emotional harm is already apparent.

blaukop · 04/09/2017 16:41

Good god. To think that, after reading the daily fail article, the very same thing was done, i.e. putting his hands around your throat. Words fail me.

ScabbyHorse · 04/09/2017 16:55

Not that I'm an expert but he sounds borderline with the speeding and black and white thinking. I've become anxious reading this as it reminds me of previous relationships and it's clear you are in danger. Please think about getting out.

EasyToEatTiger · 04/09/2017 20:36

MissCommunication, you have wasted nobody's time. I posted here years ago and everyone was saying Leave The Bastard! It's not straightforward. My husband is for now in 'normal' mode. It can't undo what he's done or what will happen next. It can take time to unravel for yourself. You've made a start. I absolutely understand the denial and the feeling of safety. Something will snap, but perhaps it just hasn't snapped yet.Flowers

mathanxiety · 04/09/2017 21:23

A man who puts his hand on your throat is more likely to end up killing you.

He is conditioning you, and he is gratifying some urge of his own when he does this to pull you closer.

Go and get a coil fitted.
Or go on the Pill.

Have you called Women's Aid yet?

MissCommunication · 04/09/2017 21:34

I can't get through to WA. And I've had no chance to talk without kids around...I don't want to discuss any of this in front of them. I use a sort of code with DM and DSis but it can only last so long. DS starts school on Wednesday so I'll have more chance when he's there. I'll also be able to get some counselling.

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EasyToEatTiger · 04/09/2017 22:25

Leave a mesage. They will get back to you, If you're not in immediate danger, call 101 for the police. Please start recording this behaviour. Please start safeguarding yourself and your children. My daughther has been waving flags for years/

mathanxiety · 04/09/2017 22:45

Yes, leave a message. Tell them a time you might be able to talk. There is also a WA e-mail contact address so you could send an e-mail and communicate that way.

nauticant · 05/09/2017 08:57

Please start recording this behaviour.

This is a good idea. I'd set up an email account that isn't made to be accessible on your phone and whenever something happens that concerns you, send a brief (or longer) email summarising what happened. And then delete the sent email from the sending account.

MissCommunication · 05/09/2017 09:17

Hi
Yes I've been logging everything by sending it to my sister and then deleting it. She's got a folder with it all. It's a good 3 months' worth now. I need to read it all and see the patterns (I know them anyway but a useful exercise).

This morning both kids were in bed with us and he got my hand and put it under the duvet onto his morning glory. I took my hand away and said not in front of the children and that I've never liked it when he does it. Normally I'd not feel I could say no but thanks to you lot I had the strength. I'm hoping he's sensing a change.

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CiderwithBuda · 05/09/2017 09:27

Has he always been sexually inappropriate in front of th children or is it recent?

cueless · 05/09/2017 09:33

what mananxiety says. hands on the throat is a sign that he is a dangerous man and you and your children are more or less in immediate danger. Contact your domestic abuse helpline and/or womansaid to discuss how you can get away.
I never believed mumsnet when they told me that my ex could become physical. He did and I had a very lucky escape. It's real. Don't wait.

GreenTulips · 05/09/2017 09:41

Stop putting off the inevitable

My father was abusive and us kids knew it! Mum left with nothing and we moved in with grandma

It was the best thing she ever did and we are grateful she did it even now 40 years later.

She was a mess for a long time but we were free and happy.

We had each other and were safe

Please pack your bags and move out

ItsNachoCheese · 05/09/2017 09:54

I really hope you and the dc can be free of this monster soon

iknowimcoming · 05/09/2017 10:46

Keep trying to get through to womens aid. You say you're hoping he's sensing a change - most of us are really hoping he's not. You think that him sensing a change will make things better, that he'll improve, become the man you wish he was. We're all thinking that him sensing a change will be potentially very dangerous for you and your dc and that he will reveal the man that he truly is. Don't wait for that, get out now, while you still can, it will be tough but you won't regret it. Flowers

Alittlepotofrosie · 05/09/2017 11:36

I think he's crossing the line (or very close to) into sexual abuse of the children. Im not an expert but reading that last post made my blood run cold. He's got no personal boundaries or sense of what's appropriate.

Ive just looked at the nspcc website. It defines non contact sexual abuse as of point being "encouraging a child to watch or hear sexual acts". I think you need to look extremely carefully at what else he does around or to the children.

Cambionome · 10/09/2017 17:03

How's it going today, op? Flowers

MissCommunication · 13/09/2017 22:44

Hi Cambio et al

Thanks for asking...I'm ok. Things are very calm at the moment, have been for nearly two weeks which is some kind of record...however it seems as though there's a change of tack going on. DS started school last Weds and DH walks him in on the way to work as it is quite convenient. When DH was explaining this he said that when he's here that he would walk him in and I would collect but if he's away on business "Mummy will get rid of you". J picked up on that straight away and made a point of that not being true (it was said "jokingly). Poor wee lad...he's having a big adjustment going to big school full time after maximum 3.5 days a week at a lovely gentle nursery and then his silly arse father says something like that. Then yesterday DS was crying before school saying he wanted a break and was tired and wanted to be at home. I was dealing with it and DH said if you whine can you whine quietly. THEN this morning DS was crying again and I was saying that he would miss out all the fun at school and I made jokes about boring chores and weeding the garden...DH said yes mummy will be busy she will lock you in a cupboard and only let you out for the toilet. Again I made sure DS didn't think anything of it but the more I think about it the more worried I get on several levels...

  • is he laying foundations for false child abuse claims against me?
  • is he trying to turn the children against me so any contact will be weighted against me due to fitness as a mother
  • is he trying to scare me?

I am scared and worried about the effect this has on a tiny boy's mind. It's messing with his head, surely? FWIW I know I parent gently and mindfully and go out of my way to make sure that I am the best mother I can never whilst raising responsible and kind children. I don't punish or hit bit use natural consequences that have real meaning and logic to my child. DH can go to fucking hell for doing this to our boy.

Should I log it with my SHL? My DSis says J should.

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GreenTulips · 13/09/2017 22:54

Well it won't do any harm!

Kids are generally quite truthful

I mean 'did mummy lock you in a cupboard? - no daddy said she would

Did mummy say she would? No

But by all means keep posting emails to your sister about incidents to keep records

MissCommunication · 19/09/2017 15:44

Hi all

Well I've taken your advice and had a cool fitted today. There is such a lot whirling around my head. I'm in a lot of pain (I wasn't expecting that) and I just want to be comforted by my husband...I want him to hold and look after me because i feel so fragile after having it fitted. But it's because of him I've had it done. I feel so conflicted.

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MissCommunication · 19/09/2017 15:46

Coil I mean 😉

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EasyToEatTiger · 19/09/2017 16:38

It's not very nice having a coil fitted. Do you have adequate painkillers? The pain will pass. Just make sure you see your doc if it doesn't go within a day or 2.

MissCommunication · 20/09/2017 09:42

Peace doesn't last long around here. Two incidents in the past 16 hours have kick started a strengthening of resolve for me. Last night DH was putting some furniture together in DS' room with DS helping. I knocked gently just to say hi and see how they were getting on. DH just said "No" in very rude voice so I didn't say anything becsuse ge was so short with me. Then he said "What? What do you want?", again very rudely so I said "oh nothing". Cue muttering and saying how I'm always arsey and horrible (with DS right there).

Then this morning DH was late up. I was giving DC breakfast and he came into dining room with a toy sheep which he used to tickle baby's nose and then he stood up and without a word just threw the sheep towards me and it hit me in the face. It wasn't hard or aggressive per se but I didn't like it. So I held the sheep and just looked at him...up until this moment he hadn't said a single word to me. Cue a load of crap about how horrible I am and how he can get distance anything around here and how nasty it is. I said I just didn't like having a sheep thrown in my face..."oh you don't like anything blah blah blah ". Same old shit I've been hearing for nearly ten years. I'm sure he thought year was being funny with the sheep, he said the sheep was only saying hello, but I didn't like it. I didn't make a fuss but i did silently make it clear it was not ok and it was twisted around to make it my fault yet again. Was I supposed to thank him and snog him for having basically hit me in the face - deliberately or by accident?

He is off his onion. I'm getting my finances sorted and looking at all bank stuff I can find over the next couple of days because I know he significantly reduced his earnings for his last divorce. I need to be able to prove what goes in and out of his account. I'm sure he has other accounts that he's paperless with but to be honest even just what he puts through the account I can see will prove he should be more than able to support his kids and me. He has hobbled me and my earning capacity is very low right now. I'm a SAHM and do 99% of childcare as he's also not particularly present at the weekend, either doing his hobby, preparing for it, tinkering equipment or tired from training or too ill to train and therefore on the sofa "resting". I have taken my 2 hours on a Sunday morning but that's about it really. He also trains of an evening unless he's too tired (in which case he is on the sofa while I potter doing dinner and laundry and tidying...then he has the gall to tell me I don't talk to him...I have said why not come abdelrahman talk while I do dinner but he complains he's too cold or something) or travelling on business.

It feels like he is provoking me to gauge my reaction. He's routinely sleeping in another room now. We haven't had sex in a couple of months as a result (which is fine by me) but I do wonder if he might go looking elsewhere. I don't think I'd blame him tbh 😉

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nauticant · 20/09/2017 18:50

It's clear to anyone reading your posts that if you don't escape he will grind you down into the dirt leaving you with no self-confidence and no energy to do anything other than scrape through each day coping with his abuse.

The kind of environment you describe is setting up your kids to learn and completely internalise the lesson that men should be abusers and women are for abusing.

I hope you find the energy to work out an escape plan and then actually manage to leave.

Cambionome · 20/09/2017 22:31

Oh God. He's getting worse and worse. I'm quite shocked by your update. Sad Throwing something and hitting you in the face with it? That's awful behaviour, even though he tries to make it out to be a joke.

Honestly, he sounds positively unhinged - I think he's playing with you in a really unkind way. You need to get out before this all starts to affect your mental health. Flowers