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Speeding husband...our problems are all my fault

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MissCommunication · 12/08/2017 10:20

I don't know how or where to start. I've got another thread going about my DH driving really fast in Germany with the kids and I in the car and about his general fast driving. There is a lot else going on in our marriage and we are at a crisis point after I broached the subject of the speeding last weekend and he blew his top.

Our relationship has always been tricky. When we met he was going through a messy divorce and there was loads going on with his DD (then 9) and exW and we really suffered. I was told I made no effort and contributed a lot to the acrimony. DH (we got married 6 years ago, got together 8 years ago) has always made me feel like I do things wrong. An example early in our relationship was me going out for dinner for a friend's birthday supper. I gave an ETA not REALLY knowing how evening was going to pan out but sent regular updates becuase it was a ten course tasting menu and it was running over massively. When I got home the house was dark and he was "asleep"...you could cut the atmosphere in the bedroom with a knife and he wouldn't talk to me. Eventually told me how rude, selfish and inconsiderate I was for being later than I said.

I was training hard to get to the Olympics and he was very supportive, practically and financially (significant because I became reliant on him and have no savings of my own) and he was also dealing with a lot. I tried to be as supportive as I could but the situation became untenable and I ended it. He went ALL out to repair it so I went back. My Olympic dream shattered but a few weeks later I found out I was pregnant. Around the same time my best friend, who is a very opinionated, strong-willed and black and white person, was cut out from our lives because things blew up around her feeling he was controlling me and trapping me, and he felt she was getting in too close and was destructive. Basically he told me I wasn't to have any contact with her, which left me without my friends because she was an integral part of my group of friends and I wasn't able to see them naturally and normally. Feeling depressed and hormonal and alone throughout pregnancy and baby days, I became very unwell. I wasn't sleeping with the baby and DH was training for an Ironman. It was a terrible spiral and I became more and more depressed. When I saw my friend in the street I mentioned it to DH because I was afraid he'd find out and be angry and I felt it best to be up front, and he went off, I was begging and sobbing and so it went on, self harming and crying and not sleeping and generally awful. One day it all got too much as it was happening so often and I decided to end it all. Attempt 1. A few weeks later I tried again in my car but bottled it. To my complete and utter shame, I had also lashed out at DH and walloped him in sheer and utter frustration and hopelessness. That was unforgiveable. I felt driven into such a corner and bashing myself around the head on brick walls, rolling pins, fists, anything that came to hand was just as bad. I must say that I have never ever hurt or touched the children. Ever.

Anyway, I got medication and started to feel much better and drink a lot less. Things didn't improve in terms of the rows but I harmed less. A friend took her own life through hanging and it was a terrible shock, and I connected with DH a bit more through the sadness, although only a few weeks previously I'd planned to leave him. Cue unexpected pregnancy. I was in turmoil about whether to keep the baby given the terrible state of our marriage but I wrote a letter to him and really laid it on the line that I was choosing it and we choose each other, warts and all. He didn't acknowledge it really although we were in counselling (not that it has made much difference).

The pregnancy somehow reset me and I am no longer depressed or medicated. I am strong and feel so much better. Baby is now 1 year old and a petal. I have committed not to fight or shout in front of the children after DS (aged 5) called me a nasty woman and there's only one place he heard that. DH blames me for everything...says I don't cope, can't cope, treat him badly, treat the children badly, am inconsistent, my behaviour is disgusting etc etc. I admit that I have done things wrong. I have been moody at 8am when DH comes bouncing down the stairs at 8am when I've been up with one or both kids and the day has started at 5am for me. I wasn't given the support with DS (first baby) and felt so alone with no network around me - our families live far away (Brazil and Africa and nearest family is 2 hours away) but I am doing so much better now in every way. I admit that when DH does things that anger me such as fuck about on his phone for hours while I deal with the children and then blames me for preventing him from spending time with them, I don't talk about it and bottle it up which is probably why he says I'm nasty and moody and treat him badly.

I've done things wrong and have my flaws. I can't write any more because I never get time to myself and kids are playing up and DH will be back soon and my window of opportunity has gone now. I've left so much out but tried to be balanced. I'm sorry if this is garbled. I've not given the story from last night as I can't right now but wil update when I next get a chance.

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thisfamily · 30/08/2017 13:58

he gets a buzz from pulling the puppets' strings and watching the reaction.

Cambionome · 30/08/2017 14:07

So pleased to hear that your appointment with the solicitor was helpful.

Well done - you are getting there. StarStarStar

thestamp · 30/08/2017 16:37

Gosh I am so happy to hear about the solicitor.

The first step is the hardest. You've just taken it. That means you can do this. You have just proven yourself.

Regarding DH shenanigans. Stuff some cotton in your ears, tie yourself to the mast, sing loudly to keep up your courage up, and just ride out the storm. It can't last forever.

He thinks he's very powerful. But all you need do to defeat him is grit your teeth and turn your gaze towards yourself and DC x Courage OP

thisfamily · 30/08/2017 17:20

Definitely, you are doing great!
Re ex: your only power is to disengage from the game.

MissCommunication · 30/08/2017 19:03

Oh thank you all so much.

I'm seriously doubting myself at the moment. I'm staying with my family for two nights and I passed by DH office so he could say bye to the kids...he kissed me and hugged me and told me how much he loves and fancies me and that he will miss me. It is just awful because this is the relationship I thought I was signing up for but who knows how long this lovely patch will last.

What do I say to him when the time comes? SHL doesn't advise me and DC leaving. Most likely scenario is us all living under same roof until it's sorted. I just don't think I can just announce it. I almost have to wait for a catalyst. But what?

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thisfamily · 30/08/2017 19:33

Yes it is tough, but don't let the fog cloud your judgement. it is better to announce it to the children in your own terms. My ex took it in his own hands, "your mum has decided to leave us". I just had to face the facts and the disastrous consequences on my kids who still think I am the one who caused it all, and not their dad's behaviour.

mathanxiety · 30/08/2017 19:42

He might just as well have said 'rhubarb rhubarb rhubard blibbety blibbety blibbety'. He does not feel what he says he feels.

This is not a lovely patch. It is him blowing smoke in your face and all about his own feelings about something most likely not related to you at all, but he will of course see you relaxed and rejoice in the power he has over you all the same.

Call Women's Aid to get advice on how to proceed. They are the experts in this situation. They have immense experience dealing with the practicalities of situations like yours, and with providing counselling and moral support for you.

NettleTea · 30/08/2017 20:04

If he starts causing problems you can get him removed. If you say you are separating then he has no right to touch you, to harass you, to come into your room (get locks for your doors). One warning, then phone police and get an occupation / non mol order

NettleTea · 30/08/2017 20:04

and yes, womens aid

MissCommunication · 30/08/2017 20:55

Ok...so mathanxiety you say he's probably feeling good about something else. A few weeks ago we were meeting a family for Sunday lunch. We were trying to find a suitable pub and there is a good one with a big playe area ten mins from us. I suggested it and he wouldn't entertain the idea. Now. I happened to know that the landlady is a young ish woman (FYI I'm 39, DH 46) and when DH was married to his ex this woman worked for him and he had an affair with her for a year...from what I hear they used to meet at work early and have sex. Anyway, knowing this I just said oh just know X works there but I don't have a problem if you don't. No response. Then independently from me the wife of family suggested same pub and I put it to DH again and he said find somewhere else. Just wouldn't engage.

I know that he met her when we briefly split a few years ago but he has never admitted it or even engaged with a conversation about it (we were on a break 😉 so actually none of my business really). It just seems really odd that he just won't even have a family meal there. Or AIBU?

Am I looking for something that's not there?

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Loopytiles · 30/08/2017 21:57

So as well as all the other things he's got form for cheating?!

Sounds like he doesn't want to risk any negative reaction from a former OW.

Most people, getting back together with their partner (or husband?) would want to know if their partner had shagged others, and who. Would not have been at all U to ask, at the time.

Why did you take the DC to say bye to him at work when going away for a very short time? Did he request this? Odd and unusual IMO.

EasyToEatTiger · 30/08/2017 23:10

My husband was shagging around with his first wife too. Mostly prostitutes but the odd unpaid women as well. It may be helpful for you to know her full name for when you go to the police.

MissCommunication · 31/08/2017 21:10

Don't read the Daily Fail buy my DM saved this article for me and I've just found the online version. Pretty much sums up my relationship.

www.you.co.uk/man-controlling-warning-signs-look/

Anyway. It's what we all know. Still wobbling and struggling and not wanting to this. Just want the marriage I thought I was going to get. Not a shitstorm.

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mathanxiety · 01/09/2017 05:55

I wonder if he is still involved with her.

Doesn't really matter. The relationship is toxic anyway, and that would be just the cherry on top.

MissCommunication · 01/09/2017 18:42

Feeling apprehensive enough about coming home after our (lovely, uncomplicated) two nights away. Was sitting at the table giving the kids supper and dh came home. Gave kids kiss...said to DS if you give me a kiss I'll help you with one of your chips. Came to me and said if you give me a kiss I'll help you with lots of sex. I put my hands over my face. I didn't like it. So he said yeah that's just the response I'd expect. I said do you know how pressurising it feels. He said realistically you are not pressurised. Then he humped off. Came back a few minutes later and sat at table again. We all just carried on as normal.

I just plain didn't like it but I was wrong for saying so. I feel so awful. Like I rejected him. But I also didn't want the first thing he said to be about sex. It IS pressurising. No matter how low level...isn't it?

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petalsandstars · 01/09/2017 19:36

Yuck - first thing he said is sex and in front of your child!! Angry

MissCommunication · 01/09/2017 19:37

Erm yes. In front of both DC.

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Alittlepotofrosie · 01/09/2017 20:23

Oh god he's disgusting. You just don't say stuff like that in front of children.

mathanxiety · 03/09/2017 08:01

This is massively disrespectful to you and your children alike.

He is crossing lines with all of you.

I know you do not want to think that your children are in any danger from him sexually, but he exposed them to the word 'sex', right in front of you. Crossing lines is what predators do, and it matters nothing to them what form their demonstration of power takes. Every barrier he breaks through is a victory for him. But he has chosen the realm of sex to break barriers here. That is significant for you and for the children.

Does he often turn a kiss from the children into a sort of transaction as he did here?

He is a danger to the children, MissC.

www.toddlertime.com/sam/22.htm
...the narcissist perceives sex in terms of annexation. The partner is "assimilated" and becomes an extension of the narcissist, a fully controlled and manipulated object. Sex, to the narcissist, is the ultimate act of depersonalization and objectification of the other. He actually masturbates with other people's bodies...

...Narcissists accord the same treatment to children and adults. They regard both as sources of narcissistic supply, mere instruments of gratification - idealize them at first and then devalue them in favour of alternative, safer and more subservient, sources. Such treatment is traumatic and can have long-lasting emotional effects.

The narcissist's inability to acknowledge and abide by the personal boundaries set by others puts the child at heightened risk of abuse - verbal, emotional, physical, and, often, sexual. His possessiveness and panoply of indiscriminate negative emotions - transformations of aggression, such as rage and envy - hinder his ability to act as a "good enough" parent. His propensities for reckless behaviour, substance abuse, and sexual deviance endanger the child's welfare, or even his or her life.

MissCommunication · 04/09/2017 10:42

Hi all.

Not been able to post for a few days.

Math yes, he often trades hugs and kisses. I've never thought anything of it. I come from the standpoint with the children that they don't have to hug or kiss anyone if they don't want to. It's their body, their choice. Funnily enough I clearly don't apply the same principle to me.

On Saturday I had a migraine for the first time in years. A proper blind eye, face numb, vomiting migraine. I used to get them regularly years ago when I was very stressed with teaching and Olympic training etc. DH was actually great. I went bed for an hour or so while he gave kids supper, then got baby into pj's and brought her to me in bed to feed and settle so I was grateful. But Sunday was tricky...I'd asked to sleep until.the time I'd normally be back from my sport as I was really not well. DD woke up sports I gave her to him as he was already up. Both DC had me up in the night on top of migraine and DS was still sleeping in my bed having come in at 5am. When I got up 2 hours later DH hadn't given baby breakfast or even a sip of water. He said he was waiting for DS to wake up. I said sometimes best to crack on with feeding the children. I said she's thirsty and needs a drink.... he retorted something about having had three children so I sad why didn't you do it then. Went off on a rant about me changing rules and times to suit me and how unreasonable I am etc. I ignored and he came back a few minutes later all hugs and kisses. Then later in the day baby was choking and I asked him to give her a drink as she was on my back. He said where's the cup send I said I pdknt know because you packed the bag while I was dealing with her poo. He said don't get arsey (which I wasn't and said so), followed by telling me my attitude was bad or words to that effect. He also tried to tell me that we had discussed a picnic for the day out we were on (not sure when I was meant to do that during my migraine and unwell morning ) but we NEVER talked about a picnic. We hadn't planned food other than me packing some bits for DC and where we were was tricky and only took cash payments...my £10 wouldn't have cut it and DH had no cash either. So. It was all ok in the end but the same old gaslighting and manipulative bullshit.

I'm not ready to do it but I feel that ending it is inevitable. I can't see it happening for 6 months or more...I don't know how long I can avoid having to say no to sleeping with him. At the moment it's kind of easy to avoid.

Bah. Help. Sad

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Alittlepotofrosie · 04/09/2017 12:48

What barriers are there to you leaving? Why 6 months? Perhaps we can help you overcome them?

MissCommunication · 04/09/2017 14:58

Oh God I don't really know. I love him (or the him that was sold to me all those years ago and who I still have frequent glimpses...some fleeting and some long-lasting...of). I love the family I (thought) I have. I'm holding on to our life. I don't want to do it. I'm now worried about the children.

All this and still knowing that there are such bad things wrong. If anyone read the Daily Fail article I posted, the last red flag listed is the controller putting hands on your neck. He does this very often to me and I have never ever read anything untoward into it...conditioned into not realising potentially. He has never done it in anger or during an argument, but often whilst being tender and loving and going in for a kiss, he will hold my throat and gently bring me closer to him. After reading that I didn't feel comfortable so when he did it to me yesterday or the day before I took his hand away and said I don't like it, it makes me uncomfortable. He said "so you don't like being strangled then ha ha" (jokey tone, just like when he said "ha ha I'll just have to kill you...how do you dispose of a body? ha ha").

So I'm massively in denial on the one hand and lucid on the other. I'm just not ready. You've all been just so brilliant and helpful and I feel like I've wasted all your time. Sad

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Alittlepotofrosie · 04/09/2017 15:32

Shock he puts his hands around your throat?!

That's serious. Really serious. The kind and loving man is not him. That's am act designed to get you back into line. This man is evil and dangerous and he's controlling the entire family. You are starting to see this though which is good. He's giving you the nicer side to try and reel you back in but he's still slipping such as the sex comment in front of your child and talking to you like you're a naughty child. Even the parts where he's being "nice" sound awful.

nauticant · 04/09/2017 15:39

Reading from the start of this thread I've also have had an increasing sense that this man could well be dangerous.

PickAChew · 04/09/2017 16:17

His hand on throat act makes me shiver. He's a sadistic bastard and probably capable of causing you or your DC some real harm.