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Please help me get my head around this

162 replies

ACrapDay · 08/06/2017 14:31

Quick summary, no drip feeding.

DH has just returned (Tuesday) from a trip to Thailand. He went on his own. DH goes away once a year on his own as he runs his own business, which often necessitates working incredibly long hours and eventually the stress builds up and he needs a break. I have always supported this, as he is no fun once the stress mounts, and we can end up clashing a lot. He suffers badly from Seasonal affective disorder in the winter months, which compounds the problem

He went to Thailand last year and this was his second trip, which did raise some concerns in my head as he never visits the same place twice, but I squashed the thought.

So here I am this morning. I pick up his dirty travel clothes and I check all his pockets before loading the washing machine. In one of his short pockets I find 3 unused condoms.

DH had the snip 6 years ago. We haven't used condoms save once, 2 years ago because It was close to my time of the month, and I didn't want to take a chance.

Coincidentally, I found two additional condoms in his bottom drawer last week, but assumed they were old (part of the packet 2 years ago). I haven't had a chance to compare the numbers on the wrapper to see whether these are part of the same packet and he intentionally took them, or whether they are new, and he brought them when on his trip.

I am completely numb and in a strange suspended reality. I cannot compute what this means. Its like someone asking what colour the sky is and I know its blue but cannot say it.

Please help me clarify this. He's upstairs and is going to work soon. Eldest DS is here (only going in for A-levels exams), and I have a final deadline essay to give in for uni (today), which I'm trying to attend to but just cannot right now.

I genuinely have lost the ability to reason. Maybe it doesn't mean what I think it might? Help me think please.

OP posts:
ACrapDay · 08/06/2017 16:44

Without saying too much he teaches martial arts including kick boxing and self defence and teaches 3 times daily plus does admin, runs camps, etc. This is 3rd session of the day. He's back at 9.30pm. Then has his bath to unwind.

Previous trips have been Germany, France, Australia, South Korea, LA, New york, Las Vegas, Carribbean, Florida. He's always been eclectic. He has friends who run martial arts clubs in different places in the world and relatives in some of them. I've never had cause to be suspicious. He was cheated on before he met me and it affected him so badly he had counselling. He has repeatedly said how much cheating hurtsSad. My father's a serial philanderer with his partners, and he has always denounced his actions. This would be out of character, but I'm not putting it past him to have maybe been tempted this time.

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Orlandointhewilderness · 08/06/2017 16:47

It doesn't sound good OP to be honest.

Madeyemoodysmum · 08/06/2017 16:48

If totally out of character you may be able to work through this but it won't be easy. The key is if he will
Admit to it and accept the consequences and work through it too.

Obv if you felt YOU wanted to choose this path.

RandomMess · 08/06/2017 16:48
Flowers
UnicornSparkles1 · 08/06/2017 17:07

Bank statements is a good idea.

debbs77 · 08/06/2017 17:25

Blimey this is harsh! No advice. Even if he hasn't had sex with someone when out there then he certainly planned to

Findingmyfeetinflipflops · 08/06/2017 17:33

I found condoms in my husbands car and confronted him. Be prepared for every lie going. My H would admit to nothing saying he bought them for a friend and also he pressed the wrong button on the vending machine. After some detective work I found evidence of him having sex with escorts.

CondensedMilkSarnies · 08/06/2017 17:36

I wonder why Martial Arts is more popular in winter ?

BandeauSally · 08/06/2017 17:41

Maybe New Years resolutions, it's an indoor sport so maybe taking the place of outdoor sports during bad weather.

FeedMeAndTellMeImPretty · 08/06/2017 17:45

I'm not sure checking his phone will help in this situation - it's not like you suspect him of cheating with someone local who he can text - I imagine if it's sex tourism there will be no trail, probably paid cash or the name of the establishment will be random and can be passed off as a restaurant, a 'massage' for his de-stressing etc

Sorry I think all you can do is take the condoms as the only (and perfectly adequate) evidence you need and speak to him to see how he reacts. Do it face to face with no distractions or warnings (no "we need a talk later" type thing) and watch him closely. Flowers

ImperialBlether · 08/06/2017 18:03

Hang on, he has all those holidays on his own?

lalalala578 · 08/06/2017 18:15

Do you also have family or couple holidays? It must be well paid if he can go abroad twice a year. How stressful is his job? My husband job is high security in the Far East. Extremely stressful yet we can't afford a week in Blackpool.

magoria · 08/06/2017 18:29

The only reason to have condoms after the snip is because you are not sure of your sexual partner and are using them as an STI protection.

Unfortunately they do not protect against everything.

As he has been to places with such obscene sex trades I think you need to get yourself to an STI clinic and checked out as soon as you can.

ACrapDay · 08/06/2017 18:33

Right. So I have just gone and checked. And there really isn't any other possible explanation. It's actually worse. I went into the drawer where I checked the serial numbers from the couple of condoms from last week with the ones discovered this morning. The serial numbers do not match these ones. So there's no chance these were carry overs from our last tryst, that he somehow left in his shorts. He picked these condoms up in Thailand. They're a new batch.

WorseSad. He has unpacked new clothes he bought in the drawer. Under a few new shirts I found a draw string bag. A very small one I can only assume is made to conveniently carry condoms. It is stuffed full.

So he had some in a bag. And some on his person in his pockets. We don't need condoms. We virtually never need to use them. Certainly nowhere near that many if he was just collecting them for us. I am a complete fool. I can't stop crying.

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Mrsmadevans · 08/06/2017 18:41

You need more evidence OP something really rock solid that he can't explain away I am so sorry

CondensedMilkSarnies · 08/06/2017 18:44

That's pretty concert - so sorry Op.

What will you do ?

CondensedMilkSarnies · 08/06/2017 18:44

*concrete

LordBeefCurtain · 08/06/2017 18:46

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CondensedMilkSarnies · 08/06/2017 18:46

I can't believe he didn't think you'd find them

MrsHathaway · 08/06/2017 18:46

Can you give yourself space tonight? Are your y10 and y13 sons your only children, ie are you in a position to go out to see a friend/sister or go for a run or swimming or something to straighten things up in your head?

Echo pps re an urgent STI check.

What an utter bastard. I'm so sorry this has happened. And he cares so little he barely bothered to conceal it. Arse.

yetmorecrap · 08/06/2017 18:47

Im so sorry. what an absolute idiot. with regards to evidence, you would be suprised how stupid some can be. I found out about 11 year old "emotional affair" due to evidence in a drawer that he couldnt remember leaving there. You cant imagine they would be so negligent. Its going to be very hard for you to act normally but for the sake of your sons exams if you can it may be best to wait a couple of weeks before confronting if humanly possible.

gingertigercat · 08/06/2017 18:48

Oh I can't begin to imagine what you're going through.

I'd be very tempted to pack his bags and leave the condoms on top.

I don't think there can be any other explanation

CondensedMilkSarnies · 08/06/2017 18:49

I'd sit him down , place all the condoms in front of him and wait. Don't say a word- see how he reacts .

MrsHathaway · 08/06/2017 18:50

What's most disgusting is the likelihood he fucked a sex slave around the age of your children. What a prince.

Inneedofadvice20172234 · 08/06/2017 18:53

The constant holidays alone would raise my suspicions tbh

He clearly wanted you to find them im afraid. It's the cowards way of opting out of a marriage.