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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
AgathaF · 24/04/2017 12:47

I think getting some counselling for yourself is a good start.

Your husband is a complete tool. He's using your behaviour from when you were young to punish you now, even though you've changed. He see's you as a piece of the furniture, someone to clean and cook and provide childcare. He doesn't see you as an equal partner, someone to cherish and share his life with in any meaningful way. You can't make him change. You can only change you, become more confident and learn to love yourself enough to realise that this situation is shit, and that you can move on from it.

He doesn't have his 'own' money. You are married with a family, therefore it is family money, legally. You have as much right to it as he does.

You should book yourself a free half hour consultation with a solicitor, or maybe with a couple, to find out your options and get some advice. Frankly, his advice is shit (rather like him actually), so please don't listen to it. Don't tell him you're getting legal advice either. It's time to start playing your cards a bit closer to your chest.

Leave him to get on with his sad little texting habit. Get yourself down to the gym, get some counselling, use the time to do some things you enjoy. Stop sitting around waiting for crumbs of attention from him.

And as someone said upthread, those school mums who he flirts with will just think he's a creep. Which he is.

YrHenGi · 24/04/2017 13:05

If something is going on with his work 'friend' - or even if nothing's going on but her husband takes the same kind of view of their constant texting as you do and they split up - then the situation's likely to get a whole lot more complicated and chaotic. Forewarned is forearmed, OP; the advice to speak to Women's Aid or a solicitor about your options is really, really sound. You don't even have to do anything yet - you just need to know for certain that he's talking bollocks, and what you can do if things do suddenly go nuclear.

Because, be honest, even if he wasn't texting another woman right in front of you, day and night, how good does his attitude to you look, when you read it written down like this?

yetmorecrap · 24/04/2017 13:09

It isnt about you slimming or wearing lipstick or wearing your sexiest outfits or having a personality transplant, I hate to sound like Miranda on Sex and the City but I think "he just isnt that into you" . You sound an extremely nice person, you deserve someone who really "is" into you fully or peace and fun "on your own" and its suprsing that its often easier to make friends and do stuff when "on your own" as contact will mean you get some free childless time. (in theory) . I think you may find yourself suprisingly not that hard up when you check into it , if he works. Sorry to tell him but his needs come secondary as you have DC, the fact is your housing needs, child maintanance etc come first and Im not sure if you work or not but if you dont I would suggest you get on with that aspect too. Dont rush anything, see how you feel, dont move out . I also wouldnt tell him to stop, let him carry on and see if he stops of his own accord now he knows how you feel, if he does not, you have your answer as to how much of a shit he gives. if thats the case , get legal advice, photocopy any bank statements, wage slips etc, do all this discretely without alerting him that you are ready to tell him to pee off. Please dont feel guilty if he has to have a 1 bed flat etc (kids can sleep on air beds/sofa beds etc--it doesnt kill them. He is taking the piss big time and as I said, sadly I think he sees you as childcare and housekeeper. More fool him.

SparklyMagpie · 24/04/2017 15:59

I can't believe how he treats you and you're still trying to take the blame

Please ring women's aid. He didn't actually say did he when you told him you wanted to separate, that he didn't want that an wanted to work things out. He was more arsed on what effect that would have on him. An saying he'd make the children pick is quite frankly disgusting

This will sound harsh, but he doesn't give a shit op. He's got it made, the things he's said to you in regards to your appearance, sex etc it's all the things he wants but does fuck all to change anything to make you happy.

I actually find this quite sad. How would you feel if your daughter told you this?

Good luck with the GP and women's aid, you can get out if you really want to but too many excuses atm.

You cannot change him

user1483035736 · 24/04/2017 18:44

Contact Womens Aid. This is unquestionably emotional abuse.

MrsDoylesTeabags · 24/04/2017 20:08

OP I'm so sorry you're feeling this way. You sound terribly low, he's done a real number on you hasen't he?
Distance gives clarity and most times on these relationship threads you see an OP who is feeling completely miserable and you can see that the cause of the misery is the spouse but the OP can't see that, they think all the problems are caused by themselves. I't not you it's him. He's seen someone with low self confidence to start off with and preyed on that.
Please don't stay, he's very slowly destroying you and it will only get worse.
At the moment you seem to be overwhelmed by everything, try to take one step at a time to get some control back in your life. Request counselling for yourself alone. Do not have couples counselling, your husband is very manipulative and will use it to make you feel worse.
Contact Womens Aid here or 0808 2000 247
I really hope you find a way out of this, you seem such a lovely person and you deserve so much better

Properjob · 24/04/2017 23:32

Interesting advice re couples counselling...are counsellors not trained to spot that? I may be completely ignorant as I'm coming out of what my DM says is an emotionally abusive relationship, not sure myself Smile.
Best of luck Cheesy you will make the right decision for you, take advice from solicitor and women's aid.

Properjob · 24/04/2017 23:32

Interesting advice re couples counselling...are counsellors not trained to spot that? I may be completely ignorant as I'm coming out of what my DM says is an emotionally abusive relationship, not sure myself Smile.
Best of luck Cheesy you will make the right decision for you, take advice from solicitor and women's aid.

user1492849995 · 25/04/2017 00:16

I've pulled myself together today and joined the gym and been for my first session tonight. Husband has barely said a word, but I feel so much better already and if he's been messaging her, at least I haven't seen it. Husband was certainly confused when I said I'd joined a gym online and after the kids were in bed, I'm going out. It felt good though. I am hoping this positive mood continues tomorrow.

I will ring Women's Aid for advice tomorrow and I have my gp appointment on Thursday to hopefully get some support, although I hear there's long waiting lists for counselling. At least it will have got the ball rolling though.

In just one session tonight, I feel like I'm in control of something and I actually feel a little bit proud of the fact I've gone even with all this going on. If I can keep it up, I'm hoping this will be the focus need and also a good stress reliever. I'm determined tonight to not let my kids see me as a victim or a weak woman, because I'd hate for them to end up like this.

You lot have no idea just how much I appreciate all of the kind messages though and the support. Even though it's only online, it's the only place I have had to get things off my chest and you're the only support I have at the moment. It's been a massive help, so thank you!!! Xx

OP posts:
Mom2K · 25/04/2017 02:08

Ok, I didn't get all the way to the end of the post (I'd say 3/4 of the way) but it was more than enough to see that he is completely wrong.

It's rude to not return texts to friends? I'd say it's more rude to ignore the person who is in the same room as him. As a couple, you should have time together that doesn't get interrupted and that time should be valued by both.

And the way he is being with the texting is unhealthy and obsessive. I always reply to people I value, occasionally right away but usually within a few hours or even a day or two later. I never text someone all evening, unless it's been a member of the opposite sex that I've had an interest in, but even then I recognize that I shouldn't be texting so frequently.

I'd be livid in your situation. I don't by the "just a friend" thing. Why doesn't he have a male friend that he texts all evening until bed? And even if nothing is going on, it's still ultimately disrespectful to you. He doesn't care about how it's making you feel. He'd rather jeopardize his relationship with his wife than the meaningless 'friend.'

Been there done that. It's why I'm divorced. I have no time for selfish morons, which is exactly what your H is.

Atenco · 25/04/2017 02:32

That is great news about the gym, etc. Time to reclaim your life!

Expat38matt · 25/04/2017 05:56

OP regardless of the updates and what sounds from a skim read like an emotional affair (sorry) sitting texting someone constantly in front of someone else is just rude anyway! I have girlfriends who like to chat in the evening and I'll reply a bit but won't be constantly hooked onto my phone if I'm with my husband - it's just rude! If he was chatting over text, laughing at messages etc Id ask "who's that?" And not consider that controlling at all!!
Am about to RTWT but sounds like your problem is more than a rude DP and probably something more

AgathaF · 25/04/2017 08:59

Fantastic that you joined, and more importantly went, to the gym. Carry on with that and enjoy the rewards of seeing your body changing and growing stronger.

CheeseQueen · 25/04/2017 14:42

He said he was sorry this morning. Not for the texting but for the fact it upset me and said he definitely isn't in any relationship with her (or wanting to be
He might not be in a physical one, but he most definitely IS in, at the least, an emotional one.
I have male friends who I text.
I'm also happily married. No WAY would I be texting all hours of the day and night,and stuff like "nighty night" and "wakey wakey" in a morning. Who does that when not in a relationship or wanting it to become one?!

He said he does love me and now I've made an effort with my appearance, he is attracted to me again
Arsehole. Him, not you. If he truly loved you, he wouldn't CARE what your appearance looks like.
Plus, can't you see how he's putting you down all the time? Not only does he "only fancy you when you make an effort" Hmm, he doesn't give a shit that he's in constant flirty contact with another woman all the time up until it's time to go to bed and the first thing he does on getting up, and he compares you unfavourably to other women too.
FGS, get out now before he's completely ground you down into the mud.
(Oh, and I'm not a sad, bitter, lonely female before he starts.) I'm happily married, have male and female friends and go out.
I love men. The one you've landed yourself with? He's a total, utter cock.

Branleuse · 25/04/2017 14:55

He doesnt love you, He speaks to you with contempt. Im not sad or lonely, I have many good and close friends, and NONE of them do I text all evening or in the morning like that. Its inappropriate and crossing the line. No wonder youre so insecure. Id be bloody insecure too if my partner was showing preference to another woman over me.

IrianOfW · 25/04/2017 15:29

People who are physically present take precedence over people on the other end of the phone except in an emergency.

He is being an arse. Good for you for getting to the gym and taking back some control x

Branleuse · 25/04/2017 16:46

he wouldnt get the kids. They ALL say they will take the kids from you but it never happens. The children dont get to choose till theyre about 14

FluffyWhiteTowels · 26/04/2017 08:09

OP concentrate on yourself. Just yourself. It's fabulous you enjoyed your gym session and you've found the first thing to make you feel good about yourself. Now keep adding to the list.

Remember you'll ache worse the second day after gym

ravenmum · 26/04/2017 08:18

This was me three years ago. I thought I was being a horrible nag and he was a nice guy who would never do anything to hurt me. He was shagging her all along, from the very start, and my fears about myself being a nag kept me quiet while his behaviour got worse and worse.

user1492849995 · 26/04/2017 09:49

Well we had tears and a complete breakdown virtually from my husband yesterday. He even called in sick which is unheard of, especially as he's desperate to get this new job.

He said he knew deep down that he was being a shit and that genuinely, nothing is going on with this colleague but he felt like it was the first chance to be 'normal' again and actually have a friend that he got on with. He said he felt that he lost a lot of friends early on and accepts that it wasn't all my fault as some just moved on, but that my insecurities early on, made him distance himself from friends. He felt like he got on well with his colleague and because she's quite sociable too, that he might actually be able to have someone to chat to and just act silly with. I said he could do that with me and he said he just felt like he was having a bit of a breakdown and that I'm so stressed with kids and homelife is so hectic, that it was just nice to talk to someone about things that don't matter and feel young again. He has said that it isn't me making him feel old but the fact we're married with four kids and have no help so it's all on us. I understand that part as I often feel much older and the kids do make life difficult at times. We certainly get no 'couple' time, ever. We didn't sign up for this as we had family around us when we had the children and thought we'd have a bit of help.

We had a long chat yesterday and he said he does love me and really doesn't want to hurt me but that he's in self-destruct mode because he's also feeling low and doesn't want to burden me with it. He said he just felt that I wanted him to cease contact with this colleague and she's the only friend he's had to see on a regular basis in years. He's adamant that he doesn't fancy her and that he gets on well with her husband too and neither of them would ever go out socially without him there too or other colleagues.

He's gone to work again today and I'm going to the gym, but he does seem to want to work at it and has said he will reduce contact and have no contact at all once the kids are in bed.

I'm glad he's opened up to me eventually as he's a closed book most of the time. Still not entirely sure how I feel because a lot of the stress seems to be coming from family life and having no time to just be a couple. I get that completely and I wish we had that too, but havent any way of changing it, so not sure how we get past that.

It felt so strange yesterday to see him sobbing whilst I sat there as the calm one. It's always been the other way around, so maybe this is what we needed. I guess only time will tell.

I rang Women's Aid this morning and discussed everything with them and feel clearer on my options. I just wish I knew what to do. Yes he's not said anything til the eleventh hour and I don't know if this is all true and if we can actually move on from this, but he seems to need help as much as I do. I think getting together young and becoming grown-up very quickly has certainly taken its toll on our marriage, but until they're all grown up, I can't see any way of us spending time together alone.

Thanks for all the messages and support. This was my first ever post on this board but I'm so glad I posted and I'm so very grateful to everyone for trying to help me. Xx

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ravenmum · 26/04/2017 10:01

My ex used sob stories about his late mother to make me feel it was my fault - apparently he was talking about his recently dead mother with his workmate. It was a load of bollocks: I read their emails later, they were talking about sex fantasies and what they wanted to do to each other. He was using his dead mother to make it impossible for me to complain about his behaviour. I'd never have thought he would do something like that, as I believed he had strong morals. Not to say that your h. is lying, just that you should be very careful. Maybe he hasn't said anything until the last minute because it is only since he met this woman that he needs to find a reason why he doesn't get on with you.

I do hope you have a better experience than I did, and it turns out to be a near-miss that improves things. But watch out for The Script and don't let him guilt you into letting him get away with crap.

inlectorecumbit · 26/04/2017 10:10

I smell shit coming from your DH mouth.
He senses he is losing control and needs to find a way to get you back in line.
Keep up with your plans, make more time for you and what makes you happy, try getting a 1/2 hour free appointment with a solicitor. Find out exactly what your rights are in the event of a split.
Finally---phone your mum Flowers

CookieLady · 26/04/2017 10:27

Please don't fall for his crocodile tears! If he was truly sorry for upsetting you he'd have stop all contact. It's just a manipulative tool to get you back in line. Sad

gamerchick · 26/04/2017 10:38

Yep it's manipulation but at least you seem to be just keeping an eye on it rather than falling hook line and sinker for it.

Carry on with your life, so what if it's rattled him. He should have thought about that when he was taking you for granted.

justwait · 26/04/2017 10:41

I can't tell you how immature and unattractive I would find a man that did this.

I would have no interest in being with him at all.

It makes me tired just thinking about it.