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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
yetmorecrap · 01/05/2017 13:27

I will say that I think "clinginess' and living in each others pockets isnt attractive either, but thats a totally separate issue from over communicating individually with another woman. Its one reason I wouldnt have wanted loads of kids, I like time and space to myself, your husband may well do to, but if thats the case you either accept that or tell him all well and good and leave the kids with him sometimes and do something yourself independently. On the finances front, I think you are overthinking this. Do you own? if so do you have equity, because if so, and you are not working and worried about him paying mortgage and renting somewhere else, I would say sell up, use equity and rent somewhere yourself and same with him. Unless you have loads of spare cash you would then get housing benefit and he can contribute standard maintanance. What he can/cant afford then is up to him. If you want the marriage to continue its amazing how something like this may focus him, if he doesnt then really it comes down to whats doable. If he earns more, then whoopee you will get more. At the moment though if he genuinely would have nowhere to go, get the house on the market if its owned (I woud say you to stay in it but it may be that its not possible for him to pay mortgage and get somewhere else and you are not earning in order to take mortgage on) state the marriage is over as he is still putting xyz first but you will both stay in the house until its rented or he gets the other job and can sort somewhere else out.

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 14:11

The issue is that all of the equity would be swallowed up in no time with rent, as everything around here is expensive and if we have to move further away, the younger kids won't get places at the same school my others are at. We picked this area specifically to get the kids in a good school. And all that hard work spent earning the money for the house would be lost. I have no pension so that was meant to be our nest egg.

I think you're right about the kids. I think he feels like he's been made to grow up too soon and doesn't really enjoy family life. Our kids are at the age where they're hard work, always fighting or bickering and still need lots of looking after. The fact we don't have any help has made us both just parents.

I'll be honest and say I find parenting hard work sometimes and I wish I had some help. I know my husband finds it difficult and probably wishes he could just be a single lad with mates again, but I can't do it all alone while he has his midlife crisis. I take the kids on holidays and trips away alone, he never does and I can count on one hand the times he has even taken them to the park alone. I need a break but giving him full responsibility of them just stresses him out more and makes our relationship worse.

He comes in from work after I've done both school runs, have spent all day with the younger kids and cleaned up/cooked tea. He will then just want to go in the bath and soak. Then he'll eat his tea and sit texting. He used to take one of our children to his after school club once per week, but he's ended up missing it for a few weeks as my husband was too tired/couldn't be bothered and I was somewhere else with our other child so couldn't sort both.

He never plans anything exciting for any of us. Not a day trip, a fun day at home or anything. I have to do it all or we wouldn't do or go anywhere. Yet he's planned several trips out with his new colleagues and made most of them full-day events so he's away from lunch/early afternoon til midnight or beyond. It seems like he can't wait to suggest fun things to do with friends, but never does for us.

Even the kids said this morning that he always promises to take them places and do things with them but changes his mind or tries to palm them off with something that suits him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect and they have boring days with me too, where we don't do much, but I do try to think of nice things to do every few weeks at least and keep up with all of their after school clubs (as best I can). I just feel sad for us all, including the kids who are missing out and my husband who is clearly being forced to 'endure' us but I don't think he would sign up to do this family thing again.

I just feel like I'm being lumbered with it all and I didn't sign up for this either. I supposedly had family and a husband to support me when I had our children and now feel like it's just me. It's a hell of a lot of responsibility and I desperately don't want to resent the kids for it, but I feel like it's all on my shoulders.

OP posts:
yetmorecrap · 01/05/2017 14:26

Ok, I sympathise , I have only the 1 from this marriage but don't think my husband goes a bundle on kids days out either, he has been better since son was 14 upwards! (He is 19 now) one thing to mention is that unless you have an absolute ton of equity you do get housing benefit if renting even with decent savings if the 'monthly income in' is below the level '. (Lady time I looked it was about £6,000 for full and £16,000 for reduced. Sometimes needs must with areas etc!! And you know there are some great schools in some quite middling areas. If you are unhappy enough if he pulls the plug, you are going to have to consider options, so prepare yourself on that. He is going to be paying pretty high maintenance if he is a decent earner with 4 kids, I think he needs to know that if it gets nasty. Kids can share rooms etc, it won't kill them, honest!! Sometimes you have to grit your teeth and think I didn't sign up for this (I've had that this year ) but you may find that because he will have contact time, you do actually get time to yourself! (Which it doesn't seem you get at the moment). You are a bright lady, you are not being unreasonable, he clearly has a crush at minimum and is acting like a total twat!

ptumbi · 01/05/2017 14:46

OP please stop listening to him and giving his thoughts credence. He is full of 'hard done by' and 'other men get to..' and 'I do so-and-so and you should...'

He's talking crap, and he will have to come to some realisation when he is living in a studio flat, dc EOW and maybe a day in the week and he has no-one to moan to (apart from OW who will probably run a mile as soon as he becomes 'available' - to protect her own marriage)

I know it's hard with the kids, but they are half his too. He needs to provide for them, and not only financially.

Would it be possible to sell, and move further out where there are decent schools? And have all 4 in the same or nearby? People do. Or can you move to family? Where you may get support? Children do adapt.

Your marriage is well and truly killed off.

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 15:19

I could sell and move away but I'm estranged from family so still wouldn't have any help but also, I'd then be further away from my husband for visits as he works near home. I don't want to make it difficult for him to see the kids and have them miss out. I'd also have zero friends then and the kids would have to make new friends as they're currently really happy and settled in their school. I don't have close friends but I do know a few mums now and I go for coffee every few weeks, so it's a tiny chance to socialise.

I've worked out that maintenance, if I had to chase him, still wouldn't afford the kids any of their swimming lessons or after school clubs. The maintenance, a bit of child tax credit and child benefit would cover the gas and elec, water, house insurance, car tax and insurance, plus food/general shopping, pet insurance, dog food and school trips. With 4 children, their clothing bill for school alone is eye watering, plus shoes. I've also just signed up to the gym at another £40 a month 🙈 which I've now got to afford for 12 months. We've also got sky at £60 per month and have 8 months left to run on the contract.

My husband could afford to rent somewhere and pay his bills, mobile phone bill, car tax/insurance and food, but after maintenance, he wouldn't have much left to give us anything more.

If the boiler broke or an appliance packed in, we'd be stuffed. If the dog needed treatment above his insurance, we wouldn't have enough to cover it and the dog would have to stay with me for the kids and because he couldn't rent with pets. There wouldn't be anything spare for day trips or holidays. I know theyre not essential but they have a comfortable life at the moment and after adding everything up, it seems like we're going to be from hand to mouth.

I could do with finding work but as I've been at home since having the kids (almost 10 years) I have no references and work would have to be nights really to work around husband. But then my youngest two aren't in school and I don't think I could do nights and then stay away all day with the kids.

Foolishly, I thought there would be a bit more government help.

OP posts:
notapizzaeater · 01/05/2017 15:34

Have you run the figures through www.entitliedto.co.uk]

notapizzaeater · 01/05/2017 15:35

Doh would help if I spell right ! www.entitledto.co.uk]

Unicorndreamer · 01/05/2017 15:38

Has he never heard of the silent setting for phone ???

janaus · 01/05/2017 16:04

Emotionally attached.

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2017 16:13

Those are just excuses though. If he had no time for anything after work that would be one thing, but he has time to help this mate.

He isn't working at making your family life viable. Ask him if he actually wants to be a macdonalds dad? Because that is where he is heading.

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2017 16:14

Insist on equal amounts of child free time. So you have an afternoon a week. He can have an afternoon a week. Anymore than that, he has to make the same available for you.

ptumbi · 01/05/2017 16:20

unicorndreamer - yeah, that'll fix it. Hmm

OP - do you have enough rooms in your house that you can 'separate' but still live in the same house? He moves into a spare room, the finances continue until you can stop the Sky and the Gym, and then think again.

He co-parents, but you are non-married. It's not ideal, and is difficult to face, but is probably the cheaper option. He will have to step up, like he would if you separated, and must leave you alone, and you him. You have separate lives. Like flatmates.

yetmorecrap · 01/05/2017 16:42

ptumbi In the short term its probably the best solution, dont be suprised though OP if one day he says Im off. At least though you will have already been through these things in your head, so although its awful, its better than totally out the blue that some poor ladies on here experience

ptumbi · 01/05/2017 18:49

The hardest par tof that OP will be being separate. Where you have no claim on his time/life/affection. He can do what he likes; text all day and night, spend his time at her house/the pub etc.

You must be able to distance yourself as if it does not affect you. You cannot secretly want him to still be a husband.

Flatmates.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 01/05/2017 18:57

I honestly don't think OP should keep living in the same house as this twat. He doesn't understand boundaries - it would never work. He would parade women past her and he'd never cope with the kids alone if she was physically in the house.

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 20:35

I have thought of trying this although I'm filled with such anger at the moment and my husband seems to think that offering a cup of tea will make it all up to me and we can pretend to be a normal couple. I don't think he would respect boundaries and I don't think either of us would be able to make things pleasant for the kids, whilst not thinking of it as being too close for comfort and bordering on a husband/wife relationship again.

Unfortunately, it would make things a lot more affordable and at present, this is a big worry of mine. I had forgotten but my youngest currently goes to nursery for one half day per week, which costs us another £90 per month. It all adds up and with him unable to contribute a lot to us after his expenses, it would mean we'd be from hand to mouth and literally couldn't afford for anything to go wrong. My youngest is so quite but has loved this half day in nursery and I'd feel awful to have to pull her out. She's not eligible for any government funding for ages yet.

I haven't let him back in the house all day and told him to sleep in the car again, although he has work tomorrow so would need to come back in the morning to use the bathroom etc. He drove off though, saying he would check into a hotel. We don't have the money for this, if we are to split up as we need every penny we have, but I can't control him and I guess with him being at work tomorrow, he's decided that he needs sleep and a bathroom. He's got his work clothes, tooth brush etc so maybe I wont hear from him in the morning.

I wish I could have a lottery win right now, even a modest one as I'd change the locks immediately and wouldn't look back.

OP posts:
yetmorecrap · 01/05/2017 22:48

I wish I could have a lottery win right now, even a modest one as I'd change the locks immediately and wouldn't look back.

I dont think OP you will be only one on here who has had this thought. Funnily enough one thing Iw as going to ask you was, if you won the lottery would you want him gone-- that often can help "clarify" things in your head.

QueenArseClangers · 01/05/2017 23:30

A claim for child tax credit with 4 children and no income will be at least 750 a month.

QueenArseClangers · 01/05/2017 23:31

... have a proper look at the benefits calculators available online OP.

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 23:49

Well he text tonight to say he's had enough and will not step foot back in the house and will look to find somewhere to live immediately. He wants to still be involved with the kids but said he wants no more relationship talk from me and will not be changing his mind. He's then changed his Facebook to separated.

I know he wouldn't tell people publicly that we're separated if he still wanted us to try, so I'm taking that as gospel.

To say I'm a mess tonight is an understatement. I have no idea how I'll get up in the morning and do the school run with puffy red eyes. I feel humiliated. I knew we were over but we've been like this for so long, I never thought we'd get to this point where he would actually tell others we're over. I'm completely heartbroken. I haven't slept right for weeks so I can't even think straight. What a complete and utter mess. And something else I've failed at.

OP posts:
QueenArseClangers · 01/05/2017 23:56

You ain't failed love.

It's him that's failed at being a decent human, husband and father.

Graceflorrick · 02/05/2017 00:10

He wants to be with her, sorry OP Flowers

SuiteHarmony · 02/05/2017 00:11

Op, you WILL get up and get the kids to school. You won't find all the solutions for your future overnight, but trust me, you can do the must-do for the next few days, and please reach out to people for car-pools, dropping home, etc, as nobody would want to see you helpless. You can still maintain some privacy until you work out your next steps, but for now, reach out for a little bit of help.

seoulsurvivor · 02/05/2017 01:05

He sounds pathetic. Changing his relationship status on facebook? He sounds like a teenager trying to manipulate things.

Atenco · 02/05/2017 01:42

This is the hardest part, OP, but it is the start of a much better life for you, OP, honestly.