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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
Doublemint · 24/04/2017 10:30

If I felt like this and my DH was behaving like this and then i started saying I wanted to separate, get a solicitor involved etc- his first reaction would be shock, begging to be given another chance, agree to counselling, he would block the OW completely etc etc.

He would not try to undermine my decision by suggesting I would fail anyway, withdraw finances or basically "put me over a barrel".

The fact that he plays with his children is irrelevant to your marriage problems too.

Again, you sound like you feel obliged to jump up and down with glee because he deigned to want to shag you. Who the fuck would want to sleep with a man who has been treating them with such contempt and disrespect? And what kind of husband would give a shit whether his wife is wearing jeans and jumpers or stilettos and fishnets if they loved them.

You have four kids ffs! You can't be dolled up to the nines for doling out fish fingers and wiping noses everyday! What planet is this man on!

And OP I mean this kindly but you really need a reality check. He is being horrible to you.

HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 10:31

he really can fuck off. So you behave yourself and wear lipstick and he won't pick someone else! And you are falling for this crap.

You need a solicitor immediately. Stop telling him what you are thinking, doing or reading and start taking action. What an utter waste of your life. And your kids - they are watching all this. They will model future relationships on what you show them now. Do you want your son to treat his wife like this in 20 years time? If you don't then I suggest you divorce this idiot and sort out some counselling for yourself immediately to work out why the hell you have put up with 5 minutes of his utter bullshit.

Doublemint · 24/04/2017 10:33

I am fuming on your behalf OP. Your view of yourself, the situation and what you are capable of is heartbreaking.

I'm sure there are many poster who have given and will give excellent advice about the practicalities and realities of a split, please listen to them.
LTB.

user1492849995 · 24/04/2017 10:34

How do I pay for appointments with your the solicitor though as I only receive the tiny amount of child tax credits and child benefit, but I use these to cover my youngest two's nursery bill and a bit towards swimming lessons. I don't have anything else as it all went into the house and then my husband was the breadwinner and we had savings that he has earnt but he won't let me use them for legal advice. He says if we split and I got the house, he'd need to be able to afford to start again so will need the savings. I can see where he is coming from as he would need the money to set up again and after he's earned it, it must feel like such a waste to spend it on solicitors etc, but without it, I can't pay for anything. He says he will continue to support me and the kids while we live together and will then pay for the kids, but I can't even contemplate leaving without access to money. I couldn't even afford to file for divorce as it all costs. He wouldn't pay for it or go down that route himself.

OP posts:
HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 10:39

OK - so he denies you access to money? In which case he is an abuser. So you need to call Women's Aid and they will help you with a solicitor.

Elendon · 24/04/2017 10:47

Ring Women's Aid. I suspect he will be forced to pay for your solicitor's bill. He wants all the cake and he will find he can't have it.

gamerchick · 24/04/2017 10:48

I think WA would be a good starting point. They'll help you look at this whole thing in manageable chunks rather than this overwhelming tidalwave your husband has deliberately sent over you.

You know a loving husbands first thought would not be to immediately 'trap' his wife into staying with him, only abusive bastards do that. A loving and good fathers first thought wouldn't be to make them choose who to live with when mummy leaves instead of wanting to protect them from pain as much as possible. Only an abusive bastard would do that.

Ring WA and at least let them help you see the wood from the trees. It's just a phone call.

AnyFucker · 24/04/2017 10:50

Ring Women's Aid and get some advice. You are in an abusive relationship that also includes financial abuse, not surprisingly. They can help you escape if you really want to.

user1492849995 · 24/04/2017 10:52

Don't Women's Aid help women that are being beaten etc? He's never laid a finger on me and I wouldn't want to be put in a safe house and moved away from my childrens school etc? Will they involve the police as I wouldn't want that. Although he's played his part in all this, I'm probably making him feel like home isn't much fun anymore and he is right that I haven't been taking good care of myself. And I had asked him to have sex with me more and this morning, he had listened, but I confused him by pushing him away. Maybe im not giving him the right signals anymore.

I don't want the kids to grow up thinking their dad was a wife beater because he's not. I just feel torn because I know the kids wouldn't want him to move out or for us to live elsewhere. I've always got the kids with me and feel they're not getting the best from me as I can't focus on anything else at the moment. That's not him though, that's me. As a lone parent, he could probably cope a lot better than me and he could afford to employ help and put them in childcare more.

I'm desperately trying to forget about all this and not let the kids see me upset and stressed but I feel such a failure. As a daughter, a wife and mother. Everyone has left me because I've caused problems and fall outs because I didn't feel appreciated or good enough but maybe I'm just hard to love. And my kids will probably think the same as they get older because I can't focus on them and feel almost like I wish someone would take them away while I get my head straight. I know this sounds terrible and I do love them so much but I feel swamped.

I told my husband a few months ago that I wished I wasn't here anymore because I just can't keep waking up and feeling like this. Always feeling like I don't matter to anyone and that I wouldn't be be missed if I wasn't here. He said that my problem is that I make everything about me and that he's not happy either. I probably do make it all about me because everyone else seemed happy as things are, but if I can't tell him how low I feel, who do I tell?

OP posts:
Elendon · 24/04/2017 10:56

All we are suggesting is that you ring Women's Aid for advice. If you are happy with the status quo and to be a sidekick in your husband's life then so be it. But I would suggest you will never be important to him. He doesn't even give you access to money. That's abuse. He knows exactly what he's doing.

AnyFucker · 24/04/2017 10:57

I don't think you actually want any practical help at the moment, do you ?

You want him to change but he won't. That one is a battle you never had a chance to win, I am afraid

You are not ready to make the changes yourself yet. One day you will be.

gamerchick · 24/04/2017 10:59

Being abused isn't always about being hit.

Can't you see what he's done? He's got you chewed up and it's distracted you nicely from what you were upset about in the first place.

befuddledgardener · 24/04/2017 11:04

The children don't get to choose which parent until much older. The children will be placed with the main carer. All funds, equity is seen as family money.

I have lots of friends and I text one of them two or three times a day. I also commit time and attention to my DH as it's important to invest in a relationship. He could be wearing anything It would make no difference to how much I love him and how much I respect him

befuddledgardener · 24/04/2017 11:10

I think you need counselling. You're desperately trying to get validation from others, when really you need to value yourself.

HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 11:19

You also need to do some homework into what abuse it. Surely you must realise it is way more than being hit? I agree with AF you are not ready to leave or accept that he is anything less than a prince. Hope the scales will fall from your eyes soon. And btw kids thinking their father is a wife beater - well them thinking his treatment of you is ok and normal is much more dangerous.

user1492849995 · 24/04/2017 11:33

I've made an appointment to see the gp to see if they can get me some counselling.

I really do want change but because we have kids, leaving would cause massive upheaval to them and so I really want to make sure I'm doing the thing before I do something that I can't change or undo.

I just wish that I didn't have to think about any of this or do anything. I feel like I'm juggling so plates that I can't cope and don't know how I find the strength to be a single mum to four kids and go through a divorce etc completely alone.

Even if I could afford solicitors fees, it's going to be hard to sort all this when I literally get one afternoon per week alone. I wouldn't want my kids to have to listen to all what's said so wouldn't want to take them to appointments with me, but it's hard to do anything without them. I've got the two youngest home today so won't manage to even call anywhere and keep them quiet, but also my 4 year old is now able to listen in and understands more.

I wish I didn't feel so tired and weak, but I've even had dreams where I've just walked away from everything. Obviously I wouldn't want to do that and I love my kids but sometimes I feel like I'm the problem and I'm struggling to muster the strength to do all this alone.

I will find contact details for Women's Aid and call them tomorrow when I only have one child home - and hope he's quiet enough for me to hear anything.

OP posts:
HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 11:35

So you want to change to make him like you?

user1492849995 · 24/04/2017 11:50

Ultimately yes, I wish I could make him treat me well and love me. I know other women that have lovely husbands and wish I had that. My husband bought me lots of treats and nice clothes etc when we first got together, so I feel like I've maybe turned him into someone else. I certainly feel jointly responsible for letting the kids down.

I don't want to be a doormat though and just put up with his current behaviour. I just don't know if I'm expecting too much and is it possible that he does really love me and want me etc but the arguments are getting him down so much that he can't change? I don't know how to avoid the arguments when I feel so low, but if I could stop asking him for things and perhaps look at it from his perspective more, he might make more of an effort too. I don't know.

He's never really opened up about his feelings and although he said a few things this morning, I still don't really know what's going on in his head. I don't want to be responsible for someone else's misery as well as my own and the kids.

OP posts:
yetmorecrap · 24/04/2017 11:57

The fact is you are you, and he either likes you as you are or he doesn't. If he doesn't then the decent thing is to have had the chat and split and for him to make things as good as he can for you and kids, it is not to carry on like a single guy and expect you to 'suck it up snowflake'

TempusEedjit · 24/04/2017 12:01

Wikivorce offer a free advice line if you can't find the funds for a solicitor just yet.

Unfortunately all the while you are placing the blame on yourself for your H's appalling behaviour you won't be able to save your marriage as he'll simply carry on viewing you and treating you with the contempt he thinks you deserve. Think about all the people you respect or look up to (either in real life or on TV etc)...I doubt any of them act as though they are begging to be liked. Have you had time to Google the "pick me dance" on the Chumplady website yet that PP's have referred to? If not the please do that even if you do nothing else, it's a real eye opener.

HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 12:11

You cannot change his behaviour - all you can do is either put up with it or get out. All you have control over is your reaction to it. To sit around doing the pick me dance and waiting for him to love you is both heartbreaking and utterly foolish in equal measure. Where is your self esteem eh? In your boots it seems. How dreadfully sad.

HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 12:12

sorry Tempus - see you wrote pick me dance before me! Great minds.

hellsbellsmelons · 24/04/2017 12:17

Womens Aid number is 0808 2000 247
As he is already being a twat about money and separation they can let you know details of solicitors in your area who are used to dealing with assholes!
Some solicitors will also take fees on completion of the settlement.
So look into that!

Properjob · 24/04/2017 12:23

Good that you are going to the GP of as besides everything else it sounds like you are depressed, and no wonder. Advice from women's aid great.
Are you in the middle of nowhere OP? Can you get out to toddlers groups with the two youngest? Are you focusing on keeping the house very clean and tidy instead of getting out and perhaps making friends? Maybe you are trying to hard to be a perfect Mum, we are all bound to fail at that. The children love you as you are.
Also, if you petition for divorce the respondent pays (unless agreed otherwise). Hah! How has he reacted to suggestion of couples counselling?...this isn't down to either one of you, it's what's happening between you.

HeavenlyEyes · 24/04/2017 12:29

Never ever undertake couples counselling with an abuser.