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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
museumum · 22/04/2017 11:17

Isopod be annoyed with that amount of texting to one person. Like she's there all the time.

But I would take him up on the meeting up of the two families, get to know her dh and kids, it will soon reveal if there's anything worrying. I'd also rip the piss out of them a bit with her husband about the texting to see how he feels about it.

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 11:21

My husband says these responses are obviously from sad women like me who don't have a life. He says men and women should be able to have a friendship without it being questioned.

He says he could ignore her texts while he's having 'us' time but wants to know if itd be ok to text her back if I nip to the loo or he does, so we're not actually together.

He thinks she's harmless and just a friend but I think she's lonely and enjoying my husbands attention. She has a husband herself who she hasn't seen all day but yet she admits he watches football all night so she ends up on the internet!

I don't want to feel so insecure and lacking in confidence. I've always been shy and had a crap homelife with parents that didn't help, but he's not helping.

He's just told her he'll take her somewhere for the day that he has always wanted to go and she wants to go to. He knew I wanted to go there but we've never done it because it's not overly child friendly. He said her husband will be going so nothing going off and me and kids can come too, but he knew that we haven't been here so far because of the kids! I know it's silly and I'm hating the way I sound (nag nag moan) but he knew we both wanted to go to this place and I'm so angry that he's invited her now. And this was only this morning after our row. He says because he thought me and kids would come too that he doesn't get why im upset but he knew I wouldn't be going with the kids.

Financially, I can't afford to split. I've become a stay at home mum and couldn't manage without his income and where we live, he couldn't afford to support us and find somewhere else to live. I just don't know what to do.

I'm isolated from my rubbish family who weren't any real use anyway and made me feel rubbish but he couldn't get on with them so we haven't spoken to them in years. That's why we now have no childcare and has been a good excuse for him as to why we never get to spend any time together.

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FluffyWhiteTowels · 22/04/2017 11:22

Classic signs of an emotional affair. wakey wakey gah what a prick ... what sort of professional relationship with a colleague includes that?

Ask him how he'd feel if Behaviour reversed and it was you texting constantly with a man

Sounds like he's an attention seeking knobhead

LesisMiserable · 22/04/2017 11:24

You're not trapped like you think you are, you're in total control of yourself and your reactions. Go to the thing with them and diffuse this. Take charge of it, scary though it is.

choppednutaddict · 22/04/2017 11:24

He sounds like a young guy who settled down too young and wants to do what 'normal' people do.
Yes he is f*g with your head.
Guys and girls can't be friends without one liking the other, either in the past, present or future. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
Maybe it's not on his part maybe it's on hers.
He is not being respectful of you, your relationship or his duty as a father.
Anybody would be upset at anyone texting like that whilst in their company let alone your partner to another woman.
Bottom line is it's rude to ignore the person your with.
Would he go to the pub with his mates and ignore them and text you all night?
The way you have described it it sounds abusive. Putting you down, making you not trust yourself or your feelings.
Yes you need to make at least one good friend. Someone to talk to, to confide in, have a drink and relax, go shopping. Yes you may of been possessive but it sounds like his behaviour has driven you to it.
If you trusted him, felt happy and safe in your relationship you wouldn't act this way.

You guys need to lay it out on the table. He needs to be honest about how he is feeling. He is escaping from his reality in his colleagues, why?
Masking it with this bullsh**t of friends crap is a load of rubbish.

LesisMiserable · 22/04/2017 11:26

Absolute bullshit men and women cant be friends. Dont buy into it.

FluffyWhiteTowels · 22/04/2017 11:28

So we're sad lonely women Hmm nope just people who can spot bullshit

misogynistic arsehole

LesisMiserable · 22/04/2017 11:29

I have a very very good male friend. Never a sniff of impropriety on either side. Absolutely zero sexual attraction on either side. Because that's a friend and their gender is irrelevant.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/04/2017 11:33

user

What did you learn about relationships when growing up?.

I thought your childhood life at home was pants; they are also the cause of your low self esteem aren't they?. I am not surprised therefore that you have not spoken to them in years either and probably got out of there as soon as you were able.

I think your life at home led you into the arms of this man you are now with; he is probably not too dissimilar to your parents. He is being highly disrespectful of you as a person and would never be as forgiving if you had this level of texting with another man.

Staying with him will simply bring you more of the same. Would you want your children to have a marriage like yours; I would hope not.

I would seek your own legal advice before making your own assumptions that it is too hard financially to split up. Such thinking will also keep you trapped as well; you do not have to keep growing flowers in the hole he has partially dug for you.

user1491572121 · 22/04/2017 11:36

Even if they've not done anyting yet, it sounds like an emotional affair. THey want to.

gamerchick · 22/04/2017 11:36

My husband says these responses are obviously from sad women like me who don't have a life. He says men and women should be able to have a friendship without it being questioned

OP they ALWAYS come out with something like that. Calling us sad is tame Wink

Okay this day out. Usually these end up being engineered so it eventually ends up just being them. There are various ways this could happen.

See it as a chance to get to meet her husband. It's doubtful the husband will be going though and you'll end up feeling like a spare wheel. It'll tell you everything you need to know about how close they are.

nakedscientist · 22/04/2017 11:37

In my opinion, this is an affair and it would be bad enough even if it were another man. It will likely become physical eventually if OW is willing.
He is cheating on you in front of your eyes and then telling you that you are mad, he is being very unfair and unkind.
If it were me I would want to meet them to know who I was dealing with.
You have low self esteem and no friends, why OP?
Please get some help and support. You have two DCs and they deserve a happy mum!

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 11:38

I'm just scared to talk to anyone because my only friends are school mums and they know dh and like most of the school gate crowd, I feel like I'd be gossip. It would also feel wrong to tell them everything as we couldn't stay together then as it'd feel embarrassing. But equally, trying to sort it between us is making me feel so isolated and lonely. Of course, I know I've done wrong and not been easy to live with at times but I have changed. I didn't moan about any nights out really since having kids. The comments about other women etc all stemmed from him never taking me anywhere (even prior to kids), never remembering anniversaries or ever treating me to anything nice. If he's bought me an Xmas present, it's been a last minute foot pumice or a mumsy hoodie. Never anything feminine and we've not kissed or cuddled before bed or at all since the first year of being together. I'm not overly happy with my physique but don't constantly moan about it. Some of my feelings come from the fact that he has not complimented me in years and that we haven't had a decent sex life. He hasn't initiated sex in years and just said he's not really interested in it anymore (or not often). One every month or two would be fine for him. But he's a complete ladies man with other women. Even with the mums at school, he tells them they look nice and jokes about them looking glamorous or about their husbands jumping all over them. They must all think he's like this at home and a real man, but he's someone else entirely. The sex life went down hill years ago but at that time, I still caught him looking at porn. He doesn't look now as I said it upset me so now we don't have sex and he doesn't look at women either.

We have young kids and I desperately didn't want them to end up with separated parents and step families. But equally, were arguing so often (mainly about his lack of contact and attention). I was brought up in a home with my parents constantly falling out and they had the weirdest of relationships with no physical contact and no affection shown. It's no wonder I've ended up such a mess really and I don't want this for my kids.

OP posts:
ShiningArmour · 22/04/2017 11:38

Cheeky fucker I'm neither sad nor lonely, at least my dh respects me!

Aquamarine1029 · 22/04/2017 11:42

If you believe this woman is just a friend, I've got a bridge to sell you. Your husband is playing with fire, not to mention being an absolute asshole.

gamerchick · 22/04/2017 11:42

OP if you didn't have bairns and this woman aside, would you want to stay with him? Could you see yourself going through old age with him?

choppednutaddict · 22/04/2017 11:42

LesisMiserable
I think you will agree having a friendship with a man lines cannot be crossed. It is not the same friendship you would have with a girl.
And in most cases when behaviour such as this guys is going on between two people not in a relationship at least one has at least a crush even if they are not willing to admit it.

gandalf456 · 22/04/2017 11:43

You're too soft. I would be done with discussing it by now and so would he as he would be too busy trying to retrieve the phone from a certain part of his anatomy

Quartz2208 · 22/04/2017 11:48

Texting all evening is rude regardless of whether you are on the phone or not. Being on the phone whilst with someone in a restaurant is rude regardless of who you are with or on the phone.

Going out for a day somewhere that you want to go and he knows you cant is just plain nasty

Surely the fact that not one person has agreed with him should tell him something - or does he think all women are sad and lonely and without a life (which in itself says something)

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 11:48

I lost contact with all my school friends after I got in a relationship with DH. We were still at school and so young. I was glad to be away from my family and homelife so would bunk off school with him and he was fun and exciting.

A couple of my friends had been out with him before me, although being that young, it wasn't serious. But when I went out with him, one friend in particular didn't like this and turned everyone against me. I had to leave sixth form because the atmosphere was awful and I had no friends. I left school without any friends and colleagues have always been much older than me and married etc so not able to really become friends. My loneliness has just kind of happened and because I'm shy and quiet, it hasn't been easy to make new friends. I have a few mum friends but I'm not close to them and wouldn't want to confide in them.

Dh didn't agree with how my family treated me (doormat) even though he treated me much the same. But speaking out against them put their back up and our relationship broke down completely. My kids now don't see their grandparents either and I feel so sad for them. I sometimes ring my mum just to hear her voice. But I can't trust anyone. The relationship between us wasn't good and I didn't want my kids to see and sense that and it wasn't good for my confidence, but the kids loved my mum in particular and I feel awful that they are missing out on that relationship because of me.

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LesisMiserable · 22/04/2017 11:50

I dont agree, no. There are no lines in question when there is no sexual attraction, that's what makes it friends, be it man, woman or anything in between. Attraction is just not relevant because its not there so being friends is easy.

nakedscientist · 22/04/2017 11:56

OP this marriage sounds in trouble and you sound ground down. However, you are not mad or rubbish or useless or paranoid or unattatractive, you are a lovely woman and mother.
You can leave and there are people to help. You could start with relate:
www.relate.org.uk
They are happy to see you alone if he won't go with you.
Flowers

HerOtherHalf · 22/04/2017 11:58

Well I'm not a sad woman, I'm a very happy man. Your husband is a shit. He has undermined your self-esteem and confidence. I don't believe he loves you. He certainly doesn't act like he does. I can see some fault on your side as well TBH but he carries by far the lion's share based on what you've told us.

ButtMuncher · 22/04/2017 11:59

I have male friends and female friends, some of who are work colleagues, some who are mutual friends of mine and DPs.

At no point have we ever texted them 'goodnight' and throughout a day or evening unless there has been a crisis or on the odd occasion where one of us is busy and the other is just chatting. We've never ignored each other and instead sought friendships with people on phones with the other unhappy with the situation.

You both sound like you have problems with your relationship that this friendship is highlighting. You with trust issues, him with respecting you. If I asked my DP to not text through a meal or a film, unless it was a crisis with his son or work etc he would just say 'Yeah, sorry got carried away' or something. That's a normal response. But similarly I don't feed the need to question who and why he's texting when he does, and neither does he, and on the rare occasion that has happened it's because we've either been feeling a bit neglected (having young kids does that) and a swift chat soon remedies it on both ends.

I'm not being all holier than thou, but rather illustrating a normal response to a very normal request. I suspect your husband is either engaging in an emotional affair (or well on the way, i.e. He likes the attention and wants more of it) or he's trying to make you feel shitty - sounds as if he has a pervasive pattern of undermining you and other women.

Oh, and you can tell your husband I'm neither sad nor lonely, just don't give a shit about pathetic little men who think the grass is greener - HTH Grin

SeaCabbage · 22/04/2017 11:59

Whether the other woman is interested in him, he interested in her, whether she's a man, or hamster, it doesn't matter - that amount of texting in the evening is so disrespectful I am with you there. As you said, it is like having a third person in the room so how can you try to repair your relationship.

With regard to your isolation, can you try and join a group, just you, so that you can meet people?

Also, i would ask the GP to be referred for counselling so that you can have someone on your side as you try to make sense of this life you have sadly found yourself in.

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