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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

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C0untDucku1a · 01/05/2017 00:57

Op he is still a cock. He wont change. He doesnt care bout his wife or children.

bullyhfc · 01/05/2017 01:03

being married to a controller has put me off ever doing the deed tbf

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 01:44

bullyhfc, do you think I'm a controller? My husband is constantly saying this and I guess we all look at things from our own perspective. As an outsider looking in, do you think I sound controlling and to blame for the lack of affection/intimacy?

I'm happy to hear both sides so if someone can see something obvious that I'm doing wrong, I'd like to know. I don't feel in control of my own mind anymore.

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randomuntrainedcuntowner · 01/05/2017 01:56

User's dh - you are an abusive twat. Hth.
(Btw I am not lonely. Nor am I sad. But I am educated and self-sufficient. I also have a great dp, and we enjoy a relationship that is mutually respectful. Sorry if that emasculates you (sad face))

randomuntrainedcuntowner · 01/05/2017 01:58

User - do you think that your dp is critically examining his own role in all of this to the degree that you are? No, probably not, because you are a decent person, and he is not.

randomuntrainedcuntowner · 01/05/2017 02:02

Just read your update. He is a PHYSICALLY abusive twat. Call the police. Please. This is not a joke anymore. 💐

TheGrumpySquirrel · 01/05/2017 02:05

I am 100% sure he is going round there tomorrow to shag her. Please just kick him out OP.

seoulsurvivor · 01/05/2017 02:05

He wants to have his cake and eat it.

I have plenty of friends. If I am with my husband, some nights I'll chat to them for a bit, but I'd rather spend time with him.

Personally I think your relationship sounds dead. You have no confidence and I can't see how you'll get it back if you continue in this relationship.

BuckinghamLass · 01/05/2017 03:21

He's an abusive cunt who prioritises a colleague over his family. What a prick.

FlorisApple · 01/05/2017 05:00

OP, he physically assaulted you last night. He is also being massively emotionally abusive and controlling. You will be so much better off without him. You are NOT the controlling one, he is, and he is fucking with your head.

Madmotherintheattic · 01/05/2017 05:14

OP, Dysfunctional relationship due mostly to controlling, abusive, emotional-affair-having DH. Please try and get some support, some outside help, and move on. You deserve better and more importantly, you know this in your head, your children deserve better.

Madmotherintheattic · 01/05/2017 05:16

PS: To OP's husband, I have been married almost two decades, have two DCs and am well-balanced normal person, not lonely saddo, if that's what you are thinking. however, even if was lonely saddo, you would still be an abusive twat.

Quickieat2 · 01/05/2017 06:00

RE bank holidays and weekends. The norm in our house is to do a mix of things. So this weekend

Saturday - family all relaxed and cleaned during the morning. I spent the afternoon/early evening rambling hills with friends, while DH played footy with the kids in the park and got a takeout.

Sunday - family day. Swimming together. DH then went to the cinema with his mate early evening. Followed by a quick beer.

Monday - meeting up with family friends for a couple of hours. Otherwise pottering round the house together

Some people find great value in friendship. She's clearly not interested in him. He clearly get on with women well generally. Chatting to other school mums is fine. He shouldn't however be behaving like a prick or upsetting the kids.

picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2017 06:20

Please use women's aid etc and get him out. He is escalating. Photograph/scan the bank statements while he is out. He'll try and deny he has any money.

Keep yourself safe, op!

Oliversmumsarmy · 01/05/2017 07:46

I think this woman likes to have your husband dancing around her . Knowing that she only has to click her fingers and he will come running but is also sending out the message that he has no chance whatever with her because she always brings her husband with her whenever they are out.
I think she knows exactly what she is doing and using who ever she can to get whatever she can. I wouldn't be surprised that she and her husband don't have others who help them out. I presume she isn't just texting your husband as she appears to have a choice of help.

Her husband probably isn't bothered that your husband is texting her all evening as it keeps her entertained and leaves him free to watch the football.

I think atm op you are too into how your then exh will live and how providing him with a suitable place is on a list of priorities of yours.
When you don't give a crap is when you will start divorce proceedings.

I wouldn't be looking for a job at the moment as you need to be seen as the primary care giver.
A job can be got at a later date.

Good luck with the gym.

hesterton · 01/05/2017 07:54

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ptumbi · 01/05/2017 10:05

Of course you are not the controller, OP. He is.
He's had a fair bit to drink and being late, I know he's tired so probably wouldn't have reacted quite like this in a morning. why are you minimising this?
He slammed our tv remote down and broke it, he threw an empty beer can at me and then because I followed him to argue back, he physically shook me. He is getting violent.
I know this sounds bad and I don't like this, but I'm not scared of him. I'm sure it was out of frustration, but nevertheless, I'm not having it. again, minimising. And maybe you should be scared of him - he is escalating, because in his eyes you are stopping him from seeing this woman - and he is having an affair with her. An emotional affair, or a physical one - either way, it's unacceptable. And he's blaming you for it.

DEAD IN THE WATER! Op even you can see that.

He needs to go - where, is not your problem. Get legal advice, and work out what benefits you can get. He needs to find somewhere, AND he will still need to support his dc (and you, probably).

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 10:15

So he messaged me this morning to ask that I let him in to use the bathroom. I refused and sent him to the local supermarket. I left his toiletries and some clothes on the doorstep. He went to the supermarket and has then gone to this friend's house, regardless of last nights argument. He had the cheek to text me to say he won't be long anyway and that he'll spend time with the kids this afternoon and that he's only helping a friend and as he said yesterday, I'm just being silly about everything and overreacting. I'm literally shaking with anger. He's left me with all the kids to now sort and I'm seething.

Stupid me thought he had asked for my car key to move it so he could go to the supermarket but he probably just wanted to get his car out to go to hers. If i hadn't given him my key and moved my car, he wouldn't have been able to go and he'd have had to let her down. Feel such an airhead.

I know it won't do any good and it's only because I'm so angry but I want to write about his disgusting behaviour all over his Facebook so his 'friends' know what he's really like and so there's no going back he him. I want to humiliate him because I feel that he's humiliating me.

I don't know how I'm going to cope full-time because I feel so snappy at the kids today. They want my full attention and deserve this but I can't do that.

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picklemepopcorn · 01/05/2017 10:45

Just let him go. No point keeping him. He's still completely disregarding/minimising your feelings.

I'd suggest taking the children out this afternoon. What should you be at his beck and call when he has time for you? But then would he be able to access the house and could lock you out?

yetmorecrap · 01/05/2017 11:10

My husband was like this 11 years ago with a young woman and her family across the road and she was our assistant occasionally at our business too, I was told just friends, I was paranoid etc, etc, 11 years later find a load of love letters and stuff that he did and never sent, am now told it was a big crush, nothing happened and it was all in his head. My gut at the time was screaming to me, I think you may have the same here, she maybe does think it's just friends, he on the other hand has a large crush. Now it's up to you how you deal with that, my husband too got annoyed if I said he couldn't go over to help them, basically he just wanted to 'see her'. 11 years down line I'm in a funny position, for him it's 'long gone' for me (only found the stuff 4 months ago) I'm stilll very upset, if I had known this fully st the time I would have told him to stick it where the sun doesn't shine, you are lucky in many ways to be experiencing this 'now' you can make that choice , I personally think you should as any bloke with any respect for you would have stopped when you realised what was going on.

SeekingSugar · 01/05/2017 11:16

Honestly no one is worth this much anxiety. It's a hopeless, codependent nightmare, not a marriage.if you are going to enjoy your life, you need to ditch this loser.

CherryMintVanilla · 01/05/2017 11:32

I wouldn't even worry about her at this point OP, she's just a distraction from the real issue which is that you are married to an abusive person.

Cut him loose. I bet she doesn't even want him once he's single and she isn't getting a power trip from someone else's husband jumping at the click of her fingers.

Foncy87 · 01/05/2017 11:36

I don't think your being unreasonable at all. Yes its normal to text friends/colleagues sometimes, whether their male or female but it's not normal to text that much without it being more than friends. When I was single a guy from work started to get more chatty with me and we started emailing a few times a day at work, then it developed into emailing all day every work day and soon we were texting each other pretty much all day everyday and face timing too. I thought it was just friendly at first but then it turned flirty and he very nearly left his girlfriend. You should be your DH's favourite person to chat to/spend time with.

wisewomanmummy · 01/05/2017 11:38

You need to get a solicitor and protect yourself and your children. Your marriage is over really, he is walking all over you.
You will eventually feel much happier without him.
Good luck.

user1492849995 · 01/05/2017 12:52

He just keeps saying that he has nowhere to go and that is true. He says he won't be able to wash his work clothes or even shower etc. He wouldn't want to get the sack as he likes this job but if he was virtually homeless, he would end up resigning or being sacked and then we wouldn't get any financial help. I need him to get this new job really so his finances are better and he needs to find somewhere to go.

I want him gone. I know that now. But if he loses his income, we all suffer until he knows if he's got this job (2 weeks), he won't know what he can afford. On his current wage, after supporting the kids and paying for his pension and perhaps supporting me, I don't think he could even rent a flat where we are. If he goes further afield, he won't be able to see the kids (which I don't want for them but also, I don't think I could manage with 4 kids and no break). He also wouldn't be able to get to work or it would cost him a fortune as house prices are high for miles around us. If he gets this job, I know he could at least afford something and contribute enough for us to scrape by. I'm hoping I'd be able to get a job eventually as I'd need the income, but again, if he moves further away, I lose any hope of free childcare.

He has finally come back from her house, after I told him I was throwing his belongings out of the window. We've had few words and nothing will change because we both disagree on what is normal/acceptable and both want different things. He has taken two of our kids out for the afternoon now.

He did say though that he had seen a school mum in the supermarket alone this morning, with all her kids in tow, on bank holiday Monday and despite her husband being at home. He said, this is what normal mums expect and her husband works away Mon-Fri so she's literally alone all week and then has to take the kids out alone at weekends quite often. He's adamant that I expect too much family time and that normal mums sign up to be around the kids, whilst the dad has 'free' time out of work because he can't 'piss about' during the school day - like I can for one afternoon a week. Maybe this is true. We live in a wealthy area where most dads barely see their kids because of their high-flying careers and the mums do just get on with it. But I know some aren't happy and do row at home about this as they've confided in me. I just don't feel like I could/want to live like this and maybe it's partly because I'm lonely too, but it just seems pointless being together when you're not together much. We went out the last two days and he says he's done his bit this weekend and made an effort, but I've ruined it because of today. He tried to cause fall outs on both days because of silly things and yesterday because I dared to say he couldn't cover one of her shifts. So they weren't perfect family days out. He just thinks that he's done his bit if he's present I think.

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