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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
chillyogawine · 22/04/2017 13:31

OP he is having an emotional affair. He prefers to spend his time on the phone to this other woman than with you, so he is being disrespectful to you and actually is not interested in you. If she is just a friend, he can say 1'm with my wife right now, see you at work tomorrow but he wants her company. It may not become a physical affair but its still as hurtful. And the whole don't find you attractive, this is bullshit. He is giving himself an excuse to go off with another woman. It absolves him of guilt if you and he aren't getting along and he doesn't fancy you. You need to nip this in the bud now. I would say meeting her and her husband will prob make the situation go away a little, so worth considering, keep your enemies closer as they say!

AnyFucker · 22/04/2017 13:31

Don't show him any more of these messages. He will just use them to put you down further.

I can see that this thread has been a huge outpouring of emotion for you. But are you actually absorbing the unanimous messages in your replies? It is rare for MN to be so consistent.

Your husband is abusing you. Take a step back. You say you are going round in circles so step off the roundabout and take some time to explore the links you have been given and start thinking why you want to save your relationship with this awful, awful man

The PP who said joint counselling is not recommended is correct. He will simply twist the words of the counsellor and turn them back on you...like he has done here

The best thing you could do is accept he has no respect for you whatsoever and start making plans to exit

yetmorecrap · 22/04/2017 13:33

If I can just say blokes that like the 'banter' may seem fun and charming for a while when it's directed at you but boy can it become a pain in the butt when they suddenly need a bit of variety because you have heard all their stories and are no longer so impressed

Whosthemummynow · 22/04/2017 13:34

allowed him out on occasional nights out

Thats nice if you to let him out

AnyFucker · 22/04/2017 13:36

That's all you picked out of that catalogue of dysfunction, Whosthemummynow ? Hmm

HeavenlyEyes · 22/04/2017 13:40

do not show him any of these messages, do not engage in couples counselling. See a solicitor and start job hunting is my advice.

IfeelFloopy · 22/04/2017 13:42

I haven't read the whole thread but I agree that he is way out of line. My boyfriend rides motorbikes as does one of his close (male) mates and they can text back and forth about it on and off for hours. I would never stop him doing anything he but sometimes I don't need to say anything for him to pick up on the vibe that I feel like he is paying more attention to the conversation with his mate than me and it's irritating. His response is to finish a text, put his phone down and say "sorrryyyyyy"...before paying me some attention. I don't sulk or say a word but he rightly realises that he's being antisocial.

My point is that it would be annoying regardless of who he was texting. Under the circumstances you describe I would also be worried about an emotional affair.

Huskylover1 · 22/04/2017 13:43

whosthemummy

Really helpful comment. Why bother posting?

Tannyfastic · 22/04/2017 13:53

Get rid of him OP.
He is dragging you down.

KingsCross88 · 22/04/2017 13:57

Under the circumstances you describe I would also be worried about an emotional affair.

It already is an emotional affair.

magoria · 22/04/2017 14:14

He wants to take another woman on a date to a place where you want to go but have been unable to because of logistics with kids.

Make no mistake this is a date.

You may not be able to change his behaviour but you can change yours. You don't have to put up with it or stay with him.

With the mortgage paid off you may be able to arrange things legally so you can remain in the house at least until the DC have finished full time education. Things without him may not be as bad as you think.

At least you won't have to listen to his bullshit about her breasts V yours.

You deserve better.

ptumbi · 22/04/2017 14:28

OP - you seem surprised that he wants a nice wifey/kids/homelife whilst still able to look around/text other women/banter with other women? Well duh! Of course that's what he wants! Life doesn't work like that though; he does not get to 'flirt' with other women or have bantz with them if it upsets you, encroaches on your time togther, disrespects you.

As for the boobs comment, I think I would have started to compare prick sizes, or at least start sizing other men up for trouser area. He can't possibly get upset about that, can he?

And please please DO NOT SHOW HIM THIS THREAD. It should be your safe place. if necessary, change name and start a new thread.

Oh, and don't go for couple counselling. He is abusive and cruel. It will just give him ammunition.

ptumbi · 22/04/2017 14:29

And read husky's post again and again. You are stronger than you think.

And he is weak.

MyGastIsFlabbered · 22/04/2017 14:31

Dear OPs husband.

You are a prick. Do the OP a huge favour and jump off a cliff.

Thanks

Gast

P.S. No I'm not a sad woman with no life. HTH

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 14:45

When I say I allowed him to go out. I mean, he asked if we were doing anything and when I said no, he made arrangements to see friends. I then bought him a new shirt, ironed his jeans etc for him and dropped him off. I had to problem with him going out and asked him about it the next day. Maybe it was a bad choice of word. In the earlier years it was more that I allowed, rather than welcomed it but I've not felt like that since the kids have come along.

I've only just applied for this new job for him, to make him happy at work and help him climb the ladder. That is despite the fact he would then be working with this lady full-time.

Considering he has given me no help to turn my thoughts and feelings around and has not boosted my confidence at all, I felt like I had changed the jealousy and controlling behaviour myself.

Just as when he said he didn't find me attractive anymore, I didn't sit and cry, I made an effort and have continued to make an effort. The other mums have noticed and I feel so much nicer, even though he couldn't meet me half way and make an effort to work on us.

Of course, I'm only human and when it feels as though he's rubbing my nose in it and putting me down, yes I do wonder what he's texting her. But surely thats because I've been foolish enough to care and want to save it before he perhaps did something silly that we couldn't undo.

I never had a happy, conventional family growing up and I really, really wanted this for my kids. My husband said he wanted the same but he doesn't act that way. I just feel like I'm the one who will have to walk away or end things and it'l be me that has upset the kids lives. My husband is quite happy as it is (it seems) as long as I don't moan, so it feels like I'm ruining their life because I want to be happy. Yet parents are supposed to put their kids first. I don't know what to do.

I'll have a proper think about things today and try and weigh up my options. If only I had a job and my own money, I would have perhaps ended things a while back.

Thanks again for all your replies. Even just being able to offload my thoughts has been useful as I wouldn't have anywhere else to rant and let off steam. Xxx

OP posts:
nakedscientist · 22/04/2017 14:57

This is from the relate website: I’ve been with my partner for over ten years and married a couple of years ago, we have two children. About 10 years ago while he slept he was getting repeated text messages. I thought it might be an emergency so I checked and found that it was another woman. I woke him and confronted him, he dismissed it as banter – they had got talking on a sports website.....Since then I have found him using chat sites, dating sites and other social media sites with the same sort of content. More recently, I found an escort agency number on his phone. He says it was from before, but I don’t believe him. So now I'm really stuck. I really don't know what to do. I love this man with every piece of me and I thought he felt the same way, so why is he doing this to me? Whenever I confront him he gets angry and says it's nothing. My head tells me to kick him out. I can't bring myself to completely end this relationship, but I can't keep feeling like this. I feel like I've said the same things over and over and I get the same response." "From what you describe, it sounds as if your relationship has got into a pattern that really is an emotionally abusive one...."

www.relate.org.uk/relationship-help/help-relationships/affairs/ask-ammanda-my-husband-keeps-cheating

You can talk to them online and they will help and guide someone in an abusive relationship, they are not all about couples counselling.

HeavenlyEyes · 22/04/2017 15:24

why are you applying for jobs for him to make him happy? This is all about him? Him, him, him. What about you and your happy? Stop saying him and start saying me and I and what makes you happy. It is all about him, his wants, his needs. You even did this thread on his say so and are feeding back to him! Stop that right now and put yourself first and ignore him and his utter nonsense.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/04/2017 15:34

I'm going to show him all the messages when he comes back later and I will suggest Relate

Please OP please do neither of the above!!!. Doing this will simply give your H more ammo to lob in your direction.

You did not learn a lot, well any positive lessons about relationships when growing up. Your children and you deserve better from life now frankly and getting decent legal advice re separation from your prick of a H will be a good start to a brighter future for you. Show your as yet still young children that you are not their father's doormat or appliance.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/04/2017 15:37

I bet you put your parents needs first and foremost when you were small as well because you had to. They never bothered about you either, you were just a nuisance to them. You went on to marry someone just like the two of them.

Your H is all talk really; he just says what you want to hear to keep you quiet and in line. He is not interested in a family life with you and his children; infact by abusing and disrespecting you in the ways he is doing he is abusing them as well.

Stripyhoglets · 22/04/2017 15:46

He's not respecting your marriage by his actions at all. You are not in the wrong. Nice caring husbands just don't form these kinds of friendships with other women.

BlondeBecky1983 · 22/04/2017 15:47

Sounds like a complete, ignorant twat who is involved in an emotional affair without even realising. Tell him to turn his phone off.

innagazing · 22/04/2017 15:53

I'm sorry you're in this very sad position, and I just can't see that it will improve as he doesn't seem to think anything should change at all. There doesn't seem to be any basic respect, and his constant texting the OW is actually cruel and soul destroying. It's not normal behaviour in a healthy and happy relationship.
You don't have to be as trapped in this situation as you think you are. There are other options and on a practical level, you are in an excellent position not having a mortgage on your house.
I think a positive step would be for you to get a part time job either outside the home (in the evenings or weekends maybe?). Have you thought about becoming a childminder? You can work from home, and it fits really well around caring for your own children. You could even just do wrap around childminding for school age children. You normally pick up a fair amount of all day care in the school holidays if you want this too.
It's a great job doing it as a single parent too, and you can then apply for working tax credits as well. With a good lawyer and you staying in the family home til the children are all out of full time education, and with regular maintenance payments, you will be able to keep the kids in their after school clubs etc and lead a happier life yourself.

TurnipCake · 22/04/2017 16:04

My ex did this.

He thought of himself as a modern-day Don Draper who wanted me to be the little quiet homemaker whilst he went out and flirted and dipped his dick into whoever he could.

He had an inappropriate friendship with a mutual colleague. She was 'just a mate' 'one of the lads' and 'enjoyed the banter'. The more my instinct pushed against it, the more he put me down.

We split up and she was the stepping-stone he eventually married.

Years later I think, "Thank fuck I got out of that mess" I have good-self esteem now and I'm with a guy who is x10 the man he could ever hope to be.

TheGrumpySquirrel · 22/04/2017 16:26

He's a flirt and I think he feels tied down with us, but likes being able to say he's married with kids

He's using you for status while emotionally abusing you, disrespecting you and wearing down your self esteem. What a nice guy! The bra size thing (if the excessive texting wasn't enough!) is a clear indication that his "friendship" is inappropriate and that he does not respect you one iota. He is actually making a massive fool of you. And he's gas lighted you into thinking he's "reasonable".
Have the self respect to divorce him OP.

OP's husband: jog on you prick! What a nasty sad loser you are. You should be ashamed of yourself.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 22/04/2017 16:35

Oh my god, he's a nasty bastard isn't he. I'm normally a poster who tries to imagine both sides of a relationship, thinks things can be 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, will sugest ways to improve things, but in this case it's a definite LTB from me. He's having an emotional affair with this woman and I find it hard to believe her DH doesn't mind her texting him all evening. He's also eroding your self esteem and the longer you stay the harder it'll be to leave. OP you are in a better position to leave him than you think. Listen to the wise MNers who've been in your position and have come out the other side. You don't have to put up with this misery.