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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
ptumbi · 22/04/2017 12:40

OP - gie him the 2 choices. Either he puts as much effort into your relationship as he is currently putting into a relationship with her

OR

He loses you, and possibly still doesn't 'have' her.

It's an emotional affair, at the very least.

I would definitely look into getting rid, and at least then he'd not be able to belittle you and bring you down all the time. That is your problem, not necessarily her.

HE is your problem.

ItsReginaPhalange · 22/04/2017 12:41

He is a cock. Go to the gym (if that is what you want) work and get your self esteem up. I take it if it was the other way around he would be fine with it? Whether you believe it or not, you do deserve better than that prick.

lazycrazyhazy · 22/04/2017 12:45

I was also going to suggest relate. If he isn't prepared to go and open up and get a professional opinion from a neutral professional I think you have your answer.

lizzyj4 · 22/04/2017 12:50

Agree, he's a prize prick and this sounds like an emotional affair at the v. least.

Try to focus more on things you want to do (whether that's going to the gym or something else), things that will build your self-esteem and make you happy, and stop obsessing so much about how he's behaving very selfishly.

If he can't give you what you need (feeling valued etc.), find a way of giving it to yourself.

nauticant · 22/04/2017 12:51

It's an emotional affair.

He is gaslighting you and has been slowly wearing away your self-confidence for years.

If this turns into an affair it will be "your fault". He's already doing the groundwork to argue this.

He has confused you so much he's engineered a situation in which one of the few places you can get support, this place, he can monitor.

He's an arsehole.

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 12:51

He says he'd be fine if it was me texting a male friend and I don't 100% know if that's true but part of me feels like he wouldn't care. I feel like he would be happy that it meant someone else was giving me what I needed emotionally. I feel like a burden to him - a noose around his neck. I would want him to care that I was going out with another man or even just constantly laughing and joking with another man, but I genuinely don't think he would care.

I don't know if that means he's happy to just plod on as things are, with me being around but not needing/wanting anything from him. He says he's not happy either but when I ask why, he says it's the arguments. Those arguments only come about because I complain about the way he behaves and treats me. I feel like I try to look nice and cook a nice meal for him and it's wasted. So if I didn't argue about being unhappy, I think he would be quite happy with our situation.

I don't think he would want me to leave and I don't think he would want me to be in a relationship with someone else or having sex with someone else but I think he'd be happy if someone took away that emotional burden.

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Salubrious · 22/04/2017 12:52

I'm very laid back and even I would have an issue with this OP. My ExH had a job where he had to entertain clients often women which I was fine with but if he had been texting them all throughout the night I would have had an issue with that - more so because it impacts on your time with your DH.

HerOtherHalf · 22/04/2017 12:55

I've now had kids and my weight fluctuations have left me with saggy boobs, a wrinkled stomach, stretch marks/lines/wrinkles on inner and outer thighs from where the skin has stretched

None of that matters to someone who loves you. If it matters to your husband, he doesn't love you. If it matters significantly to you then you need to learn how to love yourself again. It sounds like he's played a very large part in you not loving yourself frankly.

Neither of you are happy. If you were both prepared to work together to change that there might be hope for the relationship. It sounds like you'd be open to trying to improve things but it seems he just wants you to shut up and let him do what he wants. I don't see that you have many options other than to call it a day and build a new life for yourself without him.

nauticant · 22/04/2017 12:59

One solution that's common in these situations is that he could move onto the next poor woman whose head he'd be able to mess up and you as a SAHM could get the house. Would that be affordable OP?

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 13:00

I'm going to show him all the messages when he comes back later and I will suggest Relate. We don't have any childcare so this would only work if we could do it locally, during school/nursery hours. Do Relate actually make suggestions or just listen? My husband would happily tell them how I make him feel but I think he needs to be told that he's wrong sometimes. I'm not perfect at all and have done wrong but I do accept my mistakes and try to change, whereas he just twists things and tries to push the blame onto me.

I think, in an ideal world, my husband would like to have me and the kids at home, lots of smiles from us and family time at the weekend but also be free to do whatever he wanted around/during that. I can't imagine him having an affair or actually breaking up our home life for the kids, but I think, if I gave him freedom to sext/flirt/make inappropriate jokes and comments with a female friend, he'd quite enjoy that. I'm probably naive in thinking he wouldn't take it further than that but he loves women and loves banter. He has sometimes said things to school mums (who I actually know and like) which are almost inappropriate when he doesn't even know them well, but he says it's banter. He's a flirt and I think he feels tied down with us, but likes being able to say he's married with kids.

OP posts:
longdays · 22/04/2017 13:02

I haven't read the full thread, but my ex did this. I tried to be nice about it, but he was taking the piss. It eventually stopped when the boyfriend of the woman he was texting found out.

ShiningArmour · 22/04/2017 13:04

What a shit relationship you have, seriously you should LTB.

nauticant · 22/04/2017 13:07

in an ideal world, my husband would like to have me and the kids at home, lots of smiles from us and family time at the weekend but also be free to do whatever he wanted around/during that. I can't imagine him having an affair or actually breaking up our home life for the kids, but I think, if I gave him freedom to sext/flirt/make inappropriate jokes and comments with a female friend, he'd quite enjoy that. I'm probably naive in thinking he wouldn't take it further than that but he loves women and loves banter. He has sometimes said things to school mums (who I actually know and like) which are almost inappropriate when he doesn't even know them well, but he says it's banter. He's a flirt and I think he feels tied down with us, but likes being able to say he's married with kids

Trans: he wants a housekeeper and doormat while being free to go in search of women to fuck.

HerOtherHalf · 22/04/2017 13:09

"It's banter"

Definition: An excuse used predominantly by dickheads young or immature males for highly inappropriate, offensive, bullying or misogynistic verbal utterances.

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 13:10

We own the house outright so there wouldn't be a mortgage but nevertheless, there are other bills and kids aren't cheap (even if he pays half). I think they'd have to miss out on some of their after school stuff as I couldn't afford it and DH couldn't subsidise it all as he'd have to find a new house to live in.

I've checked out the benefits we'd be entitled to and it's literally just child benefit, child tax credits and council tax benefit. The kids currently have lots of opportunities to do clubs and all have busy social lives. They also have holidays and regular trips out and about, which would all have to stop.

As I haven't worked in ages, it's impossible to find work without references and then trying to fit it around their school times etc. If I went full time, I couldn't afford the childcare and that's if I could even find anywhere as everywhere locally is full.

Thank you to everyone that has taken the time to reply. Just to be told that I'm not mad, has made a difference. I totally appreciate the comments about us both having faults and early-on in our relationship, I wasn't easy to live with so I know I played more than my part in spoiling things. I just wanted someone to boost my confidence so I could become the person I wanted to be. My husband didn't help and I really have become less jealous and controlling myself because I just didn't like the person I had become. I still feel like I'm not 'me' though. Yes I'm naturally shy but I want to do things, go places etc and it's not happening with my husband. Sadly, I just feel that money is very important too and by splitting, none of us would have the money to do much of anything.

OP posts:
YokoReturns · 22/04/2017 13:18

OP Relate isn't recommended for couples when there is suspected abusive behaviour.

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 13:19

I've found the banter inappropriate but because these other mums seem flattered by him, he says it's all me and that no one else would have an issue with it. He thinks I'm boring.

He went telling his work colleagues about my bra size yesterday - knowing I'm not overly confident about them since having kids and years of breastfeeding. He said he was just saying that he thought a DD was huge (apparently 'friends' cup size) because I was only an A or B when he met me. I was a B cup, not a bloody A!! I feel like I have tiny boobs anyway but this made me sound like a woman in a vest! He said it was just chat but I don't want other people (strangers to me) to know my bra size. I said it was the same as telling them how much I weighed, but he said I was being silly and he wouldn't have cared if I had told the school mums what he weighed etc.

I was also upset that he was talking about boob sizes with her and now knows her size. I know this is silly because he's not seen them etc and normally wouldn't have bothered me so much, but this weekend, it hurts. Apparently she was talking about fat women always having big boobs (she's overweight), so he wasn't just asking her how big they are, but still.

I feel like I have no personal life anymore and no one to confide in as I'm sure he would go to work and tell everyone.

OP posts:
nauticant · 22/04/2017 13:22

Here's a thought OP, go for that two couples meeting and go through these texts with the woman's husband. Naturally your husband would be content to sit there while you did this.

Findingthisdifficult1234 · 22/04/2017 13:22

That is truly awful and not normal behaviour in a relationship OP.
Sounds like he's having an emotional affair. Your worth more than this.

Findingthisdifficult1234 · 22/04/2017 13:22

*you are

Glittermakeseverythingbetter · 22/04/2017 13:23

OP in ten years time your kids won't remember what after school clubs they went to, but they will remember a sad mum who was treated like a doormat by their father xx

Huskylover1 · 22/04/2017 13:24

Let me start by saying, that I am very happily married, so I'm not a sour old bag posting this!

Your husband sounds very similar to my first husband. OF COURSE it is not normal for him to be texting another female all evening. At best he's having an emotional affair. At wors,t maybe physical as well. It's heading that way in any case. He is being spectacularly cruel. He doesn't care for you. He's making that very clear.

NOW HERE IS THE INTERESTING BIT......

Something you both don't seem to realise, is exactly how the finances would be split if you were to get a shit hot lawyer and throw him out. You would actually get far more of the marital assets than he would. If you were to sell the house, you get more of the cash, because: a) his pension pot will be bigger than yours, so he has to give you the cash equivalent to even that up, and b) you gave up your career to care for the children, and he did not, so he has to pay you "economic recompense" for this.

Also, as you are the children's main carer, you have the right to stay in the marital home, until your youngest is 18. He is the one who has to leave and get a bedsit and he has to pay child support. You get the child benefit (always paid to mother) and you would also get help from the government. A good solicitor will draw you up an agreement that would make his eyes water so much, that the pain of his new reality after you chuck him out, may take the focus of his dick for the forseeable. You are in an incredibly strong position.

As for your body hang up's, he has done that to you. And after you bore his children too. What a fucking prince. Believe me, there are plenty of single men out there that will a) find you attractive and b) not treat you this badly.

I left my first husband, due to all of his flirting/kissing multiple OW, and guess what, found a truly lovely guy (who I am now married to), he loves me for me, and couldn't give a shit that I have a few stretch marks due to having children. First husband is still a ladies man, flits between women, can't seem to find anyone great, must realise the grass wasn't greener, as he races towards 50.

Kick him out. Get a shit hot lawyer. Flowers

I (like you) had children with my first husband, that left me with the usual saggy bits. You know what? My DH cares not, he loves me for me, and he isn't the father of the chl

yetmorecrap · 22/04/2017 13:26

Been there, got the T shirt, even down to the juvenile nighty nights. In my case it was an employee of ours single mum, needy and bored. Husband at home a lot on his own whereas I was down at my office (we work together but separately). Progressed from way too much texting to what's app, I tracked what's app using an online app (no spyware needed) and then QR coded his what's app from his phone to my iPad. IT was all crap stuff, no affair just in her case someone with too much time on her hands and in my husbands case I think he got a buzz from it even though he doesn't fancy her and vice versa, it varied the day. Anyway I told him what I thought , especially about the secrecy and deleting , told him what for and said any more of this shit and I'm off, soon stopped .in your case I would say if he doesn't stop it that you will be contacting her husband to see if he fancies evening texting given that your h and his w are so occupied!! You are so not being unreasonable, he is bang out of order and telling you he doesn't fancy you unless done up to the nines is in my opinion someone half way out the marriage already I'm sorry to say. If you think he may be what sapping in secret , PM me and I will tell you how to track legally how much is going on. You need to have both numbers. I can also tell you how to QR code the what's app messages if you can access his phone for 2 minutes and have a PC, phone or iPad

user262728 · 22/04/2017 13:29

He is taking the piss. What complete disrespect to go to dinner both on your own and sat with you and your kids and spend the time texting someone else regardless of who it is and the context.

Sounds like he is trying to push it all back on you but I think he is the wrong and know I would feel the same. Not what a husband should be doing imo x

Huskylover1 · 22/04/2017 13:30

Oh dear lord, I just saw your update.

He's actually trying to hurt you. Otherwise why tell you about that boob conversation?

What a fucking dick head.

How would he feel, if you asked another man what size his dick was, and then follow that up with how your husbands dick was smaller?

Your husband needs a punch in the face with a brick.

I think in your shoes, I'd be paying this woman's husband a visit, to tell him that his wife is having an affair with your H. You can say you don't know the extent of it, but suggest that he had the right to know.

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