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Is it me? Is my husbands behaviour normal?

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user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 10:37

Hi,

I just want someone else's perspective on my current situation with my husband as I feel like I'm going mad and like he's making me out to be a crazy woman. He knows I'm posting this here and has specifically asked that I post how I behave and react as he thinks I'm abnormal and unreasonable so I'm going to be completely honest.

My husband started a new job 6 months ago and has got on well with colleagues. His phone often went at home with his boss wanting to chat and that was fine - I even encouraged it because I want him to enjoy his work and he wants to climb the ladder. This boss would ring once most evenings and send the odd text or two. He would also occasionally (every few days) get the odd text from other colleagues.

Since he started, he's arranged and participated in a couple of nights out and I've been happy enough to drop him off.

A couple of months ago, he became good friends with a female colleague who is married but they get on well. He says as friends and I have no reason not to believe this. However, since he became friends with her, his phone is bleeping with messages on and off all evening, through text and Facebook. He initiates as many of the conversations as she does and it's all waffle about rubbish mainly but friend chat. Over the last few days as an example, there have been messages on and off from teatime until literally when he's laid in bed to say 'goodnight'.

We had a big fall out last weekend as we've not been close for years. Not because I didn't want us to be close but we had got into a rut and he didn't make much of an effort so I felt a bit rubbish. He was honest that he saw me as a sister and didn't find me attractive as I had let myself go. Instead of feeling sorry for myself, all week I have dressed up, done my hair and make up and made an effort not to nag and to be happy and more fun to be around. He has said I look nice and has initiated sex a couple of times this week and said he does find me attractive now (find it hard to believe after a few days but I have low self esteem). I said last weekend that we needed to spend more quality time together and he needs to show willing and not be on his phone all night, yet last few nights he's been on his phone until midnight to this friend.

I didn't want to have more fall outs as I promised not to be a nag so ignored the texts the night before but ended up with an argument last night. I thought it was unreasonable to be messaging her and hearing the phone ping all night until bedtime (especially less than a week after a fall out) and felt he wasn't valuing our time when the kids were in bed. We were sat together and the tv is on but we can't watch anything together as hes got his phone in his hand and is messaging back and forth throughout the evening. I felt like we have another person sat with us, but he doesn't understand this and says I'm being OTT, that I'm jealous (i am jealous of the time and attention he pays to her but not of her).

He says it's normal for people with friends to text each other a lot and rude not to and that it's all in my head. I don't have any close friends so wouldn't know if it's normal or not but to me, it seemed excessive and left no time for us. It wasn't even important stuff they were talking about. He says the content doesn't matter and that it's fun. When I said I thought it was just too much, he rants about how I don't want him to have friends or a life and makes it sound like I wanted him never to text. I was clear that it wasn't that he was messaging her but that it was too many messages, cutting into our time and that he wasn't making an effort with us. He said he had to text back because it would be rude not to when she has text him, but doesn't see anything rude in sitting next to me and virtually ignoring me.

We've got up this morning and I'm still angry and hurt because I took all the appearance criticism on the chin last weekend and have tried so hard to make an effort on my appearance. He thinks he's made an effort by complimenting me and initiating sex and therefore I think he feels that I should then allow him to do what he likes with his evenings and be grateful. Is he really making an effort? Would this be enough to make you happy? I feel like I just get him back in bed but that he doesn't really want to spend any quality time with me, even when we have the chance after the kids go to bed.

In fairness to him, I don't know if it is just me being unreasonable? I don't have friends so wouldn't know what is normal. I have low self esteem (partly brought on I think by feeling unappreciated and unloved). I honestly don't feel jealous of her and don't think he's 'at it' with her as he assumes I do. I just feel like I must not be fun enough or connect well enough with him, for him to feel like he wants to start a conversation with her instead of talking and doing things with me. So maybe it is my low self esteem that's at fault. I know he thinks it's all me.

He's recently been telling her that we should all meet up (me and her husband too and our kids) and do things together and doesn't understand why I'm not keen. He says it's because I haven't any friends and I just want to live alone, but it's because I feel she's in between our relationship at the moment (only of course as my husband is allowing her to be) but it isn't making me want to spend my free time with her.

He talks about it being rude not to text back which I get but he intiates a lot of the conversations, knowing she will ask things back and he will in turn have to respond. This then goes on and on.

We have been out for lunch/dinner twice this week. Once with kids and once alone. On both occasions, whilst in the restaurant or when leaving, he's already texting her about where he is and what he's doing. Again, knowing she will respond. I just feel like he can't bear to spend time alone with me or even me and the kids.

He thinks it's all my fault now because he's suggested going out as a family this morning and I'm not keen now. However, this is after a row last night and him not understanding my feelings at all. He also woke up and realised she had messaged him before bed and has already exchanged a few more messages this morning (to be polite). It's made me so angry and I don't want to just jump when he tells me to this morning. He even texts this colleague before work and during work sometimes, and obviously sees a fair bit of her at work too. Again, the texts aren't anything important - just 'wakey wakey' etc and it goes on from there.

He has tried to pretend that he's only sent a few messages some nights when I know full well from the pings that he's been texting much more. So I have looked at his phone to prove him wrong. He says I'm controlling for reading them but I genuinely don't care about the content, I'm just wanting to see that I'm not going mad and that he has been at it all night (not the hour or so he owns up to). I've said he could change his passwords etc because i don't want to read the messages, but because I have looked, I'm now just a mad, controlling wife. But he had lied and I knew he had so this was to prove my point.

I have in the past been controlling. Before having kids, I got jealous of every woman he met. I did hate it when he went out without me and would be in a mood or cause a fall out on his return. He cut ties with some friends and tells me it was my fault. It wasn't as they all moved on but I didn't make it easy to have contact with them.

Since then, we've had kids and I've grown up. My confidence has still been rock bottom but I've allowed him out on occasional nights out and haven't moaned or caused fall outs. I've bought him a new shirt and dropped him off. I've even been ok about the work nights out but this constant texting and lack of connection between us is driving me mad.

He now says that he accepts he was wrong and won't text late at night, but this is only because I've had to tell him it's unreasonable and to be honest, he seems pretty fed up at having to do this. I don't want to be with a man who has to be told to spend time with me or suggest something fun for us to do. He says all 'normal' folk are the same, that they're on their phone all the time and texting and friends are just part of a normal life. So he obviously doesn't see anything wrong in his behaviour and would just be changing to please me. But that doesn't please me because he hasn't actually decided to put us first, I've had to tell him to and that makes me feel rotten.

Am I wrong? I feel like I'm going mad!

OP posts:
robinofsherwood · 22/04/2017 17:07

The idea of him complimenting you, initiating sex and then counting that as EFFORT and him doing something for you so he should get to do what he wants afterwards makes me so sad & angry for you. If my DH said that I cant imagine ever sleeping with him again.

I agree with everyone else I think you should and can divorce him and build a much happier life alone.

However, if you cant do that I think shift the focus from him to you. Go to the gym - he's in anyway texting her. Find an evening class or perhaps a part time job or training to meet new people and boost your confidence. If working on your appearance is something you want to do for you, do that.

Maybe if he sees you'll be fine without him, he'll realise he still wants you. Maybe at that point you'll still want him. But hopefully you'll just see you can be an amazing person on your own.

Olddear · 22/04/2017 17:15

I know men like him. Believe me, those school mums maybe smiling at his inappropriate remarks and 'banter' but they will be groaning inwardly when they see him coming.
He's a sleazeball.

LoveDeathPrizes · 22/04/2017 18:21

Olddear Is right. They'll also be thinking "Oh god, his poor wife!"

ItsCakeTime · 22/04/2017 18:41

I logged on to say exactly what @olddear said.

HeavenlyEyes · 22/04/2017 18:41

I don't see how being busy and letting him realise he wants you is the best idea. Why on earth should you want him is the question here. Who gives a fuck what he wants? Well apart from his OW, she may care momentarily. Until she too finds out what an inadequate know he is.

happypoobum · 22/04/2017 18:50

Totally agree with husky

Get rid of this loser. Who cares if he has to sleep on a friends sofa - anyway I am sure his lovely new friend will put him up.

He is having an emotional affair at the very least and is taunting you with it. I am sure he thinks he is really clever.

Bin him and start over.

Thinkingofausername1 · 22/04/2017 19:40

You poor thing
Go on the day out and outrageously flirt with her dh. See how she likes it

Misstic · 22/04/2017 19:58

Your husband told you he regards you as a sister and does not find you attractive anymore. He has been honest. The relationship has probably run its course. It doesn't sound like he is interested in you anymore. You are torturing yourself by staying with him.

MrsDoylesTeabags · 22/04/2017 20:11

I'm glad he told you to start this thread and I don't think you should be having relationship therapy with him. He is bullying, gaslighting and abusive.
He sees your weaknesses and preys on them, that's not what a loving husband does. A loving husband would support and make you feel stronger.
I believe he is having at least an emotional affair with this woman, his behaviour is not normal and his response to your concerns is not normal.
I'm so sorry you're going through this OP it must have taken a lot for you to lay your feelings bare on like this and it must feel terrible to have this all laid out in black and white for you. Please take time to take in the responses that you are getting and I hope it gives you strength to move on which I think for your own health will be better without him Flowers

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 22/04/2017 20:16

What everybody else has said.
Imho, he likes two women dancing to his tune. OP , just stop it. The "pick me dance" is humiliating...You know nothing will be enough for him to call off the "contest".

I agree that this is an affair in plain sight. This proves how contemptible he feels towards you. He won't even respect you enough to try to hide it.

Publicizing your private details is crossing another sacred boundary akin to "kiss and tell". He apparently enjoys quite a bit of entertainment at your (emotional) expense through humiliating you over and over. Every time he texts her in your presence on your time is another stab of humiliation. It sounds like he enjoys doing that to you as much as he enjoys texting like a 13 year old the Other Woman. He is getting off on your unhappiness.

I don't see how you can, or would want to, come back from that, OP , even if he did stop contact with the Other Woman.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that your husband is leaving himself open to a sexual harassment charge at work. So, divorce him quick, before he loses his job.
It would serve him right and as my dh says: he is a swine.

user1492849995 · 22/04/2017 20:29

Thank you all for your replies. My head is a bit of a mess but I feel a lot more able to make some tough decisions.

I am contemplating calling my mum. We haven't spoken in years as my family also used me as a doormat, but she has tried to contact me many times since and I think she misses me. I miss her and I feel so bad for excluding them from my children's lives because in actual fact, my kids loved them and still talk about memories they have (which make me feel so sad). I could be opening another huge can of worms and I'm hoping I'm not going to be rejected, but I could really do with some support.

I'm just so scared of being turned away and not looking forward to raking up the past. I also have no idea how I explain this to my children.

When we ceased contact, I told them their grandparents were being selfish and not making time to see us. I didn't know what to say and I didn't want to paint them in a bad light but wanted to be honest and they didn't make time for us. I said I thought they had moved house as they would ask about them everytime we passed their house. They haven't moved and I don't know whether my parents would be upset and angry that I told them that they didn't make time etc. I only told the truth but have I made things too awkward now? My parent saw my kids from babies but how are they going to feel about trying to get close to much older children now? The eldest is 9.

OP posts:
user1492889010 · 22/04/2017 20:46

I have been in almost the EXACT same situation as you apart from we hadn't had our daughter yet when it first started (started when I was pregnant).

We had tons of arguments about it, even almost broke up. It IS over the line, it isn't appropriate at all. Yes, it's totally fine to have friends of the opposite sex, I actually have mainly male friends, but texting 24/7 is not right, it's even totally disrespectful to you.

Luckily he realised she was a crazy attention seeking bitch and blocked her from everything and told me to do the same but it took years to get to this point as he never could see the fault in it.

You need to tell him it's you or her. I know ultimatums are bad but it's never going to be resolved otherwise. With his attitude like that he'll just move to hiding it from you. Stay strong, Hun. Xx

LoveDeathPrizes · 23/04/2017 00:47

Get rid, if only because he thinks it's legit to have sex with someone he sees as a sister.

FluffyWhiteTowels · 23/04/2017 09:10

Just call your mum. You'd want yours to recontact if same thing happened. Be honest and say how much you've missed them but you only just realised how much you'd been controlled by your H.

You have MN behind you cheering you on

moonfacebaby · 23/04/2017 09:15

He's a weak, pathetic, sleazy wanker & you are worth way more than this twat.....

Get yourself a SHL & divorce him. You will get the house until the kids are 18 at least & you can build a new life. Voluntary work will help you to get a reference initially & with maintenance & all available benefits to help you start afresh, you'll finally be free of him.

BlondeBecky1983 · 23/04/2017 09:21

Go to the event and have a word with her husband, see if he is aware of how much they text, he likely isn't and would not be co comfortable with it. It's clear he definitely enjoys her company more than yours right now. Try and get out OP, you deserved better!

BlondeBecky1983 · 23/04/2017 09:22

Good luck xx

thebakerwithboobs · 23/04/2017 09:37

Op, your husband needs to be an ex husband.

I actually agree with him that you can be friends with the opposite sex-I am good friends with one of my male work colleagues. He is hilarious and we are very similar in our approaches to life and work but he is the least fanciable man (to me, I'm sure he's lovely to his wife) I've ever met! He feels the same about me. However, he does not text me goodnight!

If your husband's new friend were a bloke, they would not be messaging each other wakey wakey or good night would he?

Whether he's slept with her or not, he's having an affair. At best, he's stringing her along because he likes to feel in control and superior. I'm not usually a swearer (check my posts!) but your husband sounds like an enormous throbber-in fact, I'm going to drop my first ever Cbomb. Get. Rid.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/04/2017 09:45

You have more pressing concerns that your mother at this point and your H needs to become an ex husband.

She could have reached out to you over the years as well but has chosen not to do so. Also it will be opening a box that once opened will not get closed again at all easily. From the little you have written about your family of origin anyway they treated you very poorly; such people do not readily if at all change. I would keep them well away from your children and seek other more local means of support.

junebirthdaygirl · 23/04/2017 09:54

I get on very well with male colleagues. We have a laugh and a chat. But l only text them at home if l have a specific question and same with them. I respect their marriages and their private lives. Your dh is completely out of order and showing a complete lack of respect for you and even for his dc. He sounds horrible.

Hang1nthere · 23/04/2017 14:46

Going through something similar, although earlier stage. I really feel for you OP.
In my case it has made me realise how isolated I have become overt the years. Putting all my energy into my family into making a nice home and leaving little for ME.
Your h is a prick for putting you down like that. Mine hasnt done that but is saying he loves me and plays happy families. And then i found out he's texting her allsorts. I talked to a counselor and got the advice to ask h what he thinks he is doing. They said: don't let him have his tart and eat it. (almost funny... )
What i got from it is: The important thing is what YOU want and how YOU feel, and the fact that if you are to have a marriage you should both work at making your other half happy. Having these things come from one side only will be no good. If he's not in it, he should be out.

I still have to bring this up with my h and am back and forth on how to do it. I for me am scared shitless, do not want to do a pick me dance whatever it is, but feel strongly that no way I am going to be second choice or what you settle for. Life is too short.

yetmorecrap · 23/04/2017 15:06

My h genuinely seemed to think it was entertainment to relieve the tedium of the day, just as we might come on Mumsnet. And our employee who was sending all this shit is a single mum with lots of single male friends, I really don't think she got it when she sees it as just friends stuff, what she forgets is that unless your DH is saying 'look at this' at some funny link etc, the poor wife can't see all these messages , just the volume and if they are embarrassed as mine was at sheer volume, they are deleting. Personally I think I would go down route of asking her OH if he is comfortable about this and tell him you are not,

user1483035736 · 23/04/2017 18:14

As he knows it upsets you I can't understand why he hasn't stopped...is this relationship with you important to him or not? If it is he should want to avoid upsetting you insead of telling you your abnormal ...dear me!

xxJennyxx · 23/04/2017 19:34

Hi OP,
Unfortunately i've been in this situation myself, texting constantly then when I asked him to stop the contact moved to email and FB messenger. I asked the Ex numerous times if there was anything going on with his work colleague but he always said they were just friends. After about a year of the texting he walked out on me and our son when we were asleep.
Alarm bells should be ringing for you :(

Misstic · 23/04/2017 20:09

OP, I know it may be difficult to accept but your husband has moved on. He told you he isn't attracted to you anymore and his behaviour shows he does not care about you in a way that a husband should. I think he has told you all you need to know on both words and actions. So you should really move on and stop allowing yourself to be abused further.

Pick yourself up and leave him. He does not want to be with you and you shouldn't want to be with him either. Yoy deserve better. Much better.