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found my partner spying on me

403 replies

user1488448211 · 02/03/2017 09:55

hello. we are getting married this summer and found that my fiance has installed a spy program on his computer to check on me at home. basically, the spy program is video recording. he first denied he installed, i searched with him on his computer and showed him that he searched for it on google, he denied again that he searched. finally, he told me that: aaaa i remember, i forgot, i have installed only to see how works as a home security program. i know he is lying because the camera went live at the moment i arrived at home and this is strange. now, he is the one upset for this and not talking to me. what should i do?

OP posts:
Atenco · 07/04/2017 12:10

Do get out and take some classes that involve exercise, OP, like dance or swimming. Join the local Freedom Programme. Look after yourself, you have had a lucky escape.

user1490862086 · 07/04/2017 12:19

i don't believe here in romania we have local Freedom Programme..i'll try to go out by myself, all my friends are in relationships and i can't bother them now after i was invisible for a year cause my friends were stupid..

KindDogsTail · 07/04/2017 14:59

I am sorry if this sounds rude, but I did have the impression you might be in a country where men still might often try to keep control over women.

That is why the psychiatrist was also abusing you and telling you how you should be staying in this harmful relationship instead of telling you to escape.

I think you will need to keep writing here to have more emotional support than you might have at home.

Here in the UK the sort of abuse you experienced is now more talked about.

Atenco · 07/04/2017 15:10

Sorry, I assumed you were in the UK. There is an online version of the Freedom Programme.

I don't really know what is behind your comment that your friends are stupid, but I do know that abusive men and women generally do their best to separate their partners from all their friends. My dd had an abusive boyfriend who was always pointing out each of her friends' faults and yes her friends did have faults because we all do.

Trich · 07/04/2017 23:40

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user1490862086 · 10/04/2017 07:27

i still cant believe i was a victim of a psychopath..google it psychopath in the weekend and found the abusive circle: idealization, devaluation and discard..i still can't believe..maybe i am just thinking, maybe he is not, i don't know..but remember exactly the way he was on the begining, how he adored me and wanted to spend every sec with me, and after some months he changed and told me he wanted to be his first priority, to give him space..and now discard by making me feel guilty for everything..i can't believe

user1490862086 · 10/04/2017 10:02

also he emailed me on Friday night, asking how are u, that he misses me, but he is still confused and doesn't know what he wants..that all he wanted was peace and understanding in the relationship, that he doesn't want me to change for him, not to be me anymore and that's why he is still confused about us. that he doesn't want me to withdrawn and keep the bag things for me, instead of saying to him. whaaat? still confused? again it's my fault? i didn't give him peace and understanding? is this peace and understanding in a relationship equal to not saying anything you don't like about your partner? not bringing up issues with your partner only to keep peace and understanding? ok, i know i was more critical with him and i argued often as he never wanted to understand my point of view..but i don't think that by not bringing up issues it's ok for a relationship to work..am i going crazy? i don't know, he really thinks that my behavior brought him to this confusion..and he implemented this in my head too and now i can't get rid of all these negative thoughts..thinking on all my mistakes and avoiding his mistakes

MusicIsMedicine · 10/04/2017 10:06

Do not reply. He is just fucking with your head.

Look, he is a lunatic. Move on and save your sanity.

ptumbi · 10/04/2017 10:21

Why is he still emailing you? Why is he not blocked? If he is 'confused', that's his problem - leave him to sort himself out.

It's not your fault.

BLOCK HIM on everything.

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 10:28

He keeps contacting you because he doesn't want you getting wise and moving on.

Every time you engage and give him headspace, you give him another chance to weaken your resolve.

Remember, you've been with a psychopath and you need to heal. It will take time. But every time you interact with this monster, you give him a chance to mess with you again.

user1490862086 · 10/04/2017 12:36

i just can't keep my head up and feel good..it seems a bad dream and i want to sleep over and over again to forget :(

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 12:39

You are traumatised by your experience.

That's understandable.

But you won't feel better by continuing to engage with the person who caused this problem in the first place!

You need to build up your boundaries and self-esteem.

Give yourself room to breathe, because this man won't do it for you.

Spend more time thinking about ways to help yourself and less time thinking about your ex.

He doesn't really start becoming your ex, until you've let him go!

Flowers
floraeasy · 10/04/2017 12:40

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/anger-in-the-age-entitlement/200811/emotional-abuse-overcoming-victim-identity

In terms of your health, happiness, and deepest values, one of the worst things that can happen is to live with a resentful, angry, or emotionally abusive partner. The worst thing you can develop, in terms of your health, happiness, and deepest values, is an identity as a victim.

Victim identity destroys personal power and undermines the sense of self. It makes you falsely identify with "damage" done to you or with bad things that have happened to you. The cry I hear over and over again from those who live with resentful, angry, or emotionally abusive partners is, "I don't like the person I've become."

Once emotional abuse occurs in a relationship, it becomes necessary not only to stop the abuse but to overcome victim identity through a strong identification with your inherent strengths, talents, skills, power, and appreciation of the self as a unique, ever-growing, competent, and compassionate person. This is accomplished through an emphasis on healing, growth, and empowerment, not by reviewing checklists of behaviors that qualify you as a victim or by reading lengthy descriptions of the resentful, angry, or abusive behavior and attitudes of your partner.

Detailed descriptions of your possible symptoms or of your partner's angry, abusive behavior are not only unnecessary for your recovery, they can cause harm by encouraging victim identity. If you live with an abusive person, you know better than any self-help author or advocate that your relationship has put thorns in your heart. You don't need a description of the thorns to know how much they hurt. You need to learn how to take them out and heal the wounds in ways that prevent scarring.

Perhaps the most insidious thorn in the heart that comes from living with a resentful, angry, or emotionally abusive partner is the feeling that you cannot be well until your partner changes. This understandable but tragic assumption is the first thorn you must remove from your heart. You deserve to heal and grow, whether or not your partner does.

Although a sense of fairness and justice tells you that your abusive partner ought to be the one to make changes, your pain tells you that you need to become the fully alive person you are meant to be. (Pain is not a punishment; it motivates behavior that heals, improves, and protects.) This means that you have to remove the focus from your partner and put it squarely on you. Renewed compassion for yourself will lead directly to a deeper compassion for your resentful, angry, or abusive partner. With that compassion you will demand meaningful, lasting change, for you will appreciate the enormous harm he does to himself when he hurts you. One of two things is likely to result from your reclamation of self and your compassionate demands on your abusive partner. You may be able to stop walking on eggshells and step into a deeper relationship with a more compassionate, loving partner. But if he chooses not to do the hard work of breaking abusive habits, for his sake, for the sake of your children, and for your own sake, you will no longer tolerate his resentful, angry, or abusive behavior. From your core value, you will stop walking on eggshells, one way or the other.

As you experience the enormous depth of your core value, the last thing you will want to do is identify with being a victim, or a survivor, for that matter. You want to outgrow walking on eggshells, not simply survive it, and you do that only by realizing your fullest value as a person.

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 12:41

Read this article in full:

www.thefusionmodel.com/10-effective-techniques-help-recover-emotional-abuse/

1 Recognise that you are not the problem
2 Don’t live in denial
3 Assess your relationship and the consequences of the decisions you will make to address the abusive relationship
4 Set boundaries
5 Confront them directly all the time
6 Stick to the ‘knitting’
7 Simply cut them off
8 Seek professional help and guidance
9 Find new healthy relationships
10 Move on

user1490862086 · 10/04/2017 12:43

how can i move on with my head up after this experience? all i am thinking is that i was the guilty one that made him leave me..and i cannot borrow these thoughts, are obsessing me thinking that my neediness, my criticism and my argues made him leave me and maybe that's why he changed..i want to apologize just to come back, i want to make the things work by changing me and i don't want to want these..i don't want to feel this way, to want him back, to return to him and get back together..i don't want to want these things :( i want to think rational and to see his mistakes too, it seems too much for me

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 12:50

how can i move on with my head up after this experience?

By seeking help. Professional help. By reading about other women who have managed to move on. You can do it too!

all i am thinking is that i was the guilty one that made him leave me

If you made a mean, horrible person leave you, that's a good thing! You should be celebrating.

..and i cannot borrow these thoughts, are obsessing me thinking that my neediness, my criticism and my argues made him leave me and maybe that's why he changed..i want to apologize just to come back

Sounds like you maybe have abandonment issues and don't like to be alone? Don't panic because he's gone. If you sort out your issues you will attract a much better man when you are ready.

i want to think rational and to see his mistakes too, it seems too much for me

IMO, thinking rationally would be recognising you've dodged a bullet with this man, seeking proper therapy and moving on. Build up your life and self-esteem - you need friends, hobbies, a job you love, things to look forward to. There should be no gaps in your life which need to be filled by a psychopath.

I wish you well on your journey Flowers

user1490862086 · 10/04/2017 12:51

how he could just move on with no care? how could he leave me before the wedding? why he made so many plans with me? babies, wedding? why he gave me this confidence and after he took away from me everything he said? why he was confused? what i did to him that he become confused? i didn't cheat on him or lied. why he asked me to marry him as he saw my behavior until then and the way i am and still went for the wedding? why he promised me so many things and forgot about everything? these obsessive thoughts are going through my mind each day and night

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 12:52

i lost my identity and confidence in myself

Your identity should never depend on a man - NEVER!!!

This is why you feel so lost. This is what you need to work on in therapy.

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 12:53

Why try and understand the impossible? Why not spend this time on YOU?

user1490862086 · 10/04/2017 12:56

@floraeasy thanks for your words and your time to write me..i know i need to be strong, but i am weak right now and i am struggling myself to understand everything, but i just can't have an answer for anything..

floraeasy · 10/04/2017 13:01

You're welcome, OP Smile

I've been there. If I could have the time back I've wasted on crying over men who didn't deserve my tears!

Life is short. You're a young woman. Please don't waste your life on a loser.

You probably can't do this yourself, so please get help and read tonnes of stuff on the web about how to heal from this relationship.

Don't think about this awful man any more. Every time you do, switch on a TV programme or watch your favourite comedy, read a book (nothing romantic or sad, please!). Contact a friend. Don't allow your mind to dwell.

KindDogsTail · 10/04/2017 20:53

the way he was on the begining, how he adored me and wanted to spend every sec with me,

That is what psycopaths do. I might have sent you some links before.
Nice men are more cautious at the beginning.

KindDogsTail · 10/04/2017 20:57

all i am thinking is that i was the guilty one that made him leave me

You did not make him do anything. He wants you to feel guilty, he has set you up.

But it is wonderful he has left. You have escaped from a horrible life.

KindDogsTail · 10/04/2017 21:00

Please send us a list of everything about you that is special!

For a start, are you a Romanian? Here in the UK, anyway, and for me, Eastern European women seem very interesting, attractive and romantic.

What are your hobbies or interests?

MamaHanji · 24/04/2017 13:41

Hi OP

How are you getting on?
Have you managed to find a better psychiatrist and have the house checked for any make hidden things?