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H stepped the f*ckery up to another level this weekend.

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PinkGlitter17 · 28/02/2017 23:38

My god. I have a H who's financially and emotionally abusive, and 2 DCs (8 & 2.5). I was posting last week about his behaviour and got tons of LTB responses, which I agree with, and then on Sunday he stepped it up. I'm still in shock and keep having to remind myself that it really happened.

not a good start to a post, is it?

I was setting out with DD to go to an art workshop that morning, and had left the kitchen in a mess, dishes and cake-baking gear piled up on the side, all ready to do them when i returned 2 hrs later. H comes into kitchen with DS, sees pots, asks incredulously whether it was all stuff that needed washing. I said yes, and that I would do it when I got back.

And he said NO! I was not to go anywhere until the kitchen was clean, "the way it should be left". i fought my corner and said he couldn't stop me from going out, and was he forbidding me?! He just kept saying no, I wasn't going anywhere. I carried on putting my shoes on, could see DD looking scared, DS (2) just watching.

H then went into our bedroom, ranting at me about a) a job he had decided i must apply for but "hadn't been arsed to get" and had been pathetic about, and b) taking the kids to my parents' for 2.5 days over Xmas, when he was working 1 of those days and had kicked up endless shit about me doing it when he had said he really didn't want me to. He said if I went to the art class, that was it, we were done, and he would leave. i stood in the hallway like a rabbit in the headlights, watching him and listening to him rant, thinking this was a crucial moment and that I was being totally watched by DD and shouldn't let H dictate to me like that, or deny me "permission" to go out. Rock and a hard place.

DD came to me, I went back in the kitchen, and H shut the door and held it so I couldn't open it. I shouted at him - "stop barricading me in the kitchen" - and after a few moments we got out. By the way, DS had been on his side of the door, so saw Daddy's behaviour {sad}

DD & I went in living room, sat on sofa, ignored H - he came in and loomed over us, glaring. i told him not to do that in front of DD. He said that cuddling DD wasn't getting the kitchen cleaned.

After a while, I went into the kitchen and DD followed me, bless her, and said she was going to help . We did all the fucking dishes and cleaned up, then were due to our cakes to a bake-off, so we got ready to go - and then found that H had buggered off in the car.

So I took DD and DS to where we were going, thinking that maybe H really had left. I got through the afternoon despite H's bullshit, and went to a women's meeting at the pub too, where everyone had brought their kids so the children all played while we chatted.

When we got home, I didn't know what to expect. H had cooked tea so we all had that. Long story short, after 1.5 days of (mutual) silence, H is speaking to me again, pretty much as if nothing happened. I've been reading about the cycle of charm-anger-explosion-calm that abusers use.

I've also been looking at benefits entitlements, spousal maintenance, child mainteneance, divorce settlements, and a house that's for rent in our village.

So sick of this shit.

OP posts:
Jux · 15/03/2017 23:55

Hey, poor you, it's such a difficult thing, and you are - unsurprisingly - unsure about so much. Uncharted territory is hard to navigate.

I'm not sure I'd tackle those friends. Just take what they offer you and assume that if they're seriously uncomfortable about it they'd either not do it or say something. Are they doing more than storing stuff for you now?

A secret blog or something is a good idea. Document everything! Make a good record which you can use to remind yourself of why you're taking this course of action, particularly once you have left him for good and you have wobbles or he tempts you with false promises; you can reread it and remember exactly what it's like to live with him.

Well done on coming back; glad you're here.

NightWanderer · 16/03/2017 00:14

I agree don't ask the friends and don't try mediation, he'll just use it to bully you. You don't owe him an explanation and don't have to talk to him. Keep focusing on getting out, that's all that's important.

DistanceCall · 16/03/2017 00:23

OP, GET OUT. Call the cottage owner again and explain the situation to her - she may not realise how important it is to you. If that fails, go and stay with your family.

This man is doing your head in, and he's sucking your friends in. Get out. And this time, don't come back. He's not going to be reasonable. He's abusive. There's no reasoning to be done.

PinkGlitter17 · 16/03/2017 00:24

Just had a really good chat with my cousin who has triumphed over a very similar situation. She rang me at 11:45Smile
I am focusing on getting out every second of every day. I have no illusions about him changing. He will not beg me to stay or to reconsider. He asked me today when I was going. Said he can't wait for me to be gone. The mediation idea was actually just for someone to hold space while I say everything I need to say to him. I have quite a list Wink Tomorrow I'm ringing a solicitor, benefits and WA. I go to bed tonight feeling much stronger and more forthright again.

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DistanceCall · 16/03/2017 00:28

Fantastic, Pink. Be strong. No mediation. You don't have to say anything to him. Your solicitor will.

PinkGlitter17 · 16/03/2017 00:29

As for using my energy on wondering whether those friends are honourable, my cousin said it's just bluster from H. The one who's storing stuff, I'm really not sure about ; the other one told me yesterday that she and her DH will do anything for me and the DCs because we are good friends - so if we need a lift or anything, I just have to text her. So I find the scaremongering a bit hard to believe.

Right, time for bed. X

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DistanceCall · 16/03/2017 00:33

He's trying to frighten you into toeing the line. Textbook stuff.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/03/2017 00:34

Wow! Quite the roller coaster.

I can't believe your friend betraying you that way, telling him that you were moving things. How else would he have found out?

You know, you have to do what you want, but I think in some situations there's just no point in talking. I mean, if the person you're trying to get through to isn't listening, if all they're doing is turning shit around on you, why bother? In a way, it gives them ammo. After all, you're telling them the list of things that 'get to you'. Why give them the ammo? Better to just say "I have nothing to say to you".

Glad you had a good talk with your cousin. Sounds as if she can be a source of advice and support.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/03/2017 00:38

xpost with you, pink

I hope you're right about your friend, but again, how would your H have found out any other way?

Jux · 16/03/2017 00:53

Great! You've got one friend who, together with her dh, will help you in whatever way they can, and another who's storing stuff. So you know h was fibbing about them and it was just a ploy. At worst, the one who's storing stuff was wrong-footed by him and just blurted thoughtlessly or he's making it up.

Your cousin sounds fantastic.

mathanxiety · 16/03/2017 03:23

It didn't take him long.

He attacked on three fronts:
(1) The drama involving swearing in the kitchen refocuses your attention on him, where he believes it belongs.
(2) The deadline - you are to have your points ready for him to sneer at in three days. This is him cracking the whip, showing you who is boss, whose timetable will be observed, who will chair the meeting, and actually he is thus telling you what the result will be. It will be what he calls a win for him. A win for him is all he is interested in. Your H is a man who engages with you with the intention of winning all interactions. This means his aim is that you will lose all interactions. Winning involves making you feel small, humiliated and without options. In this case, if you bring up grievances he will shoot them down and/or attempt to spread the blame for the horrible state of your relationship more on you than on him, and if you refuse to jump when he snaps his fingers and have this so-called discussion then you will be called 'difficult', 'intransigent', etc.
(3) The third front is the horribly sly imputation that your friends have been talking freely to him behind your back about how they helped you. What he is telling you may not be true at all. I wouldn't put it past a man like your H to make up utter lies in order to humiliate you.

He is putting you firmly in your place. You will be further punished for your uppityness. He is indeed trying to frighten you.

Please be careful to log off Mumsnet when you are done with a session. Unclick all 'keep me logged on' and 'remember my password' options. Clear your history and cookies.

PLEASE, please find a solicitor, and save your blog until after you have found out what divorce entails, where you stand wrt financial support afterwards, and about custody and visitation. Setting the record straight for your friends can wait.

PLEASE do not waste time doing mediation with this man. Your relationship is not salvageable - he is not interested in a normal relationship' all he wants is one where he can abuse his partner and if it wasn't you it would be someone else. You are never going to get an apology from him either, for any of the pain he has caused you. Your only hope is that he will find someone else to abuse very soon after you dump him (sorry to all the other women out there).

You can write your recollections after you have consulted a solicitor. Talk to your parents/family about funding divorce proceedings.

In three days tell him that as he can well understand you have a lot to mull over and that you will be in touch when you are good and ready. Tell him in the meanwhile you are confident he will be able to abide by the agreement you have to live civilly under the one roof and that it goes without saying that uncivil behaviour will mean a rethink of the 'one roof' arrangement.

mathanxiety · 16/03/2017 03:26

He is trying the shot in the dark method of inflicting a wound - he knows you have friends and he knows you didn't leave without help. He put 2 and 2 together and said the most hurtful thing he could conjure up.

I agree with Jux alternatively - that at worst he weaseled something out of one friend but he is still stabbing in the dark.

Atenco · 16/03/2017 03:52

Another one who doubts the truth about the friends. My abusive ex told my all kinds of stories about people criticising me and suchlike. About two particular friends he said that they couldn't understand why he was with me. By sheer accident about a year after I split up with him, those same two people told me that they had never understood what I saw in with him! Quite the reverse!

And mediation is totally a waste of time with that type of person. Even explaining yourself, because if he cannot see what is wrong with forbidding you from taking your dd to her event, locking you in the kitchen and shouting at you in front of the children, how on earth are you ever going to explain it to him?

Unicornsandrainbows3 · 16/03/2017 06:15

I think you are married to my ex. He did all the things you listed including lying to me about what dear friends had supposedly said. You are doing so well and are so strong! We're all here for you.

ChishandFips33 · 16/03/2017 06:29

He's playing with your sense of reality, trying to isolate you again so you only have him to turn to

He senses you've changed/got stronger and like any bully is trying to break/weaken you to reinstate his power

Don't believe what he's saying but keep focussed on your exit

If necessary speak to your child's school and explain the situation and go back to your parents.

Missing a little schooling in favour of not being around emotional abuse is, in my opinion, worth the trade for their long term well being.

Stay strong, you're doing great Flowers

Bananamanfan · 16/03/2017 06:41

Well done, Pink. You don't need to talk to him just get out. Get yourself on a waiting list for a HA property, i think you would be pretty near the top; homeless due to an abusive partner & with the dcs.

MadMags · 16/03/2017 08:56

You're wasting precious head space worrying about these friends, which is exactly what he wants!

I'm so glad your cousin is helping you see through it!

You can and will be strong enough to do this. It's not easy, not at all. But it's so worth it.

Don't be surprised (or fooled) if he suddenly changes tactics and does beg you to stay, even though you're now convinced he won't.

It will be designed to throw you and make you doubt yourself.

Don't fall for it.

Keep being brilliant! You will look back on this and be proud of what you did for your dc and for yourself. Flowers

welshmist · 16/03/2017 08:57

Definitely clear all history if you keep a blog name it something he would not think to check. Check money he could be building up debts, moving money. Ignore stuff about friends keep calm quiet and get on with your plans.

MadMags · 16/03/2017 08:57

And as for the mediation and your list; I wouldn't bother. Though it's tempting.

It's just an opportunity for him to give you shit.
Write him a letter listing all the things he did to you and the way he made you feel then when you're out and on your feet you can send it or burn it.

LumelaMme · 16/03/2017 09:03

He's messing with your head again.

Keep focused.
Flowers

WatchingFromTheWings · 16/03/2017 09:15

He asked me today when I was going. Said he can't wait for me to be gone.

My ExH did this to me. He NEVER believed I'd actually go! He had such a shock when I did. Even after I'd sorted a place out and moved in with the kids his attitude was 'it's only temporary'. Being on my own with the kids in our albeit temporary new home just gave me the strength I needed to never go back. He continued to try and get me back for several months, even after he'd moved his new GF in.

BadTasteFlump · 16/03/2017 10:07

Clearly it hasn't taken him long to start the head fuckery again has it Sad

But you just need to stay focused on getting out asap. Please try calling WA or the National DV helpline - they can give you so much advice and support, about a whole load of stuff.

And please completely forget mediation. It never, never works where there has been domestic abuse of any kind. Each party has to go into it with honesty and wanting to move forward for the fairest outcome. Do you believe he would do that? Even a trained mediator would say it wouldn't work otherwise, so a friend acting as a mediator wouldn't have a hope in hell.

Have you spoken to your local Council re housing? They may be able to help with even just temporary accommodation. I know it must be exhausting having to have eyes in the back of your head 24/7 and always been on high alert Flowers

Jaysis · 16/03/2017 16:56

Look, he's smart. Men like this have a knack for pinpointing the friends that might see though him and therefore support your bid to get free, and attempt to cut you off from that support source.

My ex did that with my friends too. The ones who thought he was the dogs bollocks could stay. The ones who were self reliant and confident and took no shit from anyone - he worked hard at undermining my friendships with them and making me doubt their loyalty to me. When I was out the other side, I saw it for what it was - all guff and bluster on his part.

Don't fall for it. He had a lucky guess, that's all.

theansweris42 · 16/03/2017 18:13

All the PPs have said it.
He's fucking with you with with the stuff about the friends, the deadline for you to speak up. All. Of. It.
He will not listen to your list other than to ridicule you. Don't give him the opportunity.
I left one like him with 2 DSs. Was essential to do so.
Flowers for you.

BantyCustards · 17/03/2017 08:26

OP my ex did exactly the same re friends - except he hedged his bets and said that everyone we knew had told him he was a saint for putting up with me.