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H stepped the f*ckery up to another level this weekend.

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PinkGlitter17 · 28/02/2017 23:38

My god. I have a H who's financially and emotionally abusive, and 2 DCs (8 & 2.5). I was posting last week about his behaviour and got tons of LTB responses, which I agree with, and then on Sunday he stepped it up. I'm still in shock and keep having to remind myself that it really happened.

not a good start to a post, is it?

I was setting out with DD to go to an art workshop that morning, and had left the kitchen in a mess, dishes and cake-baking gear piled up on the side, all ready to do them when i returned 2 hrs later. H comes into kitchen with DS, sees pots, asks incredulously whether it was all stuff that needed washing. I said yes, and that I would do it when I got back.

And he said NO! I was not to go anywhere until the kitchen was clean, "the way it should be left". i fought my corner and said he couldn't stop me from going out, and was he forbidding me?! He just kept saying no, I wasn't going anywhere. I carried on putting my shoes on, could see DD looking scared, DS (2) just watching.

H then went into our bedroom, ranting at me about a) a job he had decided i must apply for but "hadn't been arsed to get" and had been pathetic about, and b) taking the kids to my parents' for 2.5 days over Xmas, when he was working 1 of those days and had kicked up endless shit about me doing it when he had said he really didn't want me to. He said if I went to the art class, that was it, we were done, and he would leave. i stood in the hallway like a rabbit in the headlights, watching him and listening to him rant, thinking this was a crucial moment and that I was being totally watched by DD and shouldn't let H dictate to me like that, or deny me "permission" to go out. Rock and a hard place.

DD came to me, I went back in the kitchen, and H shut the door and held it so I couldn't open it. I shouted at him - "stop barricading me in the kitchen" - and after a few moments we got out. By the way, DS had been on his side of the door, so saw Daddy's behaviour {sad}

DD & I went in living room, sat on sofa, ignored H - he came in and loomed over us, glaring. i told him not to do that in front of DD. He said that cuddling DD wasn't getting the kitchen cleaned.

After a while, I went into the kitchen and DD followed me, bless her, and said she was going to help . We did all the fucking dishes and cleaned up, then were due to our cakes to a bake-off, so we got ready to go - and then found that H had buggered off in the car.

So I took DD and DS to where we were going, thinking that maybe H really had left. I got through the afternoon despite H's bullshit, and went to a women's meeting at the pub too, where everyone had brought their kids so the children all played while we chatted.

When we got home, I didn't know what to expect. H had cooked tea so we all had that. Long story short, after 1.5 days of (mutual) silence, H is speaking to me again, pretty much as if nothing happened. I've been reading about the cycle of charm-anger-explosion-calm that abusers use.

I've also been looking at benefits entitlements, spousal maintenance, child mainteneance, divorce settlements, and a house that's for rent in our village.

So sick of this shit.

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Teacupinastorm · 14/03/2017 12:32

I'm worried for you OP Sad

tipsytrifle · 14/03/2017 13:08

It saddens me that he shuts you in the kitchen to clear up, depriving dd of her activity - for which she might have extraordinary talent, should it be nurtured - in the process (not that he cares about that anyway.) You also returned when he told you to. I think you have, understandably, taken the "high" of taking action in a misleading direction. Right back to what looks like acquiescing to his command.

I understand that this happens often and the leaving sometimes has to repeat several times before it "sticks". This shouldn't be about "power". Power struggles tend to be nasty and brutal competitions that face away from the actual core problems. Negotiating with a tyrant is a soul-draining exercise in futility.

Be very, very watchful that your life doesn't get smaller once the temporary "high" fades out. If you decide to leave again you'll need to plan even more carefully.

Frouby · 14/03/2017 16:19

Just here with a handhold OP. It's very difficult to permanently leave an abusive relationship. You will find the strength I know.

Until then keep you and the dcs safe. And don't be afraid to go again at any time. Have a stash of cash, important documents and a set of clothes each left somewhere. Xx

pudding21 · 14/03/2017 16:27

Pink: I'm sad to hear you went back after you had been so brave. I understand why though. Any hint of him starting to escalate, please protect yourself. Watch carefully. Protect your phone/ laptop. I had to get out within 5 days as it was unbearable, you are planning for a while to do that and it won't be easy.

He will be on his best behaviour now, but he might get nasty. Just be careful and have a back up plan. Don't worry about what others think, and whether they believe you or him. You know, thats all that matters.

Jux · 14/03/2017 16:35

Pink, Ok so you went back.

The average number of times a woman leaves her abusive partner, I believe, is 7, so you've a few to go. And average is just around the middle, some women will have done it once and never gone back, but some will have done it umpteen times.

Don't be embarrassed, ashamed, about it. Please don't let those negative emotions stop you from posting here again, especially if you need support, or when you find that he's back to his old behaviour or worse.

I really, really hope we're all wrong and he pulls his socks up and starts being a good, decent chap and that you live happily ever after. But just in case that isn't what happens, please don't hesitate to get back here!

Serialweightwatcher · 14/03/2017 19:22

Hope you're okay - can't see him changing any time soon. He should have moved out to anywhere he could find .... pls make arrangements very soon because someone like him won't want to be out of control for long - take care please

saoirse31 · 14/03/2017 19:48

Hope you're OK op. Hope you get out soon. Your dd has seen your husband physically not let you out of house till you clean kitchen to his satisfaction, she has, devastatingly, helped you clean it, to mollify him. And now, has seen you go back as if all is fine. She's really not learning good things here.

I really really hope you get out and soon. And I wish you all the best, I think you sound like a great mother. And I really hope you leave soon and have a peaceful and happy home.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 14/03/2017 20:45

Pink - seriously think about next steps. How long do you think he will be on his best behaviour before things start to deteriorate again. Don't give him an inch. One indication he is reverting to his old behaviour then you owe it to yourself and the DC to get out. Please be very careful.

mathanxiety · 15/03/2017 02:17

I want to echo what Jux said:

Don't be embarrassed, ashamed, about it. Please don't let those negative emotions stop you from posting here again, especially if you need support, or when you find that he's back to his old behaviour or worse.

Please keep on posting, and be very careful to log out every time. Clear your history too.

Teabay · 15/03/2017 07:24
Flowers
HebeBadb · 15/03/2017 08:20

It took me two goes pink.
x

HebeBadb · 15/03/2017 08:36

I agree with others that he would have moved heaven and earth to get you back under his roof again until he could figure out how to get power again.

My own x restructured finances (put credit card in my name instead of me having a card in his name. This meant that when i left, i left with a debt. He also kept asking me to put things on it. Petrol. Car insurance. My cc bal was always high and so long as i stayed he'd clear it.
I left with that debt and he didnt pay it!

I could see what he was doing but after 3 weeks of fake niceness he was back to holding all the power again.

Dont be surprised if he suggests you dont need two cars or something like that.

You feel like he has learnt a lesson. You feel like you have power. He feels like he crushed your tin pot parade.

That is how my x refered to my leaving him the first time. With a sneer he mocked my tin pot parade. It used up so much bravery and energy to leave and i regret that i put myself through it twice.

You're back now and things are calm. Behind the scenes he'll be consulting solicitors. He has learnt nothing from this other than that you fell for his bullshit and he can bring you back to heel.

Even if you believe the separate lives thing, act like you need to line up your ducks.

No harm ever came from protecting yourself where possible.

Lynnm63 · 15/03/2017 09:45

I agree with pp. please don't let our comments or your pride prevent you from posting. Everyone here wants to help you. Others have been through this. If these men weren't very good at this abuse and at appearing nice and changed men then no one would fall for them or stay with them.

HebeBadb · 15/03/2017 17:42

Yes, come back.. this hiccough is a really typical part of the process.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/03/2017 18:18

pink I hope you're doing OK.

As others have said, you don't need to feel bad if you were unable to carry out your plan. Each and every one of us has 'gotten off the high dive' a few times before we were able to 'jump'. It's your life. You have to do things (or not) in your own good time.

And as much as we'd like to know you're OK, you don't owe any of us anything.

HebeBadb · 15/03/2017 18:23

In fact it's really significant leaving the second time and ''staying left''.

The first time I doubted myself. The second time I did not doubt myself at all. Which was a stronger position to be in for the rest of my life iyswim.

PinkGlitter17 · 15/03/2017 18:29

I'll write more tonight when my darlings are in bed asleep. Sad

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BadTasteFlump · 15/03/2017 18:36

Hope you're ok Flowers

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 15/03/2017 21:23

Another one hoping you're OK. I echo other posters, don't feel you can't post if you need support. You have to find your way of handling this situation. We all have to respect that this is your journey and only you can take the steps.
We are here if you need us.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 15/03/2017 22:02

Been to a solicitor yet?

NightWanderer · 15/03/2017 22:27

Hope you are doing ok Flowers

PinkGlitter17 · 15/03/2017 23:25

Thank you for the messages of support.
I found a cottage last week, it was teeny but at least it was a place to move to. The owner rang a few days later to say that after a lot of thinking, she wasn't happy to rent it to me and dcs, as it's too small, no washer, no outdoor space, open staircase. I was devastated. It's really knocked the wind out of my sails Sad
H confronted me today, says I've been avoiding him, not able to talk to/look at/be in the same room as him. We've been managing to stay amicable in front of the children but silent otherwise, pretty much. I hardly know how to talk to him any more. Don't know what to say, the elephant in the room is suffocating. I know we need to talk if things are going to shift. Totally stuck atm.
Partly I've been thinking that we need a mediator if we're to talk constructively. Two friends have sort of offered, but I feel they can't really be impartial. And I feel H will use their impartiality in some sort of manipulative way.
He had an outburst just before tea, before going out for a night shift. I was cooking, he said some things. I told him I wanted to know what it was that he had been about to say, that made him hold the kitchen door so that he wouldn't shout it in front of the dcs. He didn't tell me what it was he had been going to say, just that it was swearing. I wish he would just fucking say it, it's surely not as if he cares?
Apparently, I have got three nights to "think hard" about what I've got to say to him. I couldn't answer him when he was on at me today. I need time to think. I may well write it all down in a letter. I'm actually thinking of writing a secret blog detailing all the shit things he's done. It will make it clearer in my mind, and I can then print it off and have it as evidence. Also, I may tell friends the address so that they can read it if they want to really know what's been happening between me and H.
By the way, he told me that two friends, who helped me out with storing some of my stuff and getting me and dcs to the party when we left, have told him they were mortified to do what I asked them to do. Sad Sad Sad I think it's a ploy to isolate me from them and make me doubt them, but I now feel compelled to ask them if it's true. One of these women is also one of the two who've offered to mediate in some way, and I feel that is a conflict. I don't even know whether I'd be that surprised if she had expressed discomfort about storing the bags for me - and also, of course, I can't ultimately blame anyone for being uncomfortable with any of it. See how much thinking I am doing Sad
I'll ask both of these friends tomorrow. I feel I'm on very shaky ground, with the possibility that I might have to reconsider things with the storing/mediating one. She is trying so hard to be impartial that I'm feeling quite hurt (it doesn't feel like she's backing me). Or is it just the grown-up way that these things must be done??
The friend who has been an amazing emotional support isn't involved in this doubt that H has planted. In her case, I don't feel any of this fear that she was put in a difficult position by my asking for her help. I need to speak to her, I haven't actually had any real conversations with anyone, since coming back, about what happened.
Oh fuck. I am so glad of the MN hand-holding x

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cestlavielife · 15/03/2017 23:31

Don't try mediating with him espec not with a friend.
Not til you moved out.and even then don't.
You are not safe.
He will twist everything.

notapizzaeater · 15/03/2017 23:38

Bugger mediation - what do you think it will solve. You know he's an abusive arsehole - just get out.

He's trying to take control back by "giving you three days"

BluePheasant · 15/03/2017 23:49

"giving you three days" well isn't he so generous! Trying his hardest to put doubts in your mind, making you think he is doing you a favour by giving you another chance!

He's just spinning his web, once he thinks he has you again it'll be business as usual.

Don't bother with mediation/ friends who don't see what's happening.

Do talk to friend who you feel comfortable with.
Do talk to woman's aid.

You need to leave before it gets nasty again.