What kind of men use prostitutes?

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Dh has an outside job which involves spending time on various roads within towns and villages.
A couple of weeks ago he was working on a street in our local town. An everyday street with semi detached homes.
After a day or so Dh and his work colleagues noticed one particular house had a lot of 'visitors'. All the visitors were well dressed men arriving in nice cars. It averaged around 4 men per hour!
At lunchtime a car pulled up (the driver had pizzas) and the door was opened,there was an older woman in the hallway and several younger looking women loitering in the hallway also.

Dh and workmates are convinced it was a brothel. Over the weeks that they were working there they would glare at the men going in and said some of them looked very embarrassed once they realised they had been noticed, one even parked in a nearby supermarket and tried to get in the back way.
I know these things go on but what got me was the thought that surely, several, if not most of these men must have (oblivious?!) partners etc.

Charles that is up to the woman if she wants to do that. Not all woman are being forced into this. It is up to them.

It's already underground. It's already dangerous.

No the complete opposite a woman still has a choice. If she is not comfortable then she can walk out or not provide that service he wants. If a woman don't like anal she is not going to do it. How much power do you think men have. They had fuck all over me.

I don't know what you are thinking of when you think about making laws against prostitution?

You are aware that criminalising the punters and not the sex workers is what most of us are talking about when we are calling for laws to be made.

In that case the law would be telling punters that they are not allowed to compel sex workers to perform sex acts in return for money.

It says nothing about what 'women are allowed to do with their bodies'.

So why aren't men (in the UK - I accept that it may be different in poorer countries, where rich women pay poor men for sex) working as prostitutes in their thousands? If it's such good money, such an easy job, such a choice.

Because the expectations and limitations placed on them by society are vastly different. That is what I think should change.

She can't always walk out if not comfortable, for a variety of reasons. You really are obtuse, aren't you?

It is hard not to get really angry about how dangerously naive that last post is.

Horrid I wish I lived in your world.

Offred I agree, legalising prositution just takes the burden of guilt off of the dirty punters, while simultaneously saying to the women 'it's ok that men do this- there's no law against it!'

Yes, and it encourages men to try it who would be put off it it were illegal, because it can't be that bad, can it?

legalising prositution just takes the burden of guilt off of the dirty punters, while simultaneously saying to the women 'it's ok that men do this- there's no law against it!'

Absolutely this.

I mean you do realise that even in a relationship or just on the street, nevermind where a man has paid for a service he expects women very frequently simply cannot 'just walk out' and that it is never the woman's responsibility to prevent sexual assaults, it is men who need to stop sexually assaulting women and that this attitude of entitlement to sexual services from women which is perpetuated and excused by the sex industry is one of the reasons why men sexually assault women all the time inside and outside of the sex industry.

How much power do you think men have. They had fuck all over me.

All of it, in the situation we're referring to. And across the world, most of the power too. Men run almost all governments, own most companies and have most of the money.

But I'm glad you're alright, though. That's what matters.

And therefore there is an increase in demand, but there is then a gap in supply which traffickers move in to fill by exploiting vulnerable foreign women and profiting from them to the maximum level.

Why is there a gap? Because surprise surprise in affluent western countries, most women don't want to be prostitutes.

I agree - legalising prostitution isn't about saying "women can do what they want". It's saying " men can do what they want".

I think it's horrific that prostitutes are criminalised at all - for "kerb crawling" eg here in the UK - as far as I am concerned they have committed no crime. The men, on the other hand, definitely have. That of non consensual sexual activity. Ie rape

It's the culture of masculinity.

Abusing women in various ways is seen as a way of proving you are a real man. From 'lads' pulling a pig, through a mandatory part of a stag do being to visit a prostitute or a strip club, to men purchasing sexual services, it is all part of the same continuum which says to men, you aren't a real man unless you exercise power over women.

and it says to women 'this is not really abuse, it is just how men are'

I agree Offred. Guffawing with laughter at Dapper Laughs. Hilarious bants. Toxic masculinity.

Shout if only you knew that's why I don't judge. It took me a long time to forget I am alright now. For those women who choose to do it I don't judge them.

Very few people are judging the women, Henry. They're judging the men.

Yy to the whole acceptance of male abuse of power. This is why prostitution exists at all. Do I need to listen to why men think it's ok? Do I fuck. I'm a woman. I've been hearing it all my life.

Why are you so unprepared to judge the men who do this kind of thing Henry?

"It is about the status of women in society and the reems and reems of evidence relating to the harm the sex industry does and the failure of projects to legalise in Australia, Germany etc to actually achieve any of the objectives that they supposedly set out to achieve."

This.

I hate that trend that seems to have appeared (or certainly seems to have been exacerbated by social media)

Dapper laughs and his women hating contemporaries have a lot to answer for. I fear for my sons and the kind of world they are going to grow up in where it's ok to abuse women publicly and for everyone to laugh on.

For those women who choose to do it I don't judge them.

For what feels like the thousandth time, and probably is - choices are affected by external factors, just because a woman does something doesn't mean it's good for women as a whole, and no one is judging women who work as prostitutes, we are judging the men who use sex workers.

Offred if my partner left me or died I would not want to be in another relationship with a man. That's how I feel about men I would never be able to trust him.