Brave Babes - reconvene here!!!

[dementedma]

Hi all
We seem to have finished the last thread but no-one has done a new one. Don't get lost! Gather here until we can sort it out.

It's not meant to be hard sell- honestly. If things are working for others I honestly think that's great. I am so not evangelical about anything. I just had never heard about this before and hearing others experiences made me question why not- to hear if others had heard of it, and to let them know that if they are not managing there maybe another way... I am a staunch believer in psychological therapy- I can't see that this alone would work for many. But I have lurked on these threads since the start however many years ago now- and seen both the successes and the pain. I don't think most treatment for aud is up to much and thought this looked like it might provide some people here some hope. Like I said I as yet have no personal experience of it, but will soon. I don't think it sound like crazy snake oil - it might be- but I'm really quite a sceptic of most things. Like I said I'm not trying to sell (have no means to!) just was hoping to discuss.

Also sweet, honestly this isn't used for cravings.

Thanks sweet I need a hardier Lavender
Night all x

twisted the reason I chose to ignore you was that I saw that you posted the exact same messages on the Dry thread......word for word.
I am just suspicious of your motives I guess because both threads are for people to support each other and not to push our theories of what we believe would be best for others.
We will each tread our own path and on this and the Dry thread and anyone lurking or posting is looking for support and a friendly ear.......nothing more.
HTH

Neglect, they thrive on neglect. Honestly 42 pop them somewhere warm and do not water the buggers. I used to have a lavender hedge,''twas lovely, full of bees in the summer and you could put your face right down to listen to them and they were happy to let you do it. Sigh.

twisted I'm not clear why I didn't reply directly. I wasn't thinking about your post, I'm just making sure that I keep posting so that I don't disappear again. I am going to get out of the sidecar soon. I thought that what you had to say was very interesting and something to be filed away as further information but not something I wanted to persue right now. I hope that you weren't offended. Hmmm...not sure what else to say. What kind of replies were you looking for? I guess that everyone here has a very individual approach to sobriety and drinking. Hope that is ok.

Wow putting face into Lavender while listening to bees is actual heaven ☺

Same as guggs really, I haven't really had a chance to read your links. A friend of mine is prescribed a drug on the NHS, I'm not sure which one but it's one of the opioid inhibitors. She is closely monitored ando has cbt in conjunction and she's on the road to recovery I hope.
I realise you are a regular on MN and get you're interested to share information you feel may be helpful and perhaps it will be to some.

Personally I'm confident I can reset my bad habits by both talking and being mindful.

I'm off to sleep now, it's been a long day, sleep well lovely babes. I'm taking a Panda with me to cuddle. Himself is drinking beer downstairs and is boring me talking gibberish.

twisted it pushes buttons for me, as I have H whom I would like to approach his GP about Nal. So no comment here atm.

My lavender is in a pot and I do absolutely nothing with it year on year and it thrives.

Thanks for tips, I will go again but ensure have a hardy variety (learn something new every day!)

Sorry , thanks for x posts. The answer have you looked into it? Like I said I don't know if it really works, but people are saying such promising things.

Twisted I apologise in advance as I've not had a chance to look at your other links. I have however had a chance to look closer at the first website you posted. The 'magic drug' it refers to is nalfemene (Selincro), not naltrexone. Very similar actions though. This drug is known about, and used, for moderation in harmful drinkers. It's prescribed either by GPs or DAATs, which will probably vary by locality.

I haven't read enough about the Sinclair method (I will have a better look tomorrow) to say it's used in 100% the same way, but from what I've skim read it is extremely similar. The key difference from what I can see is that, as per NICE guidance, it is given in conjunction with psychological support. The (substantial) evidence that supports the guidance is outlined here www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ta325/chapter/1-guidance

I don't doubt your intentions, and please don't think this is an attack on you, however speaking personally that first website you posted got my defences up. Everything from the fact I eventually found the name of the drug on offer under the 'family and friends' section, to the 'buy your own blood pressure monitor for your home detox' rang alarm bells. I have a strong suspicion that it is either run by someone with good intentions but a poor understanding and application of evidence based medicine, or someone simply out to make a profit out of vulnerable people by hard selling something that is already essentialy available. It also massively oversimplifies a very complex and individual issue.

I genuinely think that if your acquaintance is serious about wanting to try this they should have a think about referring themselves to their local DAAT or speaking to the GP in the first instance. They will be working within guidelines which are regularly updated and reviewed with the best available evidence, rather than biased towards one magic cure-all.

Like I said, it was the website's 'hard-sell' that has got me on the defensive, and not you personally, so please don't take offence to my ramblings!

I understand now twisted thank you for that post. I'm sorry things are so bad for you.
I honestly don't know what to say...I've certainly been a very heavy drinker and it was becoming a real problem but for me it was a bad habit getting out of control.

I'm very tired right now and must sleep.
As I said I haven't read the links you posted yet but I will tomorrow. Right now I don't know enough to comment further but I wish you all the best.

Pretties.

I smell pretties. I am jealous. An actual ring. I am jealous of your ring ma. ''Tis the holey grail of sea glass. you fair needed a wee lift after your sair knee.

And pandas. And orangutan poops.

And I think my darling sweet that sweetdog smelt my randy Labrador wafting her saucy goodness to the four winds. Dirty wee bitch that she is.

You must have had a bloody fright there my petal, I hope he is being mindful now of who actually
opens the kibble. (((((Bosiesforyebaith))))) xx

The bairn' leg is infected again. Back on her antibiotics, perhaps for next year or so. Another CT in 7 weeks. Her anal glands are impacted because of the loose poo from the antibiotics and she has an friction burned, inflamed nipple from humping her bed.

Poor bloody sod. And I'm on the wine. Sorry folks. I've not gone daft. But after hearing about her leg not healing yet again I fell down the rabbit hole.

It wasn't even worth it. But the pull was greater than I could manage. I had a biopsy this week to see what the frig is happening with my skin. My beans are all over my egg.

Baaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrie, heel boy! I need me a slappin!

Sorry I haven't read back, I will. xx

Big, and significant, cross post with you Twisted. If you've been through detox are you still being supported? Post here as much as you want, we all know how hard this is. Sorry if you felt 'got at', I think maybe we could sense there was an undertone but didn't pick up that it was because you were the one needing support.

I think my concern with drug treatments in isolation, and this is for me personally, would be the temptation not to take them. If I want to binge (or if I think I do) I will. But we are all so, so different.

By all means look into the Sinclair method- different things will work for different people, and maybe sometimes it's trial and error. But please stay away from that first website

ma.

Now I'm sure your ring is indeed delightful. The glass one.

Your photo of your knee did not include your other one and I haven't ever made it's aquaintance so I can't possibly pass comment.

Yes post as much as you like twisted. Sorry I'm that tired I cant think or post properly.

I'm definitely going to sleep now.

Will catch up tomorrow with everyone x

I seemed to have leapt in with crass comments in the middle of a sensitive discussion. My apologies elba, LW and twisted.

On batphone and slow of type. Xx

dubh I only have one knee. And a wooden leg. Tis the call of the pretties which lures me to the deep and my old seafaring ways...

So sorry to hear about the terrorist...Wee shame.

I have two meetings this week at which I gave to kick ass and outplay my nemesis.... I have red heels and matching underwear!!! That should do it.

Hey dubh no not at all! And lovely to see you back. Sorry about the bairn and biopsies too? Sounds horribly stressful. Xxx

I'm stupidly drinking tonight, which wasn't in the plan. Should of been day 4. Long day at work and have to be up ridiculously early tomorrow to try and dismantle a bed frame before my new one is delivered. Paid for the old one to be taken away, assumed they would take it appart too. They don't. Just read the documents and have to do it myself, and pack up a double mattress into something resembling an envelope. I'm five foot nothing, will be on my own, and am equipped (so far- still hunting for more tools...thought they were under the sodding bed) with a hammer, paintbrush and the worlds smallest screwdriver. To be fair it's already largely dismantled itself so if all else fails will just hammer the fuck out of it and hope for the best.

I normally enlist a friend or two to help with grown up stuff like this...wasn't even organised enough to do that this time. I am just not equipped to deal with real life!

Aaaaar ma me hearty. The closest I've been to the sea this week is a sea salt shower gel.

I hear red drawers are de rigeur in the boardroom this season. You can allus flash 'em if ye get fed up.

How's the boot camp going? Are you managing? Is it doable? Seriously thinking about it. I'm still on no caffeine, sugar, wheat thing. I do feel better but not lost any weight. Nor will I. That's me back on steroids again.

Desperate measures needed. I need sedating and strapping to a toning table with a faulty speed switch for 6 months or so.

elba oh bless you. Will the delivery people take pity do you think? I'm all for the hammer the fuck out of it method. How big is your window? Can you poke it all out of there?

There is nothing more unwieldy or heavy as an old mattress, one of those things you think you can manage on your own but it's near impossible.

Glad your new bed is almost here. You will be sleeping like a wee angel tomorrow night. Are you treating yourself to new bed linen?

Night night elba, sweet dreams, (shove your tiny toolbox in a corner and think about it in the morning) it'll all sort itself out xx

Boot camp weigh in and......I have lost FIVE lbs!
Grabs nearest panda and throws it in the air in delight.
Five fucking pounds. Oh yeah! I rock!

Morning all
Well done ma