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Just found out my wife has cheated on me.

290 replies

Glenoxo · 28/01/2017 02:27

Hi all. I'm sorry for any breaches of etiquette, what with me being a man and all, but I've no idea where to go and no-one to turn to, so thought the anonymous masses might be able to offer me some advice.

It's 2.17am and I've just caught my wife cheating on me.

We have four children together (12, 10, 6 and 4), and have been together for 18 years since she was 17 and I was 18. Until two weeks ago I didn't know anything was wrong. Then it all changed.

When out for a date night with her she told me that she wasn't happy, that our marriage was failing and she thought we were on different paths. Over the next week we talked and talked and I discovered that she felt a bit neglected. I'm a school governor at two of our children's schools and had just become a parish councillor, and she felt that spending an evening or two a week out at meetings was too much. So the next day I resigned. I wasn't going to let that get in the way of our marriage.

Then I discovered that she has been talking increasingly wth a 20 year old guy at her work. She insisted that nothing had happened, but after lots of talk last night she realised that she had been effectively in an emotional affair with him. She had previously arranged to go out for a work party and stay at a friend's house overnight, before having a day of rest away from the children on Saturday. I asked her to think about everything we had and could have, and decide between him and us.

I admit it - I was suspicious, so when I noticed that one of her work party had posted that the evening had finished I did something I've never done in my life - I checked where her phone was. Using icloud I saw her phone was in a Premier Inn. It stayed there for an hour. I called and she claimed she was around her friend's house, several miles away. When I then asked why her phone was in a hotel she hung up.

She later messaged me to admit it. She says it's the first time it's happened, and that she needed to see if there was anything more to their relationship than an emotional connection.

I am devasted. I am heartbroken. I cannot breathe. I don't know how I am going to tell my children that their mother is leaving us. I can't picture a future without her in it. I can't get images of her with another man out of my head. I can't imagine how I am going to raise four children as a single father. I don't know where I'm going to get the money or the time.

I've never been so hurt. So alone. My world has collapsed, and I don't think I'm ever going to recover.

I need help. Please.

OP posts:
RaeofSun · 01/02/2017 18:55

I find it rather upsetting to compare the advice given in posts to women finding their DH have cheated - bag up his clothes, change the locks, see a solicitor, get your ducks in line, he gave up the right to be a father when he inserted his p*s into another woman - with the OP being slated for doing what is usually given as advice.

OP states he works from, does most school runs amd activities and is main earner. Perhaps it's better if he is main career as DC lives will be less affected as he is usually there. He already said he's resigned from school governor etc extra responsibilities.

Just a thought.

Atenco · 01/02/2017 20:55

he gave up the right to be a father when he inserted his p*s into another woman

I have honestly never seen this advice given on mumsnet, even though there are a fair few nutters post here.

The reason why we do not use our children to revenge ourselves on their other parent is the damage it would do to the children, in case it is not clear to some posters.

MagicChicken · 02/02/2017 05:04

You've got to love Mumsnet haven't you?

A man is raging because his wife has blatantly shagged another man and instead of laying down and taking an emotional battering from her he's being assertive and making plans to ask her to move out. Just as the relationship Gurus on here always recommend.

And quelle surprise a bunch of posters pitch up to call him controlling, say he has no right to 'take a mother's children away from her' and to point out that we don't have his wife's side of the story.

When was the last time anyone on MN was concerned about a male adulterer's side of the story when his wife posts that he spent the night shagging some 20 yo from the office?

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 02/02/2017 07:14

Have to say, the minority of posters who are slating the op on this thread are a fucking disgrace.

As for xStephx, yet a-fucking-gain, have a Biscuit. I'm starting to think you're only here to try to be controversial.

This mans wife fucked a 20yr old apprentice. Damned right he should be telling her that she will be moving out, and if he's been doing the lion's share of the childcare and is staying in the marital home, then he should be given serious consideration to be the rp.

Amazes me that on threads where the man has cheated and the wife bleats 'but he's a good daaaad', the stock response is 'anyone who treats their child's mother that way is not a good dad, they didn't think about what they were doing to their children when they fucked someone else', but so many on this thread are claiming 'she might have fucked a boy, but that doesn't make her a bad parent!' Hmm

The fucking double standards make me sick.

OP, I hope you can continue to get support here, and ignore the blatant misandrists who have derailed your thread. FlowersWine

AutumnRose1988 · 02/02/2017 08:01

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whatsthecomingoverthehill · 02/02/2017 09:42

I'm pretty sure that if it was a woman in the equivalent position there wouldn't be anyone accusing her of being emotionally abusive and driving her husband into the arms of the 20 year old office junior.

There may have been some comments along the lines of "I know it's a horrible situation that you're in, but please don't rush into anything regarding the custody arrangements. Remember it's the kids that need to come first."

Can you not see the world of difference between that and how you and others have responded here?

HarmlessChap · 02/02/2017 09:45

Read through the thread and can't see where the posters have been hypocritical and where they have stated they would give a woman in his position different advice!

Hypocrisy covers more than advice, when was the last time a woman was told by a Mumsnetter that it wasn't surprising that her husband went elsewhere???????

Emmageddon · 02/02/2017 11:18

when was the last time a woman was told by a Mumsnetter that it wasn't surprising that her husband went elsewhere???????

Has someone actually said that, on this thread, they're not surprised the OP's wife shagged her 20yo apprentice?Shock

That's just nasty.

NotJanine · 02/02/2017 11:31

the comment was actually -

You sound horrid quite frankly and can kind of see why she's looked elsewhere.

DarkNightDelight · 02/02/2017 11:37

Some of you "women" on here really do hate all men don't you!?

Wow I'm disgusted with some of the replies on here, you should be ashamed of yourselves!

AngryAngryAngryAngry

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 02/02/2017 11:45

Yep Emma, and then said (repeatedly) it's just an opinion. As if that's OK then.

SparklingRaspberry · 02/02/2017 12:30

I agree with autumn.

OP, your wife's behaviour is disgusting and an affair is never the answer, but it also makes you disgusting to TELL her that you'll be taking the kids off her and becoming the main carer. You have no right to do that. It should at least be 50/50, and you seem to be gloating in the fact she can't drive and how you do most of the school runs, to justify you taking the kids off her.

The kids aren't yours, they are both of yours! Regardless of her affair you have no right to take the kids off her for the main part. If this is your attitude, I can at least give a little understanding as to why she found it so easy to be swayed by someone else's attention.

It seems to be all about how much better you are than her.

SparklingRaspberry · 02/02/2017 12:31

Oh and no I don't hate men.

Atenco · 02/02/2017 12:51

OP, I hope things are working out for you, it is a horrible situation you are in.

We are all projecting a lot when answering this thread. I for one am not as freaked about infidelity as most mumsnetters, but then again I have never knowingly had that happen to me. I have heard the threat of "I'll take the children" though and that really makes me see red.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 02/02/2017 13:07

Oh FFS he hasn't threatened to take the children, he has said that he is primary caregiver, and he'd want that to continue.

Even if you disagree with that, and think it should be 50/50 (and what do you mean Raspberry by at least 50/50?) which is a reasonable position to hold, haven't you got the smallest bit of empathy to think that maybe, just maybe, in the heat of the moment after he's found out his wife's shagging someone else, that he might not think through everything totally rationally? And for about the fifth time on this thread, the last thing he said was: 'That being said, I don't want to get ahead of myself here. I don't want to become adversarial. I want to find a working arrangement that suits our children, even if it means hurting my feelings. I'm a big boy. I'll have to take it.'

Anyone trying to say that he is in any way to blame for his wife's infidelity here is being a twat.

isthismylifenow · 02/02/2017 14:26

@glenoxo

Sorry this thread has turned out this way.

I hope that you are still able to return for the support that you are needing.

Many of us have been in very similar situations to you, it would be a shame if you felt that you couldn't turn to some of us, who really do understand what you are going through right now.

Either way, I wish you all the very best. You sound like a great father to your children.

Glenoxo · 02/02/2017 16:11

Wow.

That escalated quickly.

I've not been on here recently as I've spent the last few days trying to work out what on earth I should do, and what I am going to do. Could be two different things, but I'm not there yet. I've cried. God, how I've cried. I'd never cried outside a funeral in my adult life before now, but I'm making up for it by crying until my nose bleeds.

I've also spent every night talking to my wife about things. After a couple of nights where she stayed at a friend's house, I agreed she could come back and sleep on the sofa so she could still be around for the children and so we could talk. I figured that it's not their fault their mother is infatuated with another man (though more on that below), so I can't punish them.

I will try my best not to get angry with those previous posters who have made such outrageous accusations, though it is difficult not to. You don't know the full story, nor could you be expected to. Hell, I don't even know the full story. You may think you are offering a different point of view but, while I respect your right to have a different opinion, the way you put it across is abhorrent. I appreciate all those who pointed out the obvious - that it was within hours of discovering things that I reached out, and that I never once said I would stop her from seeing them.

But to twist my raw words the way you did and to incite and continue such a hurtful conversation, well, you should take a long, hard look at yourself. I don't believe you would ever offer those words to a person in my position face to face; I'm a believer that's a good indication of what you should say online. I have no doubt you will take the following words as a flame with which to try to troll me some more, but I will say them anyway and try to stay strong: shame on you.

Anyway, it's been a long, long, sleepless week. We have talked. I have been the one pushing the talking. She doesn't want to be forced to make a decision, regardless of what this state of limbo is doing to me. I don't think I should be offering her another chance at our marriage, but I've gone with my heart instead and that is what I've done.

The only caveat I've asked for, which I thought was entirely justified and reasonable, is that she has to have nothing to do with him. She has to block him on facebook, stop texting and calling him, not go out to social events with him and respond at work in only the most professional manner. I want them to not work together, but I have no power to make that happen. I don't know if I'll be able to handle it, but I am willing to try as long as she cuts him out of her friendship circle. I want her to have lots of other friends; just not him.

Actually, there is another caveat - that she has to commit to trying to make things work. I will not be in a relationship where the other person only half cares - I deserve more than that. Our children do too.

It actually turns out that one of the reasons she was unhappy over previous months was that she started seeing the differences between who she was at work and who she was as a mother (not just as a wife). She saw herself as (in her own words) moaning all the time, tired, nagging and argumentative with the children when at work she wasn't. She doesn't see that she will still be their mother and only she can change her attitude towards them. At least, she doesn't see it yet.

She also looked back on the fact we've been together for so long and feels like she missed an opportunity to find herself as a younger woman, to experiment and try things and see different people. I was happy with her; she now feels we perhaps could have been happier meeting later in life.

She has said if we split she expects to move out and find a room in a shared house, which is all she could afford. I have no idea how she would afford to do so and contribute to raising the children financially (which I'm sure in an equal society she would have to do, as would the man if roles were reversed) but that would not really be for me to worry about.

I would therefore be left as the de facto primary care giver, at least until circumstances changed so she could provide a suitable home for four children and herself. Regardless of ideal worlds, therefore, she wouldn't be able to share custody 50/50. I have no idea how we would work things out, but we agree that, were it to come to that, we would settle things outside of the courts.

It's here that I don't think she fully appreciates what she has done. She hasn't just taken my marriage away from me, she has potentially taken half of my children's moments away from me. Half of their birthdays, their first events, their Christmas mornings; I will miss them, all for her decision not to speak with me about her feelings and instead to have an affair with someone else, then her decision not to try and make things work.

She knows it will not work with him - apparently he has said as much - but she still wants to retain his friendship. I have even said that were we to give it a go we would be in a position to reassess in six months or a year. As of last night, she wasn't even wanting to lose six months of friendship with him in return for the chance to make things work with me and as a family.

I'm fairly desperate now. I don't know what more to do. My head knows I can make it work alone as a single parent, but I desperately want to find a way to show her that she can love me again and neither one of us has to lose any time with our children. Despite everything, I can't stop loving her.

So, I'm left at home at the moment (as I have been all week), looking after our sick children (tummy bugs have got them all - got three at home today) while she has gone to work to sit next to him and think about us and our future as little as she has to.

Never thought I'd lose her so she could be friends with someone for six months.

Never thought I'd lose her at all.

OP posts:
Atenco · 02/02/2017 16:45

I'm so sorry OP.

Sounds like your wife is going through a midlife crisis that is totally upending your world.

It does sound like your wife should move out for the moment. She will not accept your terms because she still does not seem accept that she did anything wrong.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 02/02/2017 16:51

Glen, good on you for coming back here, I wouldn't have blamed you if you hadn't.

But, shit, she's a cold one isn't she? Doesn't want to make a decision, can't see why she can't be friends with this guy still etc .It's like she's just emotionally checked out from the family. I know you want to do your best to make it work, and that is completely understandable, but at the moment she's walking all over you. It's all on her terms, and you're playing the 'pick me' dance.

I do think that you need to separate out the cheating if possible. Yes, it's crap and if she was unhappy she should have made a decision to split rather than just go and sleep with someone else. But ultimately if she wants to split, that's it, the cheating is irrelevant, other than being a very cruel way to force the issue.

Look after yourself. Don't bend over backwards to change yourself for her. Do what is right for yourself and the kids.

Goingtobeawesome · 02/02/2017 17:06

I'm so sorry.

I'd be assuming your marriage is over and start living the life of a single man I.e. Not being her husband not necessarily dating etc. Make a new life for yourself. By the time she's got over herself and stop being such an idiot you might decide you no longer want her.

Confutatis · 02/02/2017 17:30

Personally, I think you have acted really well over this. It was obvious to me that some of the things that you have been criticised for were said in the middle of the night when you were in a really bad place. If you are able to simply ignore a lot of the vitriol above I think you will be all the better for it.

I think you are right to adopt the second chance tactic. Okay, it might not work, but you will feel stronger for believing that you really did give it every chance to work and if it doesn't work, I think both you will be able to look back and appreciate that you did the right thing at that time. Regardless of what is or isn't going to happen in the future. And I think your children will really respect you for this.

I really hope this works out for the best for you.

SandyY2K · 02/02/2017 17:47

What a selfish woman she is. I can't believe some people are so blatantly self centred.

I'll send you a PM with a helpful link.

Glenoxo · 02/02/2017 17:54

Thanks @SandY2K, all advice is helpful!!!

OP posts:
magoria · 02/02/2017 17:56

If she insists on remaining 'friends' with him then I think your marriage should be over.

She has no respect for you or your marriage.

Hanban16 · 02/02/2017 18:06

Firstly I'm really sorry you are going through this. I feel like she is completely disrespecting you by not cutting off her friendship with him. After 18 years or marriage and 4 kids that is the least she could do. It doesn't sound like her heart is in the marriage at the moment however feelings are still very raw, I really hope things work out for you xxx

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