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Brave Babes - Barging through 2017 in style

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SweetLathyrus · 04/01/2017 08:32

Hello, I'm SweetLathyrus (Sweet for short), and I've been hopping on and off Gerald the Brave Babes Battle Bus for three years now because, like some many of us, I struggle with alcohol.

The Bus is a supportive community at all stages in their relationship with alcohol and with lots of different goals - for some, it's abstinence, for others it's moderation, for others, it's just about getting a bit of control and perspective.

So, if you think you'd like to join us, don't be shy, flag us down and jump on board and share as much or as little as you feel comfortable with; sometimes there will be silliness, but there will always be help and support.

If you would like to know how the Bus first rattled into action, here is the first ever thread

And if you would like to know where we have been more recently, here is the most recent thread

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EasyToEatTiger · 17/01/2017 07:37

Just checking in. This thread is very reassuring. My Dry January has been mixed. I drank half a bottle of wine on Sat and again on Sun and tonight will be without alcohol. I too have had about 12/16 dry days which at any time in the past decade would have been unthinkable. It is good to realise I have some sort of choice. On NYE I drank as though it was going out of fashion. I have been the yardstick for drinking too much.

A really positive outcome of being able to speak about doing Dry January is that I feel far less alone and it's really interesting to hear RL attitudes towards alcohol.

I know only too well that awful grim feeling of wanting to be sucked into a big hole and for it all to be over when I wake up with a diabolical hangover. I have been buffered by antidepressants for decades now so I press on regardless. Otherwise I would be beating myself up instead of picking myself up in whatever small way.

It is sooooo important to keep forgiving yourself. Please, everyone, you are here and so am I, because our relationship with alcohol is warped, and to beat ourselves up further is to blame ourselves for being beaten up by a partner. Even if we have rubbish days and we apparently fail ourselves, we need to find that kindness in ourselves to forgive and be really kind to that vulnerable person who is hurting like mad.

EasyToEatTiger · 17/01/2017 07:39

I am the same, Dementedma! I can go out and not drink. It's when I get home, no matter what time in the evening. 5.30pm or midnight. I have been in the habit of cracking a bottle of wine.

spanna41 · 17/01/2017 08:22

Morning Babes Smile
Dawn today down on South coast
Have a good day y'all
Xxx

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Margie32 · 17/01/2017 10:36

Hi Tiger, congrats on all your DJ efforts so far. I absolutely loved what you said about forgiveness, I am definitely someone who struggles the next day and can beat myself up over stupid drunken incidents for weeks, months and even years after the event. I find it so hard to accept that while I'm intelligent, level-headed, with a good amount of common sense in almost all other areas of my life, when alcohol comes into play, all those characteristics leave me.

SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 10:39

Morning All.

Should be working, but I am in a vile mood (at least DH thinks I am, I think I've woken up out of the alcoholic 'don't care' fog. Being sober apparently does not turn me into a nice person) and I need a rant.

My generally lovely, and very grown up DH seems to have swapped personalities with DS and it's driving me mad, and making me think about drink at 10am (notice he's not actually driving me to drink though!). And it's all about housework.

DH used to do all of the ironing and all of the washing up, 18 month ago we got our first dishwasher - no more washing up - I mostly stack it - because he seems incapable of a) doing it efficiently b) waiting until it is full to put it on. I unload it because I am always first up - the cat insists Grin. A year ago, we embraced non-ironing because so much built up that needed doing. No more ironing - but he doesn't like it when I take his ironing out of the machine, and if I do - and fold it, he doesn't put it away, so it creases and ends up back in the washing.

So, that's two jobs that are redundant - but he hasn't 'picked up anything else. Then, in September, both of us agreed we don't like cleaning, and can afford a cleaner - I arranged a cleaner, two hours a week, just for hoovering and polishing - keeps the place semi-habitable when we are busy (and I love it, best money I spend). But, a) somehow dealing with the cleaner has become entirely my responsibility b) he is apparently incapable of tidying so that the cleaner can do her job, which means I get up extra early on a Tuesday to make sure she can find the floor; c) when she can't come for two weeks (bereavement and funeral), the cleaning becomes my responsibility, even though we do the same job, and actually I am busier because I do it across two departments.

So I lost my rag and told him "The fucking dog does more fucking housework than you do" (he makes sure the kitchen floor stays crumb free!). He says he will do things if I ask - but that means I'm responsible, I have to ask, he can't see it for himself, and if I do ask - it takes hours or days for him to get round to it (shopping - he says he'll go so I don't have to, make a list. I make a list because we are out of almost EVERYTHING, wait for him to go. He doesn't go, it's lunchtime - I have to have something random or un-nutrious (super noodles) because he hasn't gone yet - he's alright because he didn't get up until 10 and had the last two slices of bread for toast at 11. Finally goes at 3, takes him an hour and a half.

I know it is so trivial, but I have one Kevin the teenager, (two if you count the dog), I can't cope with another. And now I've been made to feel unreasonable, naggy and shouty. (By the way, I'm not a neat freak, my standards are REALLY low).

Luffs you all Babes, I'll be back at lunchtime in a better mood.

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SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 12:07

OK, sorry for the above, feel free to ignore, I feel better just for getting it out, and DH went to work looking contrite, even if it hasn't turned into action yet!

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Elba84 · 17/01/2017 12:19

sweet that sounds frustrating- it would drive me nuts! That said, it's all I can manage to look after myself, let alone two Kevin's and a dog (your dog sounds awesome by the way!). Hope writing it down at least helped with the frustration a bit.

margie thank you xxx That's so, so lovely. Hope your ok today.

guggs glad your finally feeling the boing! Must be extra tiring with a little one to look after.

lux great that your starting to feel the benefits, and over half way through is brilliant. Despite variable sleep and my blips last night I can also see the difference, especially under my eyes still orange though

I can also do the whole going out and not drinking thing (though can also get spectacularly hammered) and often drive to avoid temptation, as long as I know I've got something to drink when I get in. It's so much harder to go out and not drink though when I know I have to stay sorber after. Avoiding it at the moment.

Didn't drink last night so it's day 2 officially, but 13 out of 17 sounds much better. Did however take some diazepam as got in a massive panic, not helped by the hangover. Had a good sleep in the end but drowsy thanks to the diazapam so hitting the coffee. Wish I hadn't taken it really, need to relearn how to sort myself out and go to bed without self medicating. Managed it well in October so don't know why it's harder this time.

Going to go for a gentle run in a bit and see how back holds up. If all goes well I aim to get back up to 8 miles over the next two weeks. Still getting referred pain in my hip and thigh so could go either way. But at least this way if I have to defer I know I've tried. Have an evening yoga class, and an early start for work tomorrow so shouldn't be hard to be af tonight.

Anyway hope everyone's having a good day. Sorry not to name check you all but reading everything!

beachestoexplore · 17/01/2017 12:28

Grin its good to know your standards are REALLY low Sweet. Housework is one of those constant frustrations, I was a stay at home mum for many years so dh got very comfortable not doing any - now if he collects the washing or makes a meal, he announces it to everyone and looks for congratulations Hmm. Most of the time I am just glad he is doing it but every now and then I feel like sending him back to the 1950's - I usually just tell him all the toilets need scrubbing Wink.

DavetheCat2001 · 17/01/2017 12:29

Elba I'm trying to psyche myself up to go out for a run. You're mentioning your going has helped spur me on!

Just waiting for my lunch to go down and will be hitting the freezing pavements at 1pm..brrrr.

beachestoexplore · 17/01/2017 12:32

X post with you elba, hope you have a good run Smile

beachestoexplore · 17/01/2017 12:32

And you Dave Smile

DavetheCat2001 · 17/01/2017 12:38

Thanks beaches

i really, really don't want to go out there..it's so cold!

Elba84 · 17/01/2017 12:42

Thanks beaches

You'll soon warm up dave Wink. I have to psyche myself up too when it's like this, but always feel so much better once I'm into it.

SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 12:47

Elba you sound better today - and you have so much insight, you will get there. SweetDog is a complete joy (mostly) - he even made my boss smile yesterday (for context, the boss' nickname is Eeyore). 13/17, I can't be bothered to do the percentages, but it's a lot. Yesterday on the Radio, Nick Knowles (yes, he's a dick, but even dicks are useful sometimes Wink) described his diet as 80% vegan, 15% ov vegetarian, 5% carnivore, because if he committed 100% to veganism and didn't live up to it in some tiny way, he would feel like a failure say, fuck it, and eating Big Macs all day. But the open door for 5% keeps him mostly vegan. Now, for lots of us, the 5% wouldn't work, but, it is a very kind way to deal with the reality.

Beaches, our house has three toilets, I only use the downstairs cloak. It is the only one that is clean, but I'm not sure how much longer I can hold out - I don't let the cleaner do it, far too Blush (nasty, smelly boys).

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SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 12:48

X-post. Put your running shoes on Dave motivation follows action, not the other way around.

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SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 12:50

Argh, I need an edit button for when I realise how bad my proof reading is.

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SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 13:13

Oh, and, Beeches, re: Sweet's REALLY low standards & and her DH's inability to use his own initiative. The toilet DH uses is in the en suite. I only use the room for showers, I even brush teeth, do hair and make up etc downstairs now (don't think he has noticed this). There has been a PJ top on the back of the toilet for over two months now (maybe longer). It is X-L, and has long sleeves, so very definitely NOT mine. I am refusing to acknowledge its existence.

Is there a DH version of 'dog shaming'? Grin

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DavetheCat2001 · 17/01/2017 14:27

I went!

SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 14:48

Well done Dave . Remember how good it feels to have done it (not the pain of thinking about it or doing it!)

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LuxuryWoman2017 · 17/01/2017 15:08

Good afternoon all,
Just checking in, nothing exciting to say or add.
Elba you sound a bit brighter, I'm pleased, I admire all you runners while thinking you're all quite mad Smile

Housework, yep, the source of so much resentment and frustration. I read a lot of threads here which make it sound like the husbands are never seen without a mop and a bottle of bleach in their hands - not in my world.

Feeling slightly under the weather so although I am reading all posts and cheering everyone on I'm going to go and have a short snooze!

Elba84 · 17/01/2017 16:11

Me too dave. Hope your enjoying the post run endorphin rush!

Did a deliberately bit frustratingly slow 7.5k, back fine but hip sore, although not unmanageably so. If all ok will go for 6 miles on Thursday. Need to set small goals I think, both for running and drinking. Never managed 14 days af (think 11 or 12 is the most) so would love to be af for the next two weeks and shift the focus on to running. Laughing at myself a bit saying that though as the first thing I did when I got home was light a cigarette Blush Not the time to tackle that one though!

I am brighter today- think proper sober sleep makes the difference. The ups and downs feel a bit unpredictable and tiring though, but I guess better than staying down!

sweet GrinGrin at 'even dicks are useful sometimes'!! Hope I don't look quite like the photo- my face at least is not orange! I like the 5% thing. I can't in all honesty say I'm ready to try and never drink again- the idea scares the crap out of me, and like you said once I fail I will tend to think fuck it. But equally I don't want to go back to how things were. Thinking about trying to treat February the same as January- aim for mostly af, but accept the drinking days as blips not failures.

lux enjoy your snooze and hope you feel better!

Have a yoga class in a bit so need to go and find something decent to eat. Have a feeling that eating properly, rather than the running, might be the biggest challenge.

Elba84 · 17/01/2017 16:13

Obligatory beach/harbour photos from today's run!

Brave Babes - Barging through 2017 in style
Brave Babes - Barging through 2017 in style
EasyToEatTiger · 17/01/2017 16:30

I hate housework. The hoover is a load of old rubbish and I spend so much time taking it to bits and putting it back together that really there is not much time left to use it. Despite the relative sobriety, the house is not much cleaner!

DavetheCat2001 · 17/01/2017 16:42

Well done elba!

I managed a 7k, and did a couple of brutal hills. My buttocks are not happy!

I've just had an hours snooze before it's time to head off and pick up the kids.

Hope everyone has a peaceful evening.

SweetLathyrus · 17/01/2017 16:43

Tiger, ours isn't much cleaner either, but I care more!

Elba, I bet you 'frustratingly slow 7.5 km took you less than an hour - than would be a sprint to me , (short legs and a bosom made for comfort rather than speed Grin)

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