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2017 - following on from my bolt out the blue

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aleC4 · 01/01/2017 21:19

So here is my new thread as promised. I have found it so therapeutic writing on here and have received some great advice and support.
Here's to grabbing 2017 by the horns and making it my year.
(With maybe a few wobbles along the way!)
I can't work out how to link to my old thread on my phone!

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aleC4 · 08/08/2017 13:48

Micky you are so right about relationships. Mine with ds is so much closer now. He tells me everything and we have a lot of laughs.

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Hissy · 08/08/2017 14:01

Oh love, it sounds awful

FWIW, I didnt sleep when ds went away for his first residential trip, but he was not camping out. this week has been grim and he has done an overnight every week with his holiday club, but when i read on to your last message about your DD and being pinched and the tears and your Ex not allowing DS to comfort his Dsis.

Unforgivable.

If I were you I would send a screenshot of the message to your Ex and say that unless he can make sure your DD was not going to be pinched by this child that you will be collecting them both at 6pm today.

Sounds like your DD could do with a few martial arts classes....

Hissy · 08/08/2017 14:02

This would be absolutely the last overnight with the pair of them too.

inlectorecumbit · 08/08/2017 14:15

Yep l would send the screenshot message to your DH if you were sure there would be no repercussions to your DS today.
However you could leave it till you get them back, send it and explain that while your DD is being bullied by OW's DD and not protected against the bullying by her DF contact will be......

  1. no contact if the DD is there
  2. no contact and seek legal advice
Cary2012 · 08/08/2017 14:24

aleC4, go and pick your kids up.

aleC4 · 08/08/2017 14:55

I feel so torn. Part of me just wants to jump in the car and get them. But part of me also thinks that maybe these relationships need working at before they can better.
There is no real mobile signal at the place they've gone to for the day so contacting them is difficult. I worry that if I confront h about it now he will have a go at ds for involving me.
If either dc ask me to I will be there like a shot.
The problem is as well I only have ds side of the story. He can be a bit dramatic and is quite emotional. Dd will usually give as good as she gets and can be a real handful. I do 't know what happened around the crying incident and I can't really find out at the moment.

If it is all true then there will be no more overnight stays when those dc are there and I would have to be persuaded for them to have any contact with them at all.
I just can't fathom out how someone can change so much. He had his moments but he would never let his dc get picked on. He would stand up for them and protect them.
To be honest I think he may be trying too hard to include all the kids and not favour ha own and has taken it far too far.

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Cary2012 · 08/08/2017 19:42

He has had to change in order to do what he's done. Like I said previously if he allows his guard down, the whole reality will hit like a ton of bricks.

Yes, your ds may be over dramatic and things might not be as bleak as he says. Thing is, you KNOW your kids, you've got their backs always. If I can offer advice about this then I would suggest that whilst you're on your lovely holiday you talk to them about how they really feel about staying at dad's. Don't minimise their doubts, but likewise don't make things more than they are. Just talk, try and take the emotion out of it, and if they don't want to stay with him, her and her brood for a while, then take their reasons on board, and agree that they really don't have to, then when you get home email him, telling him their reasons and for now there will be no more stopovers.

The key is that you follow their lead: if they, on balance, want to continuing staying with them, agree, let them go, paste a smile on your face, and step back. Don't ask too much, keep it light and laid back. If they don't want to stay, then support that in the same manner. They will hopefully have a good relationship with their dad, but like I said before, he and only he can drive this.

Remember too that a couple of years will make a massive difference: they will decide for themselves, they will see him in a different way as they grow up.

You have done, and are doing, bloody well. You are their rock. When he walked away, he gambled his relationship with his kids. You never took your love and care away and never will. They are lucky to have you, so just relax, because whilst they might not be happy with him, they are safe. If he doesn't feel ready to man up and show his love for his kids it isn't because the love isn't there, it's because he can't show it. He can't show it because it forces him to acknowledge how much he's hurt them.
Enjoy your holiday, every minute. You deserve a wonderful time x

aleC4 · 08/08/2017 23:59

Cary thank you.
Your post made me well up, you speak a lot of truth.
I have managed to speak to ds tonight. He said he and dd are sticking together - which makes a change! - as the others are not being very nice.
He also said they are sleeping together tonight in the same pod and they both feel happier about that.
He said they can't wait to come home.
Neither can I!

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Zofloraqueen27 · 09/08/2017 06:17

Hello aleC4. I have been watching your thread since the start and have posted earlier. You really are doing a wonderful job of holding your children together through this past year, and I know this has not been easy for you. I do agree with Cary's suggestion about talking to your children when you are on holiday away from the situation created solely by their father. In a few short years they will be old enough to say when they meet their father and it will be on their terms. Your husband will have to face this and he will have to accept just what upheaval and distress in their (and your) lives he is responsible for. You have done so very well in arranging (and paying) for a holiday for you all. I bet you could not have imagined having the ability to do this last year. I just hope your h had the thought to give his children some extra holiday spending money.. I do hope too the fact that you are managing so well without him, arranging your own mortgage, and supporting two lovely children and now taking them away on a lovely holiday will just be a stab in his cold stupid heart and make him realise what a rather sad life he now has. Hope you all have a lovely holiday in the sun - you so deserve it.

Flamingosarepink · 09/08/2017 08:24

Im a serial name changer but been following your threads from the start. I was wondering about you the other day so pleased to see you had posted although v sorry things dont seem to have improved regarding your ex dh and your dc.

It does sound like your ex is in cloud cuckoo land re ow and his dc. Hes missed a whole phase/stage where he should be supporting his kids come to terms with the new situation and building a new normal with them. Hes just moved straight onto playing happy families - poorly.

Hes just blind to how much change your kids need to come to terms with. He is in his own little world. He really does seem oblivious to the upheaval and mental impact this has had on everyone else. Is there anyone who could do some straight talking to him? Make him stop and think about how hes played this? Anyone he might listen to?
Enjoy getting your dc home later today.

aleC4 · 09/08/2017 09:04

Thanks for the support everyone.
They are coming home early!
Ex just text to say can he drop them off this morning so he can go back to sort the tent out. That way they won't have to get soaked and freezing cold while they wait. I must admit I laughed at his ridiculous, far too late attempt to be a parent who cares but of course said yes.
I was meant to be meeting friends for coffee but I've cancelled. I would never change my plans for him but it's not him who will suffer if I say no, it's them. And I just want them back with me.
Lots of packing to do today but I think a movie snuggled on the sofa will be the first priority.

You're right about him not creating a new different normal first.
The dc needed time with him in his new home to establish a routine of 'this is what we do when we're here'. They needed the security of that in order for them to feel they maybe had a bit of control over things.
Instead they had about 3 weeks before the news was broken that he was in a relationship and from then on she has been ever-present.
I will try to talk to them while we are away and see if I can get to the real feelings. But I also want it to be some time away from all this shit so they can just free their minds and relax and have fun.

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Cary2012 · 09/08/2017 09:21

Glad they're coming home early.
Have a great holiday. x

aleC4 · 09/08/2017 20:27

So nice to have them back.
They have chilled out all day and had a warm bath.
Now we're busy finishing the packing.

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Mumek · 09/08/2017 20:45

Have a wonderful holiday, you all deserve it x

Greengrass1 · 09/08/2017 21:45

Where you off aleC4 anywhere nice?
Will this be first holiday he three of you?
Enjoy :)

Greengrass1 · 09/08/2017 21:46

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Flamingosarepink · 09/08/2017 22:22

Have a fab holiday. You certainly deserve it.

aleC4 · 09/08/2017 23:05

Greengrass we are going to Lanzarote. It is the first holiday I've done on my own with them so it's a big deal. We haven't had a proper beach holiday in years. Last time we went abroad we went to Florida and it wasn't exactly restful!
The nerves are kicking in now to be honest. It feels like huge responsibility. I won't miss exh as he was always a grump on holiday but I will miss having another adult their to share the responsibility.

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Questioningeverything · 10/08/2017 10:53

Hope you have a brilliant time on holiday! X

aleC4 · 11/08/2017 13:50

We're here and I'm feeling so relaxed already.
It just feels like a million miles away from the humdrum of home.
Thanks for all the well wishes. I'm so glad I spent my money on this and not a new kitchen!!

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Goodasgoldilox · 11/08/2017 14:03

This is wonderful to hear - you deserve it!

aleC4 · 12/08/2017 23:35

I. An't believe how much good this holiday has done us already.
I feel so relaxed but more importantly the kids are chilled out too. They have been getting on well, playing together etc
The only gripe I would have is that o would have thought in this day and age holidays would not be so set on the stereotypical family.
Every night at dinner I have been asked is it 4? Tonight when I won something at the entertainment the first thing the guy asked me - where is your husband.

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Beentherelefthimgotthetshirt · 12/08/2017 23:57

I remember taking the kids out to dinner not long after splitting up from XH. When the three of us arrived I realised I'd booked a table for four out of habit! The DSDs were quite excited at the thought of me springing a surprise chap on them when they saw the table laid for 4!

When you walk into the restaurant tomorrow get in there first with "table for three please" to head them off at the pass.

I hope you had a witty reply for the entertainment twunt bloke. If not get a few up your sleeve. "Sorry I'm not interested but thanks for asking" would shut him up nicely if said with a smile.

Anyway, I'm glad you're all having a chilled time.

aleC4 · 14/08/2017 22:52

The lovely waiters in the restaurant know us now. Every night they welcome us as a table if three now.
I don't want to come home.
It is so nice to leave all the shit of home behind and live in a parallel universe for a bit.

Ds is like a different child here. He has made friends and joined in so many activities - and loved them. It is lovely to see him with a bit of confidence again.

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aleC4 · 15/08/2017 23:40

One more full day here, I don't want to go home. Sad

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