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How do I make my narcissistic mother leave my flat?

318 replies

purplewild60 · 26/12/2016 16:40

Please help. I am a 30 year old daughter of a narcissistic mother who is probably so far on the spectrum she is knocking on the door of a full blown personality disorder with antisocial and OCD traits. She pushed me hard to achieve academic excellence, and I did it - got good grades, good university and graduated with a promising career ahead of me. Although to friends I was calm, collected and fun no one ever met my mother and behind the scenes she was a needy, selfish, paranoid control freak.

Cutting quite a long story short that would require several posts (and probably years of therapy), my mother has used many ways to control me e.g. making my rent a really expensive flat because she liked it, so I couldn’t save for my own place or to buy anything big without asking her for money. She made me give her my bank details, initially so she could “help me move money around” but basically was a way for her to check up on me. I opened another bank account in secret and when she found out she went mad, crying that I don’t trust her and that I must be doing something shady if I didn’t want her to see my outgoings! She also made a record of everything she ever spent on me and said that I needed to pay her back this sum after graduating. We agreed on an amount each month I would give her, even though she didn’t need the money but wanted to recoup her “investment”.

Things came to a head recently when I didn’t pick up her phone and she got annoyed so drew out £2000 from my bank account putting me into overdraft. It was the last straw so I cancelled all my bank accounts that she could access. She says she is entitled to any money I have because she bought me up, and it isn’t enough to pay back all the money I owe her anyhow. After this, I decided I needed to really start removing her hold on my life She has a key to my flat so I changed the locks. When I told her, she just laughed and said “I’ll get a locksmith or knock the door down, you can’t keep me out”. She also says she “helped me choose” this stupidly expensive flat and she has loads of stuff in there so she feels it is as much her flat as mine.

I stuck to my guns, and left the locks changed. I told her we shouldn’t spend Christmas together as things were so bad between us, it hurt so much to do this but she just wouldn’t accept it saying she had booked train tickets so was going to come anyway. I then got a call to say she was outside, had called a locksmith to come, and would deduct the cost of this from the money I owe (seriously?!). It’s all my fault for ruining her Christmas and she is going to make me pay. Luckily I had decided to move all my important stuff out of the flat and stay with friends over Christmas to avoid a confrontation.

I have gone over there in the night and can see the lights on in my flat, so she wasn't bluffing - this woman has illegally gotten into my flat and is staying in there against my will! She has probably changed the locks on me now! Despite very supportive close friends, this has been a dark cloud on my Christmas. After telling me she is inside my flat, I have had no contact with her, she didn’t even call on Christmas day.

I really don’t know what to do at this stage. I have no idea how long she will be in there for, or what she is doing in there. I think her plan is probably to wait me out, and make me beg to get inside my own flat. I have a lot of my things and a place to stay if I need it, but I can’t let her squat there forever. I am still paying the rent and responsible for any damage in the flat until my tenancy is up. I need to break the radio silence and call her up/go over there but I am petrifed of even seeing her right now. Some have told me the only resort is the police, but I have such a deep sense of shame about telling them this crazy drama, I’m also scared they won’t be able to help me, or that my mother will create a huge scene with all my neighbours watching.

If anyone has any kind of similar experience about getting rid of an unwanted person from your property, I would appreciate any advice. It’s especially difficult as she does a great old lady act, she knows I have a lot at stake and she has threatened to sit outside my building or my workplace telling everyone I'm a whore and a thief because I owe her money, and that I am willing to kick my own mother out of my place.

OP posts:
Wolverbamptonwanderer · 27/12/2016 17:41

What 316 section? A&E?

I don't think you need a solicitor particularly, a super compliant will be all you need

Wolverbamptonwanderer · 27/12/2016 17:42

And anyway... OPs mother isn't going to get sectioned got squatting in her house

OP seems to have disappeared anyway

roodie · 27/12/2016 17:43

What a nightmare.

I would work on an escape plan as though she were an abusive partner.

New bank account. new email address. new phone number. Rent a new place that you can actually afford.

Brew

Good luck breaking free.

myoriginal3 · 27/12/2016 17:43

No, in the psychiatric hospital. They have a special room there where you're observed from behind glass. Hah

frieda909 · 27/12/2016 17:51

Thinking of you OP. Really hope things are OK.

Gallavich · 27/12/2016 17:53

Have you called the police?

myoriginal3 · 27/12/2016 17:56

She is breaking and entering as far as I see it

PastysPrincess · 27/12/2016 18:16

I agree, sounds like breaking and entering. Squatting is when you occupy empty properties. In any case the law was changed recently so squatting is a criminal offence too.

purplewild60 · 27/12/2016 19:35

Sent my mother a message to warn her I would be calling the police if she didn't leave. Got several calls and messages back with the same old bs. I'm in the wrong, I owe her money, I stopped her getting in so she had to do it her own way, she's going to sue me etc.

I don't care about the nuances of sectioning right now, just need to make sure the police can sort this out, and if I possibly can I will try and get her some help once I am safe.

Unlikely to be anymore posts from me for a while until I get my life under control. Thanks for everything, your support has given my the strength to do what I've need to do for a long time.

OP posts:
MrsBertBibby · 27/12/2016 19:36

"Breaking and entering" isn't an offence, though.

MrsBertBibby · 27/12/2016 19:37

Good luck OP.

Have you actually checked your keys don't work?

myoriginal3 · 27/12/2016 19:39

Best of luck op. She's a horrible human and you're not.
Abusive people are not just male.
Women are pretty good at it too.

ChanandlerBongsNeighbour · 27/12/2016 19:41

Good luck OP. You already are stronger than you thought you were. You can do it. Imagine the joy you can experience if you break free. All the best!

frieda909 · 27/12/2016 20:41

Good luck OP. It sounds very stressful and confusing for you. Come back whenever you feel ready, we'll be here.

lizzytee · 27/12/2016 20:41

OP, good to hear back from you and good to hear that you are planning to take steps.

Just want to reiterate that normal, loving parents do not demand repayment from their children.

They don't seek to control their adult children's finances without agreement.

They don't gain access to their adult child's home by deception.

They don't then tell lies about why they did these things, or claim that it's actually your fault that they did them.*

Please do go through with your plans to extricate yourself, starting with your finances. This actually worries me more than the lock-changing antics.

If you change bank account rather than asking for passwords to be reset on your existing account, consider providers who use PIN devices (Barclays, HSBC) in addition to passwords for online banking, or banking on your phone so it's Touch ID i.e. your fingerprint - basically nothing that can be shared with another person.

Check if it's possible to give notice on your tenancy sooner than June - Shelter is probably a good place to start if you're not sure where to start- I have a feeling that notwithstanding your tenancy agreement you still have the right to give one month's notice.

Take care - I know it's difficult as I went Low Contact with my sister for the best part of 5 years and despite the crap that lead me to that point it was incredibly painful to me to do it.

*Disclaimer: my normal, loving parents still do some frankly bizarre things and are capable of driving me completely nuts. But not this stuff. Where I live, who I live with, what I do and what I spend my earnings on - my business, since I was 19.

JustGettingStarted · 27/12/2016 20:42

OP, I think she's literally deluded and probably assumes that the law will be on her side. I guess she will have to learn the hard way that she is wrong.

Good luck to you.

PuntCuffin · 27/12/2016 22:12

Good luck. You sound like a strong and capable woman, even if you are only starting to discover that now. I sincerely hope you can extricate yourself from her delusions.

EweAreHere · 27/12/2016 22:13

Good luck, OP.

Groovee · 27/12/2016 22:14

Good luck OP x

SealSong · 27/12/2016 22:42

Good luck OP. You don't have to take this crap from your mother. Stay strong and claim your life back.

LemonyFresh · 27/12/2016 22:51

Have you contacted the police yet?

GeekyWombat · 28/12/2016 05:12

Good luck OP.

flumpybear · 28/12/2016 05:53

Sounds horrendous I hope you sort this. Don't be ashamed, it's her not you!!

MiscellaneousAssortment · 28/12/2016 06:10

Sounds like she's so sure of her hold on you that she's over stepped this time - which is a really good thing for you OP though it may not feel like it right now.

Her belief in her power does not reflect reality. Get advice and get good info as this will help you and allow you to tether this incident into reality, not the rantings of a vile woman who believes that she gave birth to a slave, not an actual human being like any other.

I do hope you are still reading as it's worth knowing that as you see freedom in sight finally, it's the most dangerous time. She is losing her grip on her victim, and won't take it lying down. Prepare for her to fight dirty and be very very wary.

Good luck, and be careful 🍀

mirokarikovo · 28/12/2016 07:50

The locksmith should be sued for enabling a non-occupant to gain access to the flat.

Do you have keys for her home? Could you go and live there for a couple of days until she gets bored and leaves your flat?

You may be able to leave your flat sooner than July if you find a new tenant yourself.

You need to escape the clutches of this woman. I deleted "your mother" writing the previous sentence as he behaviour is too awful for her to deserve that title. You do not owe her any debt at all for the costs of bringing you up. No baby or young child can be morally or legally expected to enter into a financial agreement like that, how ridiculous.

It's fair enough for you to pay back larger sums loaned explicitly when you were old enough to earn and choosing between options to manage without her money or borrow from her with the explicit understanding that it would be repaid. I borrowed £3000 from my own mum interest-free for a car, and paid her back - that's normal.

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