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Support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh thread 4

913 replies

Lilacpink40 · 13/12/2016 21:15

Hi allSmile

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Namechanger2015 · 21/12/2016 13:03

Thank you StopLaughingDrRoss.

And as for your siblings - they're not having to deal with the anxiety and upset that each contact brings. It is so easy to say 'keep things civil' when they don't experience that gut wrenching feeling when your phone tells you there's a text waiting. They don't deal with the fallout for your gorgeous DC when he once again, fucks them around. I can see it's coming from a place of love but unless you've been there, there is no way to know how a short text about dates can potentially generate a huge shit storm.

It's so, so true, they are amazing and supportive in every single way - my (single, childless) brother has just today booked days off work to take care of the DDs when I am travelling for work, no questions asked. They give me advice to protect me and the DDs, and to keep my head straight, but they are almost too nice and too understanding - they see him as a normal human being in some ways still and so always remind me to keep up my end of the bargain of being a good parent and facilitating contact no matter how infrequent it is.

If I proactively text him he will speak to the girls and make them feel bad. DD1's anxiety will flare up again before our hols, and it's not fair on her. I am adamant I don't want to call him and they really think I should.

The anxiety, guilt, worry and simple confusion over a minor matter like this is horrendous. If he is a good dad he will call them. I'll have to leave it as that I think. He clearly doesn't give a shit though as he has been texting me to argue about this all week but hasn't once actually picked up the phone to speak to his children.

His work have compulsory shutdown over Xmas so I think its only just dawned on him that its xmas and he hasn't got any plans, so the DD should be dropping everything to attend to his needs as he is free.

Natsku your WN sounds deranged. Your poor DD. Somehow the fucking us about feels far worse at Xmas, when it should be a time for happy families and lovely relaxing breaks from work.

nicenewdusters · 21/12/2016 14:10

Just off but wanted to say Name I completely agree with Stop. He knows what he needs to know, he's just being a bully. F*k him, and have a wonderful holiday. Your family mean well.

Good luck to everybody else, catch up Friday x

FeelTheNoise · 21/12/2016 15:02

I've dived onto these threads a few times, but they move quicker than I do!
But this is where I need to be.
XP is dreadful, a narcissistic sociopath/violent chronic alcoholic. His mother is a sinister sociopath, who wants unlimited and unrestricted access to her grandchildren, and would rather have them taken from their mothers than lose that 'right'.
His teenagers are involved, their mother has threatened us repeatedly, her family have. It's endless! It is literally endless.
He's emailed last night, he's bringing xmas presents to my house on xmas eve bloody knowing he's not to come to my door! But it's yet another boundary he has to break. If I send a short message not to come to my door, he'll find a way around it. If I preempt all the ways around it, I'll to send a long winded set of instructions which will just open up a dialogue. Sooooooo bored of this

2012PP · 21/12/2016 16:24

Welcome NOISE. IM so sorry you find yourself here, tho plenty of support, virtual.hand holding and a general relief that someone (a fully fledged adult) actually just "gets it " and "understands" what it's like living with these people!

2012PP · 21/12/2016 16:26

NAME ; have a lovely lovely marvellous fun holiday

Ohb0llocks · 21/12/2016 17:19

The bugger is home. 3 pouches of food, a cocktail sausage, a meatball and some dreamies. He seems happy

greencarbluecar · 21/12/2016 18:53

How do they all learn to be the same? Sorry I'm so rubbish at remembering who's said what, I haven't slept much lately! But they are the same. Whoever it was who said no decent lawyer would advise refusing contact to gain more contact, WN has done exactly that before, refused contact then accused me of withholding it! Right now I'm concerned that he's manipulating DC into saying and doing things which he can use against me. So wrong.

To everyone going away, have a wonderful time. Remember that they are the problem, not us, and you deserve your time away.

Sorry to see so many of us are here with these problems, but a huge warm welcome to everyone new.

Oh and dusters thank you, I feel like you're my friend too. Even though I wouldn't know who any of you were if I bumped right into you, I am so glad we can all support each other.

frog really hope everything went well for you today x

FeelTheNoise · 21/12/2016 19:24

They are all the same, that's something the freedom programme really taught me: he's a type of person, a horrible type!

What does WN mean? I'm sure it'll apply to XP.... wanky narc?

FeelTheNoise · 21/12/2016 19:28

Ah yes GREEN, XP refused contact then went berserk later because I'm 'difficult' and he said he was sick of me. My son was only 6 days old then! XP had seen him 4 times, his daughter had seen him once, his shitstain narc parents had met him once. He wasn't doing too badly for contact!
Anyway he's pushed, bullied, harassed, intimidated and threatened his way down to zero contact. To hell with his crap, it doesn't belong in my son's life story

Froginapan · 21/12/2016 19:33

I won, more or less. It feels like a very hollow victory, though.

X

FeelTheNoise · 21/12/2016 19:47

I hope you're ok FROG, court is my fear, the threat of it just hangs over like an ever present dark cloud. Sending you 🍷🍷🍷 with a cheeky shot x

Homely1 · 21/12/2016 19:49

For me too FeeltheNoise.... Frog, what was ordered?

FeelTheNoise · 21/12/2016 19:51

HOMELY was it you who was asking about the progression to overnight contact? I rtft last night. Overnight is my big fear because that's when XP really hits the bottle

Natsku · 21/12/2016 19:53

Glad you won frog but sorry it feels hollow.

It was me that said that greencar they really are all the same, aren't they? Refuse contact and then say we're denying it, gaslight us, tell us we're the ones that are wrong/pathetic/cruel/insert other bad thing but the truth comes out eventually.

Natsku · 21/12/2016 19:54

In good news DD is going to sleep like a dream now she's started on melatonin. WN still insists her insomnia is because she isn't seeing him and insists she gets to call him while she is in bed but I've reiterated that I'm following a strict routine set out by the medical professionals and I sure as hell won't break it for him.

greencarbluecar · 21/12/2016 20:06

Nat you've got it spot on. Thanks everyone, good to know I'm not alone and it's just another tactic, but as always tinged with that sadness and frustration that so many of us have to deal with it.

Glad she'll be sleeping well Nat. You sound so strong, you're incredible.

frog that's good newp, I think I can imagine the hollow feeling though. Can you tell us about it without it being too revealing?

greencarbluecar · 21/12/2016 20:09

Oh and yes feelthenoise you've got it. Think it was WankNarc originally? purple it's one of your gems isn't it?

I've actually started thinking of him as WN in my head. Will have to be careful not to use it IRL!

2012PP · 21/12/2016 20:09

Hey FROG - Wine and more . Congratulations. Sorry it feels so hollow.

greencarbluecar · 21/12/2016 20:11

Newp = news. No idea what newp is. A cross between a newt and an apple pip? Funny way of saying no? Even my phone has lost the plot...

Natsku · 21/12/2016 20:12

I don't feel strong but my new friend from the weekend has inspired me - she was so calm through the chaos, its like she had figured out something that I hadn't so I'm trying to figure out for myself how to find that calm. DD's bedtime routine now includes about twenty minutes of me cuddling her in bed which I think is really helping - before I would be so frustrated by bedtime that I'd be desperate for a break but now its just different somehow.

Not long until Christmas now - everyone got the presents wrapped?

Froginapan · 21/12/2016 20:20

I wish I could reveal more but to do so would be seriously outing due to the issue I at least got a 'stay' on being only a small percentage of the child population. That all sounds very cryptic but it really would be too identifying.

I feel utterly numb - I'm anal or nothing person (and very much try to keep that in check because life is not that simple at all) but for me the 'win' wasn't truly a win - there is no one in this mess who hasn't lost something and that bothers me greatly and rightly or wrongly I feel responsible for it.

Froginapan · 21/12/2016 20:22

An all (not bloody anal)

FeelTheNoise · 21/12/2016 20:27

Just remember how much more your children and you would have lost if you'd have not stood your ground x

greencarbluecar · 21/12/2016 20:36

frog remember. You didn't cause it, you couldn't have prevented it and you can't control it. IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

And therefore, you are not responsible for it.

StopLaughingDrRoss · 21/12/2016 21:13

Oh Frog - it sounds so awful today but I think the post by Noise sums it up... you've done the very best you can Flowers and I'm sorry, but anal is a great typo Grin

Noise - it sounds like his entire family have issues and you are well shot of him. I think I have MIL problems but yours sounds on a different level - the apple has clearly not fallen too far from that tree. You have your head screwed on though and was interested to see your a Freedom Programme graduate. Did it help? I know you can do it online so have been debating whether to try it. I did CBT many moons back and it helped enormously but now that WN (which is indeed Wanky Narc) only shows his true colours in rare outbursts, when they do happen they really knock me for six. His low level shit is always there but I can deal with that but does the FP help with the more extreme behaviour?

Nat - if you work out the magic of how to be all calm and serene, please let me know. Your new friend sounds very inspiring - we all need someone like that (you guys are mine!)