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What happened when you told the husband/ wife

436 replies

Molly333 · 17/11/2016 23:36

Following on from a recent thread in here what happened when those of you told the partner/ husband/wife of the person who was part of the 'affair' ?

OP posts:
darkages · 21/11/2016 16:10

Jesus Bubble just leave! The one shouting the odds is you. I and others have said politely and sympathetically that They feel for you - but no, sapphire did not do what your sil did. The circumstances cannot have been identical. You cannot know that.

We all have traumatic experiences. All of us. But cannot blame everyone in a similar experience for that trauma.

BubbleGumBubble · 21/11/2016 16:11

Thank you Sofa I have asked for support elswhere this thread was totally the wrong thread for that. My mistake it just snowballed.

ShebaShimmyShake · 21/11/2016 16:11

Bubble, do an act of pure selfishness, pure self preservation, and hide this thread. It's nothing to do with me, Lying, Sapphire or anyone else. Just for your own sake, hide the thread.

It will do you no good to read about other situations, different from yours, where people ended up happy, wives did foolish things that returned consequences and nobody died. You want to imagine that anyone who had an affair under any circumstances is crippled with guilt forever, and the simple fact is they are not. It's obviously distressing you to confront this, but people aren't under obligation to stop posting because you don't like their stories. And it sounds like it's damaging you. So take responsibility for your mental state, do something entirely for yourself and please, please, leave the thread.

mrssapphirebright · 21/11/2016 16:15

I can't help but wonder if Bubble's brother would have still sadly ended his life even if his wife had done the right thing and not cheated, but had simply owned up to loving someone else and left before any of the cheating or lying. It sounded like the loss of his wife, fear of losing his kids and the shame of divorce was equally to blame for him feeling like he had no choice but to end his life.

Which was my point all along - i'm not sure in my situation if dh's ex wife would have acted any less violent if there was no infidelity. I actually don't think she would as she was just distraught he was leaving her.

Which raised my question to Bubble that people can't help fallign in love with someone else. There would have been hurt caused simply by ending the realtionship because of falling for someone else - with or without any of the deception or infedelity.

CouldIHaveIt · 21/11/2016 16:17

MrsSapphire

I didn't think your first post was at all smug. Just factual. Answering the op's question.

But I did wince as I expected the subsequent backlash. Mention you were an OW on MN and everything will then focus on your post, not the OP's question. You will be vilified, no matter what.

I think what you did is pretty normal in the real world. You tried to fix a marriage that wasn't working, your DH didn't want to go to counselling, you felt unloved, unwanted & fed up. But, like most, you didn't actually leave until you found someone to give you the confidence or urgency to do so. 8 weeks is a very very short amount of time to make that decision.

People hurt & get hurt. Sadly that's life.

(Before anyone asks, yes, I have been cheated on, so I do know the pain.)

You're DH's ex sounds pretty nasty. That's not down to him cheating, that's who she is. I did things re my Ex's OW some I regret, some I don't, but as much as I'd have loved to lamp the smug bitch one, I didn't, because as pissed off as I was (she knew what she was doing and it wasn't love, it was purely to be a bitch) I valued myself more than that (plus physically, I'm a wimp 😖😂).

I'm glad you, DH, exDH & the kids are happy.

darkages · 21/11/2016 16:19

Agreed. Suicide is a tragic state of mind and usually an indication that the sufferer is not well. Causes untold grief as everyone knows.

However to hold one person solely responsible for another persons life is harsh - as pp said - perhaps the act of her leaving would have had the same tragic consequence.

No doubt she will also have to live with that for the rest of her life. I am sure that was the very last thing she wanted.

BubbleGumBubble · 21/11/2016 16:21

Please please dont make assumptions regarding his suicide.
I know I have behaved badly but please dont talk about him like that.
Call me names whatever but dont discuss him or assume he would have done it anyway.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/11/2016 16:23

Mombie, you went above and beyond for your husband's OW to protect her. Did she see sense or actually end up with him?

CouldIHaveIt · 21/11/2016 16:24

Mombie. It doesn't make you look like an idiot at all. It makes you look like a thouroughly decent human being 💐 What she did (if she knew he was married?) was wrong, really wrong, but no decent person would wish your exh on her.

I'm so, so sorry what he put you through, no one deserves that, least of all someone as decent as you. I'm glad the police told you about his previous as that gives you good grounds for never letting him anywhere near your DD. Ever.

I really hope you can recover from the way he has treat you and have a happy life with your DD & in time, some lovely bloke who treats you like the lovely person you are 💐

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/11/2016 16:25

Ooops... sorry, you answered that already in your post, d'oh! Blush

I think you were an absolute saint and I hope you're happy in your life now. :)

mrssapphirebright · 21/11/2016 16:28

Thanks for your honesty CouldIHaveIt. My exdh has subsequently said that at first he could've easily punched dh in the face, but that he realised that if I was serious about leaving there was no point and that if I loved OM then he would possibly end up in his dc lives so there was no point in making things worse for a moment of revenge.

i appreciate not everyone is a controlled as you and my exdh, but I think it pays off in the long run.

CouldIHaveIt · 21/11/2016 16:30

Lying

I think the clue was in this sentence

she's still happily married. Her bloke never found out

CouldIHaveIt · 21/11/2016 16:31

LYINg

Cross posted

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/11/2016 16:32

This probably explains why you are still good friends with your ex husband, Sapphire. He sounds like a measured and decent man who was thinking of his children and of you, in sticking up for you with your husband's ex wife.

CouldIHaveIt · 21/11/2016 16:36

MrsS

Your DH showed great clarity of thought at a tough time.

Plus, you know, I'm no saint. I've done things I shouldn't have. I've hurt people. Who hasn't?

Only on MN is life so black & white. So clear. In RL it's much more grey & cloudy.

Goodythreeshoes · 21/11/2016 16:47

The only time I have EVER lashed out in anger was when I discovered my (D)H was having an affair. We'd been married 34 years. He was at the receiving end - fortunately OW was at the other end of the country. I'm not sure what I'd have done if I'd found them together.
I'm not proud I belted him, it wasn't premeditated - but I don't regret him witnessing the utter devastation I felt at the time.
I certainly don't now consider myself a danger to children!

GutInstinct · 21/11/2016 17:06

It's incredibly simplistic to suggest that people should just leave their marriages first, but in truth society is even less tolerant of someone leaving a marriage purely because they're unhappy than they are of someone who leaves to be with someone else. Take a look at the relationships board, and posters who post about their husbands wanting out. The response is almost always that he must have an OW and if not then he's a coward for daring to leave his wife and children.

I was married to an emotionally abusive man. He was convinced I would leave him for someone else, he tried to gaslight me into thinking that he knew I was having an affair (I wasn't,) he hacked into all my social media accounts, my emails, put key loggers on my computer to track what I was doing, put a tracker on my phone and then confronted me when I came home if I wasn't exactly where I said I was, I.e. Didn't remember the name of a pub, prevented me from going back to work, moved us 200 miles away from friends and family thus ensuring I had no support network, and then spent all his spare time away from me while insisting I should stay home.

Then I started talking to someone online about a mutual hobby, and talk became more personal until eventually we met up and yes, had an affair. it is without doubt one of the most regrettable things I have ever done because me having had an affair means that everything he did previously was cancelled out, and the wrong was all on me. Didn't matter how much he abused me before that, I was a cheat, and as such he was an innocent victim.

In my case it wasn't that I fell deeply in love with OM and needed to leave my marriage to be with him, but meeting him made me realise that I was none of the awful things my DH had told me I was over the years. So it gave me the strength to leave anyway. We didn't end up together, and that too was the right thing. And me and XH are now on better terms than we ever were, because I no longer have to feel afraid of him. He has a new partner now and more children, something which wasn't possible when he was with me.

As to the poster who believes that her SIL was responsible for her brother's suicide, suicide is an awful thing to happen in any family, and looking for someone to blame is natural. But nobody is to blame for the choice someone makes to deliberately end their own life. If someone came on MN saying they had caused someone to commit suicide no-one would support that view. This of course doesn't cancel out the fact that the SIL had an affair, but the fact he committed suicide was his choice and his alone. nobody else is responsible for that. otherwise it could easily be used as a threat to keep someone in a relationship for instance, and who would support that if someone came on here saying "DH says if I leave him he will kill himself," people wouldn't be saying that she should stay with him. This is no different.

neonrainbow · 21/11/2016 17:39

It's terrible to blame someone having an affair for someone else taking their own life. I have every sympathy for you bubble on the loss of your brother but the only person who is responsible for your brother committing suicide is him.

ShebaShimmyShake · 21/11/2016 17:46

(Complete aside, but is anyone else finding this thread gone from their ThreadsImOn list?)

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/11/2016 18:44

No, still on mine, Sheba.

LunaJuna · 21/11/2016 19:33

Its nice to see that there's a debate in this threat and it's not everyone crucifying mrs sapphire as it could have been the case years ago.

I don't like this idea of personal vendetta and anger disguised as moral highness to justify telling partners or punching people

I'm not condoning affairs and I'm well aware of the pain it causes , but unfortunately they're here to stay and no one is 100% safe from being affected by it either as the "cheated" or even the "cheater"
I sometimes wonder if we should change our views of affairs and break its social stigma. Perhaps this would help the one on the receiving end by not making them feel like a failure and everyone could move on with dignity

divineinterruption · 21/11/2016 20:08

I'd imagine it's hard to move on when you have been utterly betrayed by someone you should have been able to trust completely. It's not so much the social stigma than the very raw and very human feelings that it brings up. If we can come up with something that numbs the feelings, then perhaps affairs might be easier to deal with.

redpeppersoup · 21/11/2016 20:38

I'll probably be flamed for this but it's very uncomfortable reading Bubble blaming her SIL for her brothers suicide. It's very tragic but the 'blame' cannot be laid at her door - your brother is responsible for his own actions.

ShebaShimmyShake · 21/11/2016 20:57

I don't condone affairs but I really don't think they are all created equal. Is the cold hearted tail chaser on Ashley Madison really equivalent to someone like GutInstinct? And is it really so morally superior, knowing nothing about a poster's background, to call them selfish and a cunt, like some earlier people did to Sapphire? An affair may be immoral, but is it a virtue to obstruct the course of justice as a result, like Looby advocates?

darkages · 21/11/2016 21:48

Agree Sheba and also redpepper - said similar earlier. Suicide is tragic and usually indication of mental health problems. Affairs never black and white. Awful for the cheated on - but not so straight forward as to say the cheater is always the villain. I can think of several situations where that wasn't the case (and several more where it was too).