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Support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh thread 3

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Lilacpink40 · 09/11/2016 18:57

Thred 3! Grin

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Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 14:01

Purple I doubt they will stop him seeing him altogether. I raised this concern with her, but as I have offered contact in the past and he chose not to accept it she seems to think they won't.

Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 14:19

I need one of you more sensible folks to just adopt me and adult on my behalf... I hate adulting!

Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 15:20

I've told him not to contact me and the phone calls with DS are stopping due to it confusing and upsetting him and he's already kicking off, telling me his friend recently committed suicide over not seeing his son. I'm the worst mother in the world apparently

nicenewdusters · 25/11/2016 16:36

Ohb My instinct is to agree with Purple. Let's pretend he's a reasonable adult, he's saying he wants contact and will do whatever it takes. You're understandably cautious given his outburst last time about the contact centre, and his subsequent disappearance. So, taking him at face value, and it's a year on, you're giving him a chance to start over. It may not be what he wants, but it's what your son needs, given his age, the lack of contact, and your ex's abusive behaviour towards you. So...

I would offer the indirect (?) then contact centre contact. If he kicks off, he's just proving he won't do "whatever" it takes. The sols letter will have told him not to contact you. So again, he's showing he can't be trusted to respect your requests, and that he is unreasonable. If he really believes a contact centre is for crackheads, then he can take you to court. I very much doubt he will, and if he does you've made all the right noises about facilitating contact with an angry, violent man who abandoned his baby son a year ago.

As for the friend who allegedly committed suicide because he couldn't see his son. Well, your ex could have seen his son but chose not to, so he's hardly in the same boat.

nicenewdusters · 25/11/2016 16:51

Greencar you have a very fertile imagination, the smudge of mud was like something out of Pride and Prejudice !

Well Grin HJM was here when I got back from work. We had quite a long chat. He was telling me something and said "......my Mrs, well, actually ex-Mrs...." then seemed a bit Confused as he carried on speaking. He also referred to something he'd said last week about the job, and hoped he hadn't been a bit opinionated and made me agree to something I didn't want to. He hadn't, which I told him.

He also offered to do something which you only do if you know someone is a single female. So, he does realise I'm single. I went a bit feminist and said Oh no, I'll be fine - what an idiot ?! So, the plot thickens, he'll be back next week at some point.

greencarbluecar · 25/11/2016 16:58

Ahem, I may have a tiny and lifelong problem with reading anything and everything. Including both classic trashy romance novels (and some sophisticated stuff too).

Saying no is easily solved though? "Oh you know how you said you could do x? Would that still be ok? I've realised it would actually be a big help"

(Why I can't I do this for my own relationships?!)

Oh I feel for you, I have similarly shit decisions to make. In your case I'd lean towards sending the letter offering indirect then supervised contact too, so you can show that you tried. Rest is up to him, and he has to behave for at least 12 weeks to get anything more.

It's so tough isn't it. Rock and hard place spring to mind Flowers

Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 17:16

I've sent her his messages, she's reccomended we offer no further contact 'at this time'

Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 17:36

Dusters back track! 'Oh actually it would be a really big help if you could X... if you wouldn't mind!' You could even accidentally put an X on the message see if it's reciprocated Wink

Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 19:12

I can't believe I've finally stood up to him. And for myself and my boy.

nicenewdusters · 25/11/2016 21:41

Ohb has your solicitor advised to offer no further contact at this time because of those messages ? Do you agree with her advice ?

PurpleThursday · 25/11/2016 22:30

OhB in my (inferior) opinion, I would offer it again then. In my limited experience Court just look at the 'highlights'. My X put all sorts of blatant lies on paper and I didn't even get an opportunity to defend. If you offered once months ago, he will probably have a bullshit version of events as to why he didn't take it up. If you offer twice, clearly, and he behaves in the same way his true colours become clearer.

Also, and this sucks, if he is going to eventually end up with contact it may be better to get it rolling along now on your terms. Slowly, and for you all to get used to it.

I don't get to see my DS for 6 full days out of 8 in our rota. It's hard for us all. It is just the way the 2 nights one week and 2 nights the following fall, and then him being at school. I know I have to suck it up and get used to it. Unfortunately. Disney Dad is also in full effect. Wonder how long that will last - we'll get through Xmas and I wonder if interest will start to faulter in Jan?

PurpleThursday · 25/11/2016 22:39

Dusters Did you get any more info from the mutual friend about HJM?

Ohb0llocks · 25/11/2016 23:53

Yes because of what he said in the messages, he's very intimidating which I want to protect DS against. I don't know whether to stop the letter and offer the contact though. Heads all over the place. I'm petrified of his reaction either way.

Ohb0llocks · 26/11/2016 00:26

I literally feel sick and so confused and worried about this letter going out. I just want this all to stop! It's not fair on my DS or me.

I feel like it needs to go to court but then I'm scared of him getting more contact than I would like, but at the same time I don't want him having unsupervised without a court order in place. If anything seeing the solicitor has made this even harder

Ohb0llocks · 26/11/2016 00:31

The letter says telephone contact to stop due to this being distressing for DS, and due to his intimidating nature I wish to offer no further contact at this time.

Lilacpink40 · 26/11/2016 10:17

Ohb this sounds like a very stressful time. Only you know the right decision for you and your family. Now the letter has gone out try to let go of doubt and go with this. See how he responds. If he's childish it proves he should have contact. If he's mature he'll wait and communicate to show he's changed.

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Lilacpink40 · 26/11/2016 10:19

I predict the former!

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Ohb0llocks · 26/11/2016 10:19

I'm just scared of him
Thinking right I'll take her to court and then getting something like every weekend or 50:50!

Lilacpink40 · 26/11/2016 10:29

Childish = no contact I meant!

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PurpleThursday · 26/11/2016 10:33

Sorry - I hadn't read the update when I put up my last point. Lilac's right, it's decided now so just go with that decision.

It is an impossible choice. There is no 'right' one. I am in a different place at the moment to give advice as I have only just done Court. Am in the middle of the emotional fallout and £5k worse off. It didn't go as I thought it would - I guess you could say they were 'fair' in that they went down the middle of most proposals. They didn't take into account any existing proposals or Mediated agreements or my child's wishes which surprised me. It was just impressed upon me that they put the children's needs first and don't care about dynamics of parents relationship and unless there are serious abuse issues they will order a 'fair' contact arrangement.

OhB all we know is that we can't do right with these type of men.

The only thing I can think to suggest is to perhaps hold all letter for this week if poss and arrange a free appointment with a different solicitor and explain to them. See if they have a different angle or push you towards same no contact. I have lost my faith in Solicitors/legal system a bit so I think I would have shopped around a bit more for solicitors in the beginning if I had the time or energy.

Don't worry, whatever happens we will get you through!

Ohb0llocks · 26/11/2016 10:52

I've just emailed them and left a voicemail for a callback first thing Monday.

They aren't open today and the letter was drafted after their post has already gone yesterday so hopping it hasn't been sent.

I've emailed saying do not send any letters yet I need some time to make a decision and don't want to make a hasty one based on an argument.

PurpleThursday · 26/11/2016 11:07

I think that's a good idea OhB. Whichever way you jump you need to be sure as this is going to have consequences one way or another.

Is there another solicitor you can get a free consultation with and ask.

If they lean the same way I think that would help you to feel reassured which way is best?

I know it is a pain to organise/go through but it is worth it for your peace of mind and the future battles ahead I think

BrewCake

Ohb0llocks · 26/11/2016 11:17

She is the best in my area purple, she's very involved with the local DV charities, won lawyer of the year etc. We originally were going to offer the contact but the amount of abuse he gave me yesterday was ridiculous. Saying I'm doing this because I'm bitter and still harbouring feelings for him (I'm engaged and possibly expecting a child with someone else - definitely not bitter)

Just wish it was bloody easier. He's already proven he is acting in DS best interests. He said yesterday that because I was stopping phone contact as it was upsetting DS that when he gets him overnight he won't have phone contact with me and he will 'just say that it's upsetting him' Sad

PurpleThursday · 26/11/2016 14:03

Arggghhhhhh! No sign of Buttermint tea in Waitrose!!! Angry

nicenewdusters · 26/11/2016 14:55

I agree to hold fire on the letter Ohb. He's been trying to rush you all along. You take all the time you need. My instinct when you first posted was to tell him to take a running jump. But, learning about Purple, Frog, and ddrmum's experiences in court I think you do need to play the long game. If you can get a second opinion from another solicitor that may put your mind at rest or make you take a different route.

As for his abuse towards you. Are you still speaking to him on the phone? I assume not, you really don't have to listen to his crap. If it's all texts, can your OH read them before saving and passing them on to the solicitor ? You don't want or need this nastiness in your mind.

As for him saying he won't let DS phone you when he has him overnight. For starters, he doesn't have that, so it's an empty threat. And he doesn't have ds's best interests at heart. The calls are upsetting ds because his dad is a stranger to him - because he chose to sod off for a year. He wouldn't be upset speaking to you (apart from the fact that he'd be missing you) because you've probably spent virtually every day of your life with him. Your ex's logic is non-existent.

I still haven't given twat my new number. Because he's still refusing to sign that bloody form I didn't rush back from my friends (2 minutes drive away). My dd phoned me and said we're waiting outside the house. I said loudly, don't leave daddy drive off and leave you again Grin. He didn't, and if he did try to text me afterwards it's floating in the ether somewhere.

Purple I did mention HJM to my friend. She knew him a bit but only through work. She said he was nice, and he seems to know quite a lot of people locally. We got on to other subjects, and it was never the right time to mention it again. General impression was that he was a good bloke though. Sorry you're experiencing a Buttermint tea drought!

Lilac how was the date last night ? Have I missed an update ?

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