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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 21/10/2016 04:13

11.10 pm and he's still not back. I saw in a WhatsApp video a friend posted he's at their house, but hasn't had the consideration to tell me where he is since 5 pm.

I rung him about half hour ago and got no response. Just going to leave it now. I love him but I don't bloody like him right now, these are bullshit games. God I'm homesick and fed up of it all right now.

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Sithee · 21/10/2016 05:19

That's not on OP. What an arse he is being about this.

TallulahTheTiger · 21/10/2016 06:24

Definitely not on OP. May be projecting here, but wonder if he is using 'learned behaviours' from his mum to emotionally manipulate you? Ie don't play my way I'll sulk and emotionally remove myself?

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 21/10/2016 06:43

He's back. We talked but didn't achieve anything, he just keeps talking about hopelessness. I'll post properly tomorrow it's nearly 2 am here.

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MagikarpetRide · 21/10/2016 06:45

Although there seems to be more issues going on here, what I've found useful when the flying monkeys have been about trying to get me to talk to my sister is very calmly saying 'I'm not prepared to do that until she is ready to apologise for x, i will and have accepted my reactions were not great but until she apologises then there's nothing to stop this happening again'. It has thoroughly put the ball back in her court and she isn't willing to do it because it means she will have to admit the truth. Which is great because tbh I don't want anything to do with her.

Is there anything you can do with mil. For instance she needs to personally apologise for the comments she made regarding your abuse before you'll even consider it.

MagikarpetRide · 21/10/2016 06:47

Cross posted. Sounds like your dh could do with some help himself. Could you look into some couples therapy?

ParForTheCourses · 21/10/2016 06:53

Sounds like your dh is a bit manipulative himself to play games using ignoring and silent treatment like that. He certainly is hopeless.

Op you are doing the right thing and a part of your husband obviously knows that if he agrees but he needs counselling to break out of the fog.

OliviaStabler · 21/10/2016 07:44

I disagree with those saying that you should see her at Christmas. You are a thorn in her side op, she has everyone else in her life doing what she wants except you. Given all she has done, she will not let that go. If anyone thinks she will not at least make several sly digs at you if not a full blown hissy fit, then I think they are very much mistaken.

I am sorry to be blunt but I think your marriage is in trouble. Your dh seems to care more about his mother than you. He has had a lifetime of bending to her will and I think this Christmas will bring things to a head. He needs to back you fully and at least try to get some help around his relationship with his mother. If he does not then I worry for your future together because the person who will be first in his life will not be you, but her.

You've been through so much, you need to be good to yourself and protect yourself.

Good luck Flowers

FrancisCrawford · 21/10/2016 07:57

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Cucumber5 · 21/10/2016 08:03

If you were in a better place (had got past the bitterness and anger) then I would suggest meeting up for a couple of hours. That way it's limited but a huge step. Do not meet with her if you can't control your emotions and decide to scream at her.

Cucumber5 · 21/10/2016 08:04

I see there are lots more pages!!

TallulahTheTiger · 21/10/2016 08:07

I sadly think whatever happens you will be the 'baddy'

  • go and argue- you 'started it' are mean.
  • don't go- you are mean and wanted to be friends
-go and have LC- you are rude and ignoring Her!!
Naicehamshop · 21/10/2016 08:17

Don't go op. Your mental health is being compromised by his family - these awful issues are not of your making but you are the one taking all the crap.

Absolutely stand firm - you are not going to go and have your Christmas ruined by her vile behaviour and his weakness.

I wonder if in the long term it might help him if you go nc? Maybe deep down he would be glad to do the same but just doesn't dare... yet.

You need to protect and prioritise your own hard won emotional health. Good luck. Flowers

Whocansay · 21/10/2016 08:26

If he felt that 'hopeless' and was that troubled he'd have been trying to sort it out with you, rather than being out with his mate.

He's not burying his head in the sand, he's trying to manipulate you. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Alwayschanging1 · 21/10/2016 09:56

Completely agree with Whocansay.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 21/10/2016 10:13

One thing in your posts struck me - your DH "just wants everyone to be happy". What he's failing to see is that his mother won't be happy until she has broken you, or split you up.
You should maybe ask him if he's prepared for things to go that far for her to "be happy" again - because that's how far it's going to have to go.

See how that strikes him.

If he really can't see that his mother is never going to accept you and be nice to you, then you've got more problems to come - because he's never going to truly "have your back".

Yes he's scared of her, that's obvious - but this is how he's been conditioned to live.

His dream of the "perfect family Christmas" is just so much pie in the sky - never going to happen unless you become someone you're not. Because that's the only way his mother would be happy (and even then it's debatable). So he needs to accept that things just are NOT going to happen in Hollywood style, and either see his mother on his own, or not see her at all (very unlikely).

In your shoes, I would not see her.

ISpeakJive · 21/10/2016 10:33

He's stepped his game playing up a notch because you aren't bending to his will.
He feels "hopelessness" because he isn't getting what he wants

This ^!
This is emotional blackmail and something his mum does too.

SeaEagleFeather · 21/10/2016 11:02

He might be too afraid to face the OP. he's caught between two women each of whom want him to make them the priority. Ofc, his loyalty should be to his wife!!

He's got to man up though and face it and make a choice, though he might need time. If he carries on putting his head in the sand, he's choosing for his mother.

Op, Im sorry but I think you have to start to live for yourself now and put yourself first. Until he can develop some spine, you are going to come third on his list of priorities (his mother, himself then you).

Some men come through this, some men don't. It's not hopeless, but -he- has to face reality.

ReySkywalker · 21/10/2016 11:04

Sorry OP, your husband is terrified of displeasing his mother, the need to placate her so she won't be angry at him is deeply ingrained in his psyche.

It's almost like he wants you there's as a buffer otherwise the abuse will turn to him? Why doesn't he want you together if it's likely tomcause an argument?

He prob doesn't realise he's manipulating you, he wants to placate her above all else but to him this want I see translatedto 'having everyone together'

Tell him that if you go to spend time with her, at the beginnings he has to stand with you, look her in the eye and say something like 'mum we're happy t see you but from now on you have to treat op respectfully'

That will terrify him and if bet he won't want you to go after all

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 21/10/2016 14:07

Last night he spoke about feeling forced into making a choice between us. I told him I think it's very sad he feels that he either has to not see her or get a divorce. I pointed out that I have never stopped him from having a relationship with his parents.

He's refusing to consider therapy. I am very sad today.

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AcrossthePond55 · 21/10/2016 14:27

One of the golden rules of counseling is that if your partner won't go, you go anyway. You need clarity, validation, and you need tools to deal with this. All of which a counselor can supply without him being there.

To a certain extent he is being 'asked to choose'. But since it's his mother that's the problem, in actuality SHE is the one who is forcing the decision, not you. Her manipulative nastiness is the 'cause' that is provoking the 'effect' of you refusing to be treated badly by her. And in his own way, he is doing the same thing that she does. 'Sadness', 'hopelessness', 'forcing him'; these are all the same games his mother plays.

You really have a lot to think about, lovely. More than just his mother's treatment of you but his as well. Do you really want to spend your marriage being emotionally manipulated? He probably doesn't even realize he's doing it, but he's trying to train you in the same way his mother trained him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/10/2016 14:28

He is well and truly enmeshed with his mother

The following may be helpful to you and he if he wants to read it:-
narcissismschild.com/2015/03/16/the-consequences-of-enmeshment/

Has he actually told you the reasons why he is refusing therapy?.

ParForTheCourses · 21/10/2016 14:39

He is being forced by his mother's actions. He is trying to force you to be treated badly. He sounds like he has a lot of her in him.

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 21/10/2016 14:42

He said he sees no point as it won't produce a solution to the problem of me not wanting to be in the same room as her. I love him so much and I gave up a job I loved to come and live out here, but I'm so hurt and angry with him today. It's shitty behaviour.

He slept on the sofa last night and is wfh today so let's see what reception I get when I go out there...

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 21/10/2016 14:49

Btw I will read the links people have kindly provided, thank you. Some of my relatives are coming to visit today and I am cleaning/getting ready to put on a happy face... But I'm still here

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