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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
VodkaLimeSoda27 · 13/06/2017 21:20

Thank you Spade Smile

They aren't pressuring me, though I know they would love for us both to come. I think in their minds they are taking away the option to do what's easiest for him in the moment, which is give in to MIL and not put my needs first. I hope we get to a good place in therapy where he chooses to make me his priority in this and everything else. If not, he knows I've had enough.

Absofrigginlootly · 13/06/2017 22:31

I hope we get to a good place in therapy where he chooses to make me his priority in this and everything else. If not, he knows I've had enough

Write that down and keep it somewhere you can look at it from time to time. It sums up everything. (And don't have DC with him until he does!)

Good luck

JaneAustenFanClub · 19/06/2017 23:32

I wanted to wish you good luck. My DH has a narcissistic, emotionally abusive mother and it took some very poor behaviour from her towards our children before he started to realise what she was like. The realisation was very hard for him though - he had a breakdown and it took a couple of years and lots of therapy before he could cope properly again. He is much happier now as we are NC with her and he feels finally free. So it is possible for people to move on but it has been a long and difficult process for us.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 21/06/2017 06:23

How are you guys doing Vodka?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 21/06/2017 13:33

Hi, we are doing ok. MIL not at the forefront right now- things with work have gone really bad. My coworker made really discriminatory comments last week about other colleagues (and called me fat...) So I've had enough and I'm leaving. I've made a complaint to the recruiter, they are investigating and I'm resigning as soon as I I get the go ahead. DH backing me all the way and has been great.

Thank you JaneAusten I'm glad your DH finally feels free. Hope mine does too one day in the not too distant future.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 21/06/2017 14:05

Argh, that's horrible. Best out of there if no one is willing to do anything about him slimy git

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 30/06/2017 14:28

You've made it to the end of June! How are things (workwise and with DH/MIL)?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 30/07/2017 01:49

Hello all. I haven't updated for a while, not a tremendous amount to say but things are positive.

The therapy has been going well, we're definitely communicating better. DH has had a couple of moments lately when he's said how he's not sure that he even wants to maintain a relationship with MIL as he knows she will choose to overstep the boundaries laid out clearly for her (something we were asked to do in therapy).

I've made it clear it's his choice whatever he decides to do about MIL, but I won't be allowing her to make me miserable any more. Definitely feel less emotional about the whole situation now; she has chosen her path and I cannot change that. I can only control how I feel. We won't be having therapy for a while as I have an injury I'm on crutches for and my mobility isn't great, then a holiday in a few weeks. However, we'll definitely be resuming- it's helping.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 13/08/2017 01:16

Quick update- MIL sent DH ranty messages about some supposed infraction that made her feel not in control. He hasn't spoken to her since (it was a few weeks ago) and doesn't appear to have any plans to do so.

He didn't bother to open the last message and says she'll never change. He's right, she won't. He spoke to another close relative earlier and told them what happened. They told him that he needs to make his own life and decisions, so the pressure we've seen in the past from people to make peace at any cost seems to have been

So I don't quite know where this is going. We're happy together. I know this is bothering him but he seems to be dealing with it ok at the moment.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 13/08/2017 01:17

*seems to have been dropped! Sorry, typo Blush

ohfourfoxache · 13/08/2017 01:39

Bloody hell, she doesn't like not being in control, does she?

What did the message say? Was any of her venom directed at you?

I think you need to sit tight and weather this particular storm. It might just be the event to turn everything around.

How did your last wee while go in the job?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 13/08/2017 02:24

No, she doesn't! I'm not sure if it was directed at me. She was angry because we moved to a new place a little early and DH didn't tell her, not that it's any of her business where we live anyway!

He said he only skimmed it through once when he got them and isn't interested in reading them again (reading between the lines, I'm sure she did criticise me).

I am sitting tight and not saying much really. Her need to control speaks for itself and he's waking up.

I was very glad to leave that job, it was making me terribly unhappy. I never got chance to get another as I fractured my foot a few weeks ago and am only just starting to hobble around! So really MIL and her drama hasn't been top of either of our priorities.

TheWorldIsMyCakePop · 13/08/2017 06:38

Hey, I'm glad to hear from you. Sorry that you've got a sore foot and that she's still causing drama. So pleased to hear that the therapy is going well and DH is waking up to the truth.

WhateverNameIsStillAvailable · 13/08/2017 10:43

I'm glad he finally seems to have opened his eyes.
Keep going with the therapy as soon as you can especially in regards to Christmas 😊
So happy for you.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/10/2017 13:59

Hi all, quick update. Therapy going well and things are good between DH and I. He is back in contact with MIL, who still thinks she's being 'victimised'. Makes me laugh really when I think about what she has put us through!

She has no insight into her behaviour at all. Her latest call included more grandchildren ranting and a moan that people were running her down on my hen do. So I have a snake in the grass somewhere. She is still getting people to spy on my Facebook page. I'm occasionally posting outrageous stuff in a jokey way to see what gets back to her. Childish, yes, but after all this I need a bloody laugh.

DH is handling her much better and shutting her down when she starts to criticize me. We are getting an Airbnb for some of our trip back, which is now fast approaching. While I'm not allowing myself to think this Christmas will be sunshine and roses, I am hopeful it will be better than the last Smile

DPotter · 20/10/2017 18:45

Good to hear from you - pleased the therapy is going well.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 20/10/2017 21:41

Thanks DPotter Smile

midnightmisssuki · 20/10/2017 22:41

I've read you thread and can sympathise - we were NC with my in-laws for seven years, they didn't even turn up to our wedding. After i gave birth, they manipulated the joyous occasion and used it to 'forget the past'. I was weak and just gave in. One of the worst mistakes of my life.

Glad you are sorting it all out OP. Hope your husband feels better about the situation soon.

ohfourfoxache · 21/10/2017 01:15

Vodka! Brilliant to see your update - I was thinking about you just a few days ago

I'm really, really glad that he has taken to shutting her down. Do you think, though, that he will have progressed sufficiently in therapy to allow him to be strong when he sees her face to face? I really hope that he is strong enough.

How are doing? Are you enjoying life any more now than you were?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 21/10/2017 01:21

That sounds like a nightmare, midnight 😞

Hey fox, good to see you again 😊 I'm doing ok. Not perfect but putting one foot in front of the other, you know?

DH has done a lot of work to get to where he is now, and I've got to say it for him he's embraced therapy wholeheartedly. He was always a bit dubious about it before but now says how much it has helped him.

I really hope he's strong enough too. She seems to have less hold on him; I think that's partly because he has chosen to distance himself from her. I obviously don't know what's going to happen when he sees her and she picks a fight but I have much more confidence in him now. We've talked a lot in therapy about how I'm his number one priority, and she will have to deal with that or not be in his life.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 03/12/2017 14:05

Hello! Back on the going home for Christmas train (well, plane)

So, heard nothing about MIL for a while. DH and I agreed in therapy that we would have a short meeting with her over Christmas, and he had already laid out the boundaries that we expected her to maintain to her. Fine- I don't want to see her, but I'm happy to do what the therapist asks.

Well, the night before we went on holiday DH received a message from FIL. I don't know the exact contents, but the gist was while I am 'welcome in their home' they have a long list of grievances against me. This seems to mostly consist of not going on their cruise they invited me on and snubbing them. No insight into why this might be the case. So we've agreed that this meeting can't go ahead now.

DH only told me after we got back from our holiday as he didn't want me to stress over it instead of having fun. At first I was Hmm but now I really appreciate that. So, nearly two weeks have gone by and he hasn't replied. It sounds as if the email is for me to read too but we agreed it wasn't a good idea. What's the point in stoking my anger at them up further?

DH has been avoiding replying but plans to today, as he's getting follow up messages asking why there has been no response. So we'll see what happens there, but he's in no mood to roll over and take shit from them.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/12/2017 15:58

Vodka

re your comment:-

"DH and I agreed in therapy that we would have a short meeting with her over Christmas, and he had already laid out the boundaries that we expected her to maintain to her. Fine- I don't want to see her, but I'm happy to do what the therapist asks".

Was wondering how you were getting on.

Think your therapist does not actually realise just how abusive your DHs parents actually are. If the therapist suggested such a meeting then that person made a mistake; such a meeting would have never worked out anyway. You cannot reason with the dysfunctional. This is because they have not changed at all over the intervening years and will not do so now for anyone. Thankfully you write there will be no such meeting taking place now.

Was not at all surprised to see that your FIL sent the initial message on her behalf; after all women like your DHs mother always but always need a willing enabler to help them. He is really her hatchet man here and cannot be at all relied upon either.

Disordered of thinking people like his mother do not ever respect boundaries and will attempt to ride roughshod over them (hence her repeated requests for a response). She will keep on at him till she gets a response; I would now block her communications and not reply (this simply gives her an "in" to bother you even more). It does neither of you any favours to receive such from her. I hope he is seeing properly now that any inertia when it comes to them is simply hurting him as well as you.

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 03/12/2017 17:12

Totally agree with Attila.
These people bring no value into your life and best you leave them behind.
You are your husband are doing the hard yards to keep them away, don't let anyone guilt trip you into them being apart of your life.

The best for you is No Contact and keep it that way.

Enjoy your up coming holidays Op

ohfourfoxache · 03/12/2017 17:30

Hey Vodka Thanks

I also agree with Attila - I can’t see how a meeting would EVER be a good idea.

Can you/dh just not respond at all, regardless of follow up texts/emails? It would help to 1) keep your stress levels down, and 2) piss them off even more.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 03/12/2017 20:18

I agree it's pointless to respond. I know he wants to defend me, but tbh I wish he would just disengage from the bullshit and not bother. He seems determined to reply so I'm just going to get him get on with it for now. Definitely going for the showing not telling approach.

After all as he said himself, they'll never change, will they? I do feel sorry for him, they're determined to get their claws into him as well as me.