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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

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madgingermunchkin · 19/10/2016 17:59

Tbh, if I were you, I would go and make nice. Because at least then, you can say to him "I did what you wanted, you had us both in the same room and look how it ended. Unless her behaviour changes, it won't be happening again."

I know it means that you have to grit your teeth and just get through it for the day, but at least then he can no longer bury his head.

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:59

Thank you mysecretgarden. I haven't always felt that I was worth anything but I do more now. She is a very unhappy woman and part of me feels pity for her, as she never seems to be satisfied with anything. She has also had a lot of health issues.

People have tried to use these reasons to get me to feel sorry enough to forgive her and carry on like nothing happened but I feel like I wouldn't be being true to myself.

God knows what it's going to be like when we hopefully have DC. Want to start TTC in a couple of years when we are back in Europe but just know there will be more issues Sad

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Mysecretgarden · 19/10/2016 18:02

Take one day at a time. And mums net will hopefully still be here.

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 18:02

I hear you madgingermunchkin but unfortunately I did all that last Christmas/until the end of Jan. I went and made nice and this happened.

I did! She was so incoherent by then I don't think she even understood what we were saying. I asked her to think about DH when she said she wouldn't come and she said she didn't care Angry

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 18:04

Thank you. Even though I don't have DC yet, reading and occasionally posting here has kept me sane sometimes in the last few tears

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 18:08

Tears?! Sorry years, freudian slip there if there ever was one

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madgingermunchkin · 19/10/2016 18:34

I know, I know you've had to do it before. And I know that you are also homesick and missing your family, but I think that in his mind, she is going to be so happy to have him back and it's going to be one of those magically "everything's so wonderful, we're all so happy" picture pefect Christmases. And I think that the reality of what it will really be will bring him crashing back to earth and finally be the wake up call he needs to stop burying his head in the sand.

I feel your pain though, and you have my full sympathy. Have been there and got that Tshirt. It's bloody painful.

Sgoinneal · 19/10/2016 18:38

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 18:41

Perhaps you're right. He is a terrible one for burying his head in the sand (or in work) when he can't cope. He certainly isn't accepting this in a realistic way. I just don't want to fuck up everyone else's Christmas by having the row to end all rows with her. And after everything that has happened, I cannot trust myself to keep my temper with her. Which is my failing, I know. I kept my mouth shut for so many years and it's like I've forgotten how to!

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YokoUhOh · 19/10/2016 18:51

OP your MIL is horrendous.

She honestly sounds like she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You are in for a rough ride until you completely cut her out of the picture. When/if you have children, she will get much, much worse.

Your DH is terrified of this awful woman; would he be open to counselling to get over the FOG?

YokoUhOh · 19/10/2016 18:51

PS things are bound to kick off at Christmas

Mysecretgarden · 19/10/2016 18:54

He is in complete denial, if you go record her.(dictaphone?) Replay when he ask you to go back

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 19:00

NPD sounds about right. I've read about it quite extensively and she definitely displays some of the behaviours. I would think about recording but tbh I've said to him that under no circumstances will I be having any talks with her alone. If this shitshow has to happen, it needs to be in a room full of people so I can say as little as possible to her and have lots of witnesses if it all goes to pot.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/10/2016 19:15

I would not be meeting his mother under any circumstances Christmas or not.

It is not possible to have a relationship with a narcissist.

You have felt some pity for her because you are a kind person; she sees such as weakness to exploit. She has shown you no consideration whatsoever nor has she shown any compassion towards you. Its all about her. Its not your fault she is like this; you did not make her this way. Her own family of origin did that.

You must maintain boundaries and be consistent with keeping them; you are really under no obligation whatsoever to see his mother despite your DH wanting you to do so. Spend Christmas with people who truly appreciate you instead.

Why is he so desperate to have you both in the same room at Christmas?. Has he explained why?. If he wants to see her narcissistic rage against you he will have come to the right place and he will not be able to defend you against her either. Narcissists like his mother are past masters of, "come closer so I can hurt you again". Do not wander into that lion's den.

Your DH is well mired in FOG (fear, guilt and obligation) when it comes to his mother and his own inertia is hurting him as well as you. Your DHs primary loyalty is to you now or should be; his mother should really be of secondary importance.

You do not mention his dad in all this, where is he now?.

If you do go onto become parents you will need to keep any children well away from his mother. She was not a good parent to him and she will more likely than not be an awful version of a grandmother to your children. Please do not subject them to his mother at all.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/10/2016 19:20

DG,

re this part of an earlier comment:-

"People have tried to use these reasons to get me to feel sorry enough to forgive her and carry on like nothing happened but I feel like I wouldn't be being true to myself"

Correct. Always be true to yourself. Also they have not really seen the full on version of his mother either.

These people who say forgive and such other guff are the flying monkeys; people manipulated by your mother to do her bidding. They are not your friends and do not act in your best interests. The way to deal with such people is as follows:-

Listen" to Flying Monkeys. Don't react. Then ask if they feel strongly about this. When they agree, point out they reached this conclusion without asking about your needs, so you aren't interested in what they have to say. End conversation.

Your DH is ultimately going to have to stop burying his head in the sand.

Pickled0nions · 19/10/2016 19:26

Girl I have been where you are and what I will tell you is your MIL is a full blown narcissist.
She will never change, no matter what PP have said to you.

She will continue to wreak havoc on your marriage she will continue to manipulate and abuse her entire family. And she is out to get you. She doesn't like you because you've taken her narcissistic supply away from her - her son.

Your DH is suffering from FOG - Fear Obligation and Guilt. He is conditioned to pander to her for fear he will become the scapegoat if he doesn't

Let him choose his relationships. But you tell him you want no contact. There will be no sitting in front of the fire at xmas as a big family. Figure something out and save your sanity.

Good luck.

Pickled0nions · 19/10/2016 19:34

Basically what we are saying to you is, start learning to say NO, very firmly.

Create those boundaries and consider your own feelings. Do not drag your knees and elbows through glass to try to accommodate her. Nor your husband.
Your DH has allowed you to go through the same treatment of abuse that he has. He doesn't realise it, because you have said yes all along. This is normal for him, his mothers behaviour is normal to him. It's what he grew up with.

Matchstickbox · 19/10/2016 20:10

I'm sorry I haven't any advice. Just to say your MiL sounds so similar to mine in behaviour, jealousy and attitude and I feel for you.

Couldashouldawoulda · 19/10/2016 20:25

Goodness. I don't think you should agree to stay at her house under any circumstances, so you can leave if things deteriorate. Maybe lunch, with other people there too. Don't have a drink, so you're completely on the ball. Just make sure you aren't alone with her at any point. It'll be strained, but you'll get through it.

Whocansay · 19/10/2016 20:28

So when your MIL was behaving like this, what did your DH do about it then? I understand he was away for some of this time, but not all. Some of the things she's said and done are unforgivable. Why isn't he putting pressure on her to apologise to you? Why is he making it your responsibility?

And it sounds like he is using emotional blackmail against you, just like his mother.

I would make your own plans and tell him what you are doing. He hasn't supported you before, so he has to step up now. You need to draw a line in the sand on this. I certainly wouldn't tolerate sharing air with his mother if she'd behaved like that to me.

Cloudylemons · 19/10/2016 20:55

Exactly what PickledOnions says, sadly. You may as well accept it now, I don't think the situation will change. Sorry op.

fc301 · 19/10/2016 21:44

Pickled onion is spot on.
Try to step back from this and take a reasoned view (difficult I know as you are understandably v upset). Facts are these:
She's a massive narcissist. She doesn't care about ANYONE but herself. This is emotional abuse. As such your DH could prob do with some therapy, certainly reading about narcissists. Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.
Given your history you also need professional help as you are ill equipped to deal with more abuse.
Boundaries are essential. If she rejects these you go NC for your own sanity.
On the upside you win. You have DH and you live on another continent!

DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 22:09

DH has only really opened his eyes to what she is capable of since we got married, and even now he says 'this isn't the mum I know'. He thinks she is having trouble going through the menopause or having MH issues- I have pointed out what this wouldn't give her an excuse to behave so badly. He is desperate to find a reason why she is behaving this way. He hasn't supported me well in the past out of denial/fear of the consequences, and is well aware of this. He knows that I won't be tolerating that anymore.

His DDad is ineffectual on this matter. They have a tumultuous marriage, and from what I gather he supports me on certain points but is choosing an easy life.

I know she's a massive narc and will continue in these patterns of behaviour. It's just so hard when my DH says things like I don't know how I'm going to live the rest of my life like this, or I haven't got any hope. He isn't the kind to make those kind of dramatic statements at all. I have suggested therapy before and will try and speak to him about it again- he is procrastinating/ignoring that option at the moment so he doesn't have to face the problem

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 22:11

I know that if there is any contact, and that's a big if there will need to be boundaries. I'm not good at this because of my past. I find it easier to be a people-pleaser or get really angry, which is no good. I don't even know where to start thinking about boundaries.

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