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MIL no-contact, DH sad, what to do?

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DilapidatedGlamourpuss · 19/10/2016 17:17

This is going to be long, and MIL related. Sorry. I just don’t know what to do, and I don’t want to dripfeed. This is so identifying to anyone who knows me but I don’t even care anymore.

I’ve been with my DH since we were 18 (we met at uni), and we married this year. We are in our late twenties. We relocated earlier this year for his job to the US. Our relationship is mostly great and we are very happy together. There’s one problem, my MIL. We are now completely estranged and its breaking my DH’s heart. We are due to go home for Christmas and I have no idea what we’re going to do.

I’ve always felt that MIL has disapproved of me, and we have clashed over the years when I have refused to toe the party line like the rest of the family. Everyone does what she says, because if they don’t she cries, or is ill, or starts an almighty row. I’m not used to such a manipulative dynamic in my own family, and it made me very wary of her.

Whatever we did wasn’t the right thing. Jobs, where we chose to live, the fact we hadn’t bought a property by 25, our friends, the fact that I have had MH problems and have had some time out of work over the last few years due to ill health.

When I was 19 and disclosed that I had been abused she asked whether I had been tested for STIs, as she didn’t want me to pass anything on to her son. I was going through the ordeal of seeing the case go to trial, giving evidence in court and watching it be plastered all over the national news at the time. It made me feel so ashamed and dirty and I have never forgotten it. She tried to persuade my DH to leave me at the time, something he let slip. I let it go then, as I was grateful she hadn’t thrown me out of their home for my disclosure. I have come a long way since then.

Over the years, I veered between avoiding her and trying to be accepting of her personality, out of love for my then DP. There were times when we got on better, even though I still felt the underlying disapproval. So, last year we got engaged and planned a wedding very quickly as we wanted to move to the US. We would have got married in the following 18 months-2 years, but we had been given this opportunity of a lifetime and to be together needed to be married. And that’s where the trouble began.

She ruined our engagement party by crying and storming off when she found out we weren’t going to be married in church. She continually made digs about this, even though she knew I had been abused in a church setting and this was really triggering for me, which I explained to her. She goaded me into screaming at her and getting completely hysterical when we went round there by constant little digs about how what we were planning wasn’t good enough, because she didn’t have enough involvement. I tried to involve her in the beginning, but she wanted to entirely take over so I drew back.

In the interests of full disclosure, we asked her to make the cake as this is something she does as a hobby and is very good at. I thought it would be a good way to make her feel involved, but I think this was a mistake. They also offered money, which we accepted. This was also not a good idea - we were able to pay for the wedding but I think DH didn’t know how to not accept their offer. I did meet her and forgive her for the above, before Christmas. I made some compromises to try and make her happy – not having the humanist ceremony we really wanted and we tried to accommodate them with the food.

My DH left for the US in January a few months before the wedding, so on the whole I had to plan it without him, but was running everything past him over Skype. I met her for coffee with my DMum, as I had a feeling she was going to create a scene or try and manipulate me, which is exactly what happened. What was meant to be a talk about wedding plans turned into her screaming that the wedding would be a shambles, it wouldn’t be real as it wasn’t a church wedding and that she wasn’t coming. In a shopping centre. It was so embarrassing and I was very upset. We tried to cut the scene short, and walked away. She followed, shouting at us. This is because I told her we would be getting married in another room than originally planned, because the guest list had gone up. She then sent me a very malicious text after. My DP was in the US, absolutely heartbroken and bewildered that she had said she wasn’t going to come.

To cut a very long story short, she came to the wedding and we managed to keep it civil. This was through various people in the DH’s family putting pressure on me to meet her and talk about it. Everyone is desperate to placate her all the time. After the wedding, I discovered she had tried to manipulate the wedding planner into changing the room, been horrible to my bridesmaids when they changed their dresses in the evening, ran our wedding down to anyone who would listen and had a massive row with her DSis because I met her for lunch. As far as I know, they still aren’t speaking.

After this, I decided I could have no contact with her. She made the run up to our wedding the most miserable time of my life, when it should have been happy. She does not understand why I won’t have anything to do with her, even though she has had it explained by various family members. My DP is desperate to have us in the same room at Christmas- we are both homesick and he is so sad that we are estranged, even though he is completely on the same page that what she has done is awful. She is still his Mum and he loves her, even though he doesn’t like her behaviour. I hate seeing him cry about this, but I’m still so angry with her I think meeting her would make it worse. I feel such hatred and bitterness towards her for everything that has happened over the years and I don't want to inflame the situation further by losing my temper.

So – does anyone have any idea where to go from here? If you got to the end of this congrats, it was long.

OP posts:
Joysmum · 16/05/2017 20:24

There's no debate, it's up to Vodka to decide for herself what's likely and what isn't. As you said, unfortunately she too has experience on abuse to draw on, the type of abuse isn't that relevant as it's the responses and resultant behaviour that's important.

I can't offer anything more to Vodka so I'll bow out now. I don't want to derail the thread or turn it into a bun fight.

Hopefully Vodka will talk things over with her parents, cherry pick possibilities that she thinks is a best fit, and come to see what's right for her.

Best of luck Vodka Flowers

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 16/05/2017 20:29

Thank you DeployGoats. I am struggling with that too right now (unfortunately my PTSD symptoms tend to rear their ugly head if I'm under a lot of stress) and it is something she has used against me. I don't remember if I mentioned it but she tried to get DH to leave me when she found out about it... Long time ago now but not something that leaves you in a hurry.

I really appreciate everyone's input though and am touched by you sharing your experiences so honestly, so thank you

We are being civil and warm with each other. Last night after a lot of tears we sat on the sofa with a takeaway and DH picked a film he downloaded because he knew it would make me laugh, and it did. After the film he said that he was sorry and that we would find a way to get through this together, and that he would do the therapy.

I'm not saying it makes everything ok. It doesn't. But as we agreed last night, we need to work together to make our marriage succeed.

I haven't ruled out going home for a while at all though, and he knows this. I'm feeling very worn down by it all.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 16/05/2017 20:31

And also, for everyone who has experienced any kind of sexual violence/abuse Flowers to you my fellow survivors, it's a bloody hard thing to deal with and I appreciate you sharing with me x

GinSwigmore · 16/05/2017 20:36

Ooh God what film? I could do with a laugh. Flowers

GinSwigmore · 16/05/2017 20:36

Sorry that should say Vod Blush

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 16/05/2017 20:42

You are obviously feeling fragile. What do you need to build back your strength?

DH had a cruise! How lovely for him, even with his parents giving him a hard time.

Meanwhile you were in bed, crying, barely cheered even with a McDonalds, being worn down further. Surely you need a break too?

It doesn't have to be about flouncing out because you are cross with him. More about you recharging your batteries elsewhere ready to work on the therapy with him now that the immediate pressure has gone with them away on a different continent again.

What would work for you?

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 16/05/2017 20:48

Glad you've talk and are on slightly better footing with each other. Hope the therapists call back soon so you can start the process.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 16/05/2017 20:50

Haha no worries Gin it's called Why Him. If you like looking at half naked James Franco and social awkwardness you'll love it.

Rabbit I do have a holiday booked in August to visit my parents in Greece but that is too far off. I do need to recharge and build my strength up again. I am pretty set on going home for a while before that. It's a bit awkward with work but tbh it's a contract, I hate it too so I'll just leave it if I have to.

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 16/05/2017 21:09

*talked ffs, clearly my brain doesn't work morning or evening.

Greece sounds good, but August is still ages away!

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 16/05/2017 21:21

Could you even manage a weekend away with some mates?

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 16/05/2017 21:26

Yes- and we have a bank holiday at the end of the month too, which will help. I'd like to get out of the city for a while! Feel like I never bloody leave

ohfourfoxache · 16/05/2017 22:35

I'm so glad he's still agreeing to therapy Vodka. I really, really hope he steps up to the plate, I really do.

Have you managed to find someone you're happy with? Have you got an appointment yet?

I'm so sorry your PTSD symptoms are troubling you. It's really shit when symptoms aren't under control, isn't it? (Mine is only depression, currently having a flare up and it's shit). Have you got any professional support to help you manage?

Hissy · 16/05/2017 23:01

Another20, am in total agreement 😊

JudeeLevinson · 17/05/2017 06:17

Fab to hear he's going to come to counselling with you. All I would say is try to find a counsellor that has experience in dealing with NPD, they should list their specialist areas on their website. Chat to a few on the phone. My counsellor was a daughter of a narcissistic mother herself, she just got me, and I really think unless you've been raised by a narc you couldn't totally understand. It is like growing up in a cult.

Hang in there love, it ain't over until the fat lady sings. Flowers

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 17/05/2017 11:13

Just to say I'm thinking of you. Are you back at work?

Spadequeen · 17/05/2017 15:45

I really hope that he is sorry and will actually follow through this time. All the best to you vodka

Porpoises · 17/05/2017 19:46

Want to chime in as another survivor of childhood verbal and to some extent physical abuse from my mother.

When you start to realise, it completely floors you. You can't think straight. I had suicidal thoughts, and my therapist told me that is not unusual. Because your whole life you have learnt to twist your brain to allow you not to see the truth, because this is the only way to be safe as a child. And because children are programmed to love their parents, even if they are severely abusive.

Vodka, it is ok to put your boundaries wherever they need to be. I would never want my partner to accept bad behaviour from me, whatever my issues. But i really hope that the therapy for him may be a turning point.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 19/05/2017 12:37

Hello all, I am still here. Had a really busy last few days and problems with my phone. Therapy to start next week and DH on board with it.

I agree that boundaries are integral and I hope that by going to therapy we can put these in place, and better understand each other.

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 19/05/2017 12:42

Oops posted too early!

I'm actually quite looking forward to going, even though I know the process is quite gruelling. I see it as working on our relationship to make it fit for purpose for the future. People are right, I do have a DH problem as well a MIL problem.

And the stress eating ends today. I've put on 5lbs in a week and I was already a stone over my healthy max BMI Blush

TheWorldHasGoneToCake · 19/05/2017 12:53

Well done darling. I'm sure that with all the walking you do, the weight will come off. Good luck for the therapy session. Don't be surprised if you just sit and sob through it (I did Blush)

Hushabyelullaby · 19/05/2017 13:01

well done @VodkaLimeSoda27! I've followed from the beginning but not commented until now. It's great DH is on board with the counselling. I hope it goes well for you Flowers

another20 · 19/05/2017 13:45

That's great progress. Just to manage expectations - some therapists are not great so if the chemistry isn't good or you are aware that they are not meeting your needs make sure you move on and try someone else.

Coconut70 · 19/05/2017 13:50

good on you both! I had individual CBT and found it really validating when she asked had I thought mil might have a pd. even now when things are crazy it helps to have that prof outsiders opinion. is sil any use to talk to if she too has had problems with mil? here's to a calm few weeks and some regrouping with your DH xxxx

VodkaLimeSoda27 · 19/05/2017 13:53

Thank you all ❤ here's hoping the weight comes off quickly Cake! Summer here is super hot and it's harder when you're carrying extra lbs

Thank you Hush- if he backs out, he knows the consequences

Another, I definitely am mindful of that but thank you. I have had a therapist before I just didn't connect with and would now move on and find someone new that works for both of us.

The approach of the clinic sounds great though- their schtick is to find practical coping mechanisms for whatever brought you there. Which will definitely suit my DH and his way of thinking. I am looking to pursue my own therapy too, which will be more trauma-centred.

noova61 · 19/05/2017 15:47

Wishing you both much luck and love. xx