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support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh 2

954 replies

Lilacpink40 · 18/10/2016 18:14

Hope this works...

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ohforfoxsake · 03/11/2016 19:53

Homely, maybe it's a box it off job then? Grit your teeth and get through it. It'll be tough, but you will. There will ALWAYS be these times. That's what is so hard to reconcile. We have to equip ourselves with the tools to deal with them. I'm struggling today with what those tools actually are, but I think they exist we just need to work it out. And we do that as we go along I guess.

nicenewdusters · 03/11/2016 19:57

Hug him till your arms ache Chuckle. That's so awful, your poor son. Five is very young to articulate your emotions. I'm sure you have your suspicions as to where it's coming from. If your dd is older do you think she may be able to shed any light on this?

Lilacpink40 · 03/11/2016 19:57

Chuckle it's every normal parent's fear that their DC is seriously unhappy so really feeling for you Flowers

My youngest (6) has self-esteem issues and I find that he feels better if I agree with him, that he is feeling sad and that it's ok to feel sad, rather than trying to cheer him up. I really think it's hard for developing DCs to deal with separation, but ultimately they will do it with our help. Hugs for you!

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Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 19:58

Mine has just got back in touch after a year of no contact wanting to see DS. I have started a thread in chat shall I copy and paste?

Lilacpink40 · 03/11/2016 20:01

I've had 50:50 day. Five nasty txts off ex telling me I'm a bad mum, have delayed separation, have stolen his money etc...

Then met my date and I like him. Not at all my type, tall blonde and I go for average height and dark looks, but good chemistry.

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Fidelia · 03/11/2016 20:05

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Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 20:11

But how do we protect our children. My darling DS is just 2 and he's already seen enough. His dad wants to see him again and is acting reasonable. After previously saying he will try to turn DS against me and take him from me.

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Homely1 · 03/11/2016 20:37

Nice Fidelia

My ex came back too Ohb0llocks.....demanding

He's a shit.... I wish he were not coming to the party. I felt like I had to tell him as he'd get cross. I feel down as my solicitor said that I did not have to .,., but too late as I've asked him

nicenewdusters · 03/11/2016 20:43

OhFor - I get that, wanting them to see everything, to feel everything. My take on my situation is that if he was the kind of person who could do that, he wouldn't have behaved the way he did. If you can behave really badly, you're unlikely to be self-reflective, remorseful, etc. The normal rules don't apply to them because they don't act normally. So I don't apply a test of reasonableness, they're not reasonable.

So for me acceptance of the facts. Acceptance that they're other, different, wrong. Forgiveness is for myself, for not seeing things clearly, for hoping for the best, for seeing the best in people. No forgiveness for them. That would be like forgiving an apple for being a pear - it just doesn't have any relevance.

Homely - with the birthday party this year, to change things now would probably make things worse. Best foot forward, then next year, nothing. He can do his own thing.

Ohb0llocks welcome aboard. What does your ds think about his dad coming back into his life, or is he very young?

My dd just told me that twat won't be coming to an important event she has coming up. She dithered and said she hadn't really told him in time, and now he was doing something important and it was private, he couldn't tell her what.

I told her that was nonsense. She'd told me a couple of weeks ago he'd said it depends etc, so he did know about it. I said he was just disorganised and useless. And as for an important event, I asked her what could he possibly have to do more important than the event? She shrugged, and said she wasn't really bothered. I said I don't blame you, we'll all be there to support you. We then had fun making up different things he could be doing.

I know why he's not going. Cause I'll be there, amongst my friends and family, enjoying myself. Something he can't do. Tough luck twat.

Froginapan · 03/11/2016 20:47

In the spirit of 'acceptance' in whatever form it manifests itself:

Froginapan · 03/11/2016 20:48

And yes, the normal rules do not apply - they're not capable of following 'normal' nor 'rules'.

Lilacpink40 · 03/11/2016 21:01

I'm trying acceptance and ignoring. My ex seems to be getting more extreme to provoke a reaction though.

Ohb0llocks do you know why your ex has changed his mind? (GF left him?)
He sounds like nasty character. Try to get his nastiness recorded in emails to use in court.

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Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:02

DS is just 2, 3 in January. It would confuse him, I'm not sure what to do. I'm not sure how to link my thread below but a brief background is emotional abuse, break up September 2014, contact until 2015 sept, then nothing but abuse until now. He did request mediation in may but on the advice of my solicitor I refused. He was offered access in a contact centre in may but never responded to my solicitors letter. Asked him why earlier and he said 'my friend told me contact centres were for crackheads'

Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:03

He and his gf are still together. They live together with her DD who I think will be around 4 now.

Homely1 · 03/11/2016 21:05

Why contact now Oh?

Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:06

Absolutely no idea. He called out of the blue today.

Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:07

Said he didn't want to take the 'legal bullshit' route and had been filling in forms he didn't even understand. Not sure whether to take that with a pinch of salt.

Froginapan · 03/11/2016 21:08

OhB0llocks

That is such a blame-transferring excuse.

What a poor example of a father he is.

Froginapan · 03/11/2016 21:13

And 'legal bullshit route' can be translated as follows:

I'm a massive twat with a huge sense of entitlement. I have no intention of spending my money on a process where my shoddy character may well be exposed resulting in people who have power over me but are clearly less intelligent than me telling me what to do with the fruit of MY loins.

Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:15

Frog got it in one. Apart from he's unbelievably thick and he knows it. He told me earlier how 'DS must get his brains from his mummy'. I said well you clearly don't have enough to share so it's happen a good job!

Lilacpink40 · 03/11/2016 23:12

Narcs seem to have brain development in unhelpful areas that relate to selfishness, over-inflated self-worth, and neediness. It gives little room for consideration, compromise and empathy.

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Homely1 · 03/11/2016 23:15

So true Lilac

2012PP · 04/11/2016 06:54

FROG- I love the translation :

I'm a massive twat with a huge sense of entitlement. I have no intention of spending my money on a process where my shoddy character may well be exposed resulting in people who have power over me but are clearly less intelligent than me telling me what to do"

This is so so true.

CHUCKLE. Poor you & ds. That sounds hard for you both- hope today is better 🌻.

Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 08:37

Woke up thinking it was a dream Sad

I'm tying to be strong for my DS but I still don't know what to do. I don't want him to be manipulated into hating me when he's older so I darent out a foot wrong.