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support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh 2

954 replies

Lilacpink40 · 18/10/2016 18:14

Hope this works...

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2012PP · 31/10/2016 11:52

firstly - FROG - virtual hand holding and support - its so shit and i wish i wish i wish i could just wave a magic wand and make all these shit-heads disappear.

I've just had a "crap" moment .
x & I used to work together, so finances were inter-twinned (urgh).
tax year is april to apri and we split in May, so all good, we had just completed tax return for 2015-16.

i was checking my paperwork today and realised i have nothing for this tax year - no paperwork, email- nada/nothing.
i emailed accountant who says X gets nearly a grand refund and i have to pay over £300 by end of january 2017!
this is the 1st I've heard of it - x told me before it was all done and completed etc.. etc... etc... at that point i had no cause to think otherwise.

i earned less - i;m in total shock - how - how - I am so fucking stupid ! and livid and upset and cross and shocked and not shocked and really hurt and pissed off and everything.
i want to scream but I'm at work.
i can't concentrate.
i can't believe it.
i can believe it.
i am so glad i checked or i would have been in more shit after 31 jan.
life is so un-fair.

Lilacpink40 · 31/10/2016 12:29

2012 can you ask accountant for advice on best way to proceed explaining that you've been left in precarious position and appreciate all the help you can get ?

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2012PP · 31/10/2016 13:42

thanks LILAC - I'll definitely contact accountant.
i have a horrendous sinking feeling that the refund is supposed to be for both of us, but will be paid to x's account so I won't see a blasted penny ! even though i should. !!
another painful lesson learnt

nicenewdusters · 31/10/2016 13:42

Chuckle Oh, Cockwomble sounds like a prince among men. What a thing to say to your dd. Notice it's the event you took her to she's talking about though. Yes, stepping up and being Dad of the Year. If they were any more transparent you could see right through them - oh, hang on, we can !!

My friends dp has just been exposed, by her, for having an affair. He's minimising, refusing to leave the family home, and guess what? For the first time ever he's taking the kids trick or treating tonight. I'm likely to bump into him - am looking forward to it. Hoping to make him feel like he wished he'd bumped into a killer clown instead Angry

2012 my ex ignores my texts if he feels like it. I just check later with the kids when I know he's with them. They're never anything important, just arrangements, so he's put on the spot by me asking my dd on her phone to ask dad xxx. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Also love the sound of your new friend, sounds like a keeper. Some people just get it, she obviously does.

Frog Is there a way you can think of your time with your ex in a way that makes it more bearable? I adored my ex. We laughed a lot, had loads of fun, he was always happy for me to have my own friends and social life (which of course he should have been). I felt very loved and secure. But like you there were red flags. He did/does have a very cold side. He couldn't empathise on lots of things. I used to think he's my partner, but not my best friend. He was largely a good dad, but better when things went his way and the dc behaved in the way he expected. Very high expectations of people.

I believe this good side was real, and this side of him came to the fore when we were together. I don't think it was a lie. However, the nasty side was always there, but when we were happy it was dormant. Now things haven't gone his way I can only see the nasty side. My way of dealing with it (I think I've said this before) is to see him like two people. The man I loved and who I know loved me, and the one who now picks up the dc from the street. I allow myself fond memories, remind myself some people never have those, then draw a line.

I've given up trying to work out why he threw it all away. I'll never know, don't think he does. If he threw himself on the floor and begged for my forgiveness, I still couldn't be with him, because I've seen too much. It''s like the genie is out of the bottle. I don't think the man you met frog can come back, because he turned into the person you now know well, and who has caused you so much pain. It's hard to admit to yourself that you ignored warning signs, I ignored some. So really that ideal person you miss was never really available to you. It was a cut and paste of the best bits, with a dollop of hope that all would be well.

Like you I'll always miss the good bits and the nice side. I'm sure he did love you, but if someone falls out of love because their partner hits a rough patch, that's not a love you need, certainly not one that can last.

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dungandbother · 31/10/2016 14:27

Welcome Chuckle.
I absolutely wished many times that Ex had died. I understand completely your words.

Frog you poor love. Have a cry and don't beat yourself up over it. You have to grieve for him, it's a process and it will get better. Go read the Fog website again for inspiration.

2012 the ignoring is so annoying. My communication is all email. He never answers the actual purpose of the email ie please collect at x from y and always replies with a tangent or deliberately provoking statement.

So today I am all upset. I have a date tomorrow night. Ex doesn't know. But that's just by the by, and looks like I will have to cancel.

Ex still wants to collect children Tues, but they DON'T want to go. So I mailed to say they don't want to see him and get email back that I have to tell them they are going and he's picking them up from school.

Childminder can't stop him. Head teacher can't stop him. So I will have to leave work to prevent him taking them. And I spend the whole of today and tonight and tomorrow completely anxious and in knots.

Homely1 · 31/10/2016 16:29

Goodness, such a shitty exchange with ex at weekend. He's a loser and just does not understand simple things. Instead, he'll find an angle to u come at me.

What do you do re DC birthdays?

I wish he'd just disappear. I'm always worried he'll take DC.

nicenewdusters · 31/10/2016 18:11

Just wanted to say Happy Halloween (if that's a thing!)

Currently wearing an over sized hat with a skeleton on and dancing to Thriller. Trying to keep control of several children who've eaten their body weight in sweets already, and we're off out again in a minute!! Halloween Grin

nicenewdusters · 31/10/2016 20:57

Homely. You asked about DC birthdays. They've only come around once since we split, but we've basically done half the day each. I've done the birthday treat for the dc plus their friends. He wasn't invited and expressed no wish to come. Should imagine it'll be the same for the next birthday(s).

Sorry you had a rotten time at the weekend with your ex. Does he threaten not to return the dc, or is it just how he makes you feel?

Lilacpink40 · 31/10/2016 21:44

Happy halloweenHalloween Smile

I think dividing bithday time works well too. My ex can't stand other people's DCs, has no patience for them. I do and it's great as I get to organise and enjoy parties with them. He does the big flashy gifts while telling them around the same time that I have all his money. Can you divide the day up homely?

Ex paid Sept child maintenance in the end (late), but then did Oct earlier. He took my threat of CSA seriously.Halloween Grin

On a different area, I have 2 dates set-up. Another in the pipeline and messaging over 5 more men being selective and all have 'real' jobs. For anyone feeling brave for online dating it can be a fun distraction (but not worth over investing as most fizzle out).

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nicenewdusters · 31/10/2016 22:19

Good news on the maintenance Lilac.

I misread that as you'd been massaging 5 men! But looks like you're going well with the online dating, so who knows!!

I saw my heart jump man early this morning. Very unexpected, I was walking back to my car after drop off. Wasn't feeling very glamorous, and he was with other people, so hurried to my car. Tomorrow is the day I see him, if ever I do, so hopefully our paths will cross.

Lilacpink40 · 31/10/2016 23:23

Dusters you need to engineer more time with Mr heartjump. Perhaps you need his advice on a hobby /DIY / training course / group / insert anything he likes ? Halloween Wink

Also are you trying "I like you", through body language?
I've read up, this may sound odd but may be worth a try...look him in the eye slightly longer than most people do in general, look down and back again to check he's looking. Make sure your whole body, even feet, face him ideally hands resting on hips if you don't want to move them about. No crossing arms. Palms / wrists visable wherever possible with high discussion as apparently that shows openess and honesty. Repeat what he says to show interest...could be rubbish, but worth a go?

Opposite for narcs. Cross arms, body faces away. Frown lots. block, block, block

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PurpleThursday · 01/11/2016 00:01

Thinking of you frog no more words from me at the mo... the shit is hitting the fan here SadWine

Lilacpink40 · 01/11/2016 00:08

Purple I hope the shit flies up in his face. Try to keep your sanity. Flowers

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Homely1 · 01/11/2016 06:56

DC birthday is on a school day though and he wants to see DC.
DC is having a party with her friends and I felt I had to mention it to him. Unfortunately, he is coming to that.

Nicenewdusters, I'm just scared that he will take DC, demand more time. He is s rubbish father and it just seems to me that no matter what, the law will always support him.

Homely1 · 01/11/2016 06:57

I guess I'm meant to tell him if I'm doing a party

nicenewdusters · 01/11/2016 07:04

Lilac. Yes, you're right, need to be more proactive. Love the tips on body language. Last time I spoke to him I could feel myself being very smiley, just because he was so nice to talk to. He's a generally friendly, chatty person, (I see him around where we live) so his talking to me is in line with that. Can't be too clear as it would be outing but we both have a business, and it's in this capacity that our paths cross. I do actually "need" a bit of advice related to what he does, so, who knows.......

Oh Purple don't like the sound of that. Hope you have a big, f**ck off fan, and as Lilac says, it flies in his face.

Thinking of you too frog. I wish I'd had your roast dinner last night instead of 500 Haribos !

nicenewdusters · 01/11/2016 07:07

Homely need to get ready for work so will post later, having had a think about the whole birthday thing etc.

Froginapan · 01/11/2016 09:44

Morning all

Dusters - Mr Heart-Jump might like coffee?

Purple - how much shit, exactly?

Homely - crap that he's coming to the party. Just smile breezily and focus on the kids, do not take any bait.

Lilac - OLD can be quite an adventure. Good luck on the dates.

I'm trying to get myself back into the swing of things again. I don't think the tonsillitis helped much as I had been doing so much better before that.

We're going on holiday soon - to somewhere we used to go as a family which will be hard but there are loads of like minded families going so hopefully it will take my mind off the fact that he should have been with us - I hope so, constant memories is torture enough as it is.

2012PP · 01/11/2016 12:19

Hi everyone.
I'm trying to busy myself today as ds is supposed to go to X after school today, but there has been zero communication since Friday morning when X tried to FaceTime & I texted back to say we can't do that as we don't have wifi!!! So I have the knotted feeling back again wondering if the school are going to call me as X never showed up or not!
Ds was very upset this morning when I told him he was going to X's asking me "why do I have to go there mummy?". What do I tell him?
Because mummy is a silly cow & thought X would grow up and parent you properly if I just arranged it enough so X could see you & you went there!
"Oh god- I'm so fucking sorry ds"...

2012PP · 01/11/2016 12:22

Hey frog. A holiday sounds lovely. Hope the other families are supportive to you

Natsku · 01/11/2016 13:04

Holiday sounds good frog hope that helps

Hope things aren't too bad purple

I wouldn't tell him about the party homely but I'm mean like that, no way would I let my ex come to any party because he'd cause a scene and upset all the children.

Have fun with your dates lilac and hope you see heart jump man dusters

Fuck your ex 2012 does he still not realise its his fault he can't facetime?!

My ex sent my OH aggressive text messages last night - OH will need to get a restraining order now I think

ohforfoxsake · 01/11/2016 13:34

Homely - for what its worth, I've got a couple of the DCs birthdays coming up. My take on it is I will choose to do something to celebrate with them. It is entirely down to XH if he chooses to do something to celebrate with them. I'm a planner so give it thought. Its not my fault if he doesnt and the prime slot is taken. He'll have to do something another time.

If its a case of you feel obliged to involve him, well you really aren't and you don't have to. Wouldn't the DCs love a DOUBLE celebration and be spoilt twice over? Absolutely. His choice. Will they even notice him piggy-backing yours? No, not at all. No one will benefit except him.

It is absolutely down to him to get his shit together and celebrate his childs birthday if thats what he chooses to do.

ohforfoxsake · 01/11/2016 13:37

2012 - you really aren't a silly cow. You just took someone at face value. We all did, and they let us down.

Its not us, its them.

Froginapan · 01/11/2016 14:44

Klaxon

ExP is being 'nice'. I'm taking cover

2012PP · 01/11/2016 16:06

Holly shit FROG. X being nice is red flags here X hope it's all okay.

I've had no call from school so pressure X has collected ds. I'll call later.

X still doesn't realise it's their own fault there was no FaceTime because they stopped the blasted broadband/tv package.
I'm getting it all back but not sure I'll say anything to X. Might see how long I can leave it.
I feel a bit sad and sick that ds is at X.
I think it all catches up with me in waves.
Ds & I had our 1st Halloween trick or treating & had such fun(with before mentioned new ish friend). It was such fun & ds was SO happy , just thinking about it now is making me well up and cry I'm a bit sensitive
I think I need to go and clean-clear up to distract myself as feeling sorry for me isn't very comfy .

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