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support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh 2

954 replies

Lilacpink40 · 18/10/2016 18:14

Hope this works...

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greencarbluecar · 26/10/2016 21:24

Oh frog Flowers maybe start with how you feel? Then why you feel like that? We're here to listen.

I feel weird tonight. Keep thinking about the good bits and how he's now showering those on other people.

It wasn't real it wasn't real it wasn't real

Rinse and repeat.

nicenewdusters · 26/10/2016 21:34

Go for it Frog. Doesn't matter how it comes out.

Must be something in the water. I've had a couple of strange days myself. Driving today, trying to stifle tears, my dd holding my hand.

Gave form to twat to sign via dd at 5.30pm today. Just collected ds from ex, no form. It's literally a signature. I asked ds, he said I don't know, he might have signed it in secret !

Dd being dropped back tomorrow morning. If the form doesn't materialise, well, plan B.

Lilacpink40 · 27/10/2016 00:02

Sorry for the stress going on with ex's at moment Flowers

Green the fact he 'showers' good stuff says a lot. He's choosing to do it to get something back, it's not out of good will. You'll be better off getting less 'showy' positivity and more real positivity from genuine people. Smile

Dusters you've right it's a simple form. He's a twat. Halloween Grin

On the distration front, aka dating, I'm writing to lots of men now. Just love the feeling of not being controlled. What a rebel eh? I won't and can't date all and many aren't suitable, but it's a laugh

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nicenewdusters · 27/10/2016 00:25

Thanks Lilac. Glad you're having fun with the on line dating. I think two of your main criteria need to be GSOH and enjoys fine dining !!

Teabay · 27/10/2016 01:07

Hey my fellow friends
I've read your threads for a while and last night I decided to join mumsnet so I can actually post - hello! Brew
You've made me feel normal & like it's doable....I'm on my mum's sofa (have been since July) but I'm OUT!! Biscuit
Hurrah for that, and thank you for your sage advice. I am only just coming to terms with it; 18 yrs later I refuse to be WRONG! I'm lovely & I chose someone who cannot/will not change: it's not me...rinse & repeat!

nicenewdusters · 27/10/2016 10:40

Welcome Teabay (great name, by the way!)

So glad you found us, other normal people who are learning so much from each other, about coping with a very abnormal situation.

You sound very determined, and you're right, it's not you.

2012PP · 27/10/2016 10:59

Hi teabay .
Sorry you're here ! But welcome.
I'm fairly new too and have found some great advice & just knowing I wasnt alone has helped a lot 💐.

Chloecoconut · 27/10/2016 12:19

Hope you are ok Frog?

Hi Teabay.

Nicenewdusters - that's rubbish the the form Sad Fingers crossed its materialised this am.

Lilac - I had an absolute blast with online dating and just talking to men in bars because I could do all without having to explain myself to anyone! Good luck!!

donners312 · 27/10/2016 13:26

well my ex WN still hasn't confirmed he is taking them tomorrow for half term, just nothing!

Has only seen them twice this year and last time was in June!!!

wanker!!!!!!!!

Luckily they said they don't care!!

Froginapan · 27/10/2016 13:45

I just want to die. I know that isn't an option - the DC deserve a mum and a dad, but I just wish something would happen. I'm tired. I'm done. All I have left is enough for the DC - nothing left for even myself.

Chloecoconut · 27/10/2016 14:04

Frog - what's happened lovely? I'm not surprised you feel shit it's everything that's been going on. Forget the kids needing a mum and a dad, they need YOU and you CAN do this. Might not feel like it now but you CAN. Don't let him win - revert to taking it all one hour at a time (honestly sometimes it works). I'm not sure where in the world you are but I'm Midlands based if you need a cuppa/vodka x

Chloecoconut · 27/10/2016 14:06

sorry Frog with not its ...

Natsku · 27/10/2016 17:37

Oh frog have a very unmumsnetty hug.

greencarbluecar · 27/10/2016 18:06

frog, sweetheart, I know what you're talking about and I promise you will get through it. This too shall pass. Talk to us, even if it feels like it doesn't make sense. Having someone to listen can make such a difference and we're all here for that. You're not alone x

nicenewdusters · 27/10/2016 18:21

Frog You don't, really you don't. You just want all the crap to stop, even if just for a day, an hour. "Stop the world, I want to get off". I remember that feeling. But if you get off you can't get back on, and being with your dc feeling like you do will be better than getting off. What's happening now WILL come to an end. It may not be the end you want, but there will be a resolution, a full stop. Then you have your new normal.

How can you take back some control of your situation? Tell me if I'm wrong, but that's what seems to have changed in the past few days with your posts.

My ex won't sign the form (What a surprise - said nobody!!). He also thinks he deserves half the insurance money. Well, I'm fighting fire with fire. He knows I hold all the cards with the kids, I'm much smarter than him, and I can turn his life upside down. He's threatening me, but right back at you.

The kids know what he's doing, the gloves are off.

You've given me some great advice on here frog. I can feel you're a strong person. Just hang on in there. Is your looming court date overshadowing everything at the moment?

PurpleThursday · 27/10/2016 19:58

Help!!

DCs have come home from a huge Disney Day.

DS (after 4 occasions of not wanting to see XH at all & phoning, crying, begging me to get him) had done a complete turn around. Is sitting with all the gifts bought for him and now thinks XH is wonderful.

How do I cope with this? How can I cope with this? I can't bloody cope with this.

Frog I'm going to read posts in a minute. I'm here for you.

nicenewdusters · 27/10/2016 20:40

Purple Firstly, I too would be feeling exactly the same in your shoes. Putting on my outsider's head:

  • last week you were worried that ds wouldn't go/be allowed to go on D Day. This would have isolated him from his siblings. He's been, so that's a good thing. Nice shared memory made.
  • your ds has had a great day. Tick.
  • ds now thinks XH is wonderful. Unlikely. He's probably just grateful to not be resenting and disliking him. This temporary feeling is a good thing.
  • we all saw how mature your ds is. The next time - which there will be - that XH upsets him he won't gloss over it because of today. We all want to believe that people can change, and are better than we think. Your ds is no different, he's got the chance to believe that, if only for today.

You'll find a way to cope. I've coped today by sending some brutally honest and scathing texts. That may not work for me tomorrow, but it did today.

dungandbother · 27/10/2016 20:44

Well done on the support here ladies.
Even though the advice today isn't mine and I'm ok today, it still all makes absolutely crystal clear sense to me and my situation.

Funny how whilst different scenarios pop up for us all.... the stuff underneath is all the same.

Deep breath everyone

2012PP · 27/10/2016 20:53

Hugs to everyone who's finding it hard today 💐🍷🍾🍸🎂.
Waving a magic wand to dissolve all WN into oblivion forever...

My X is away... It's amazing to me just how much more relaxed Ds & I both are with no contact. It's lovely. I'm dreading the return .
I am coming to the conclusion that it really would be better if there was no contact.
How can I do that?

Chloecoconut · 27/10/2016 21:29

Purple - smile and nod and be as happy as you can be for them ...... it's shit, really shit but you know those gifts will get forgotten long term. What the kids will remember is stability, that you were always there for them - all those sorts of things. I know everyone says that, I know it's hard but finally My eldest two are getting to the stage where despite all the disneying, lies and promises, they are seeing through it. It's a long time coming but believe me it's worth it. I apologise for not being up to date with everyone's circumstances but hang on in there x

Chloecoconut · 27/10/2016 21:32

Dung - you are right, for the majority of us the underlying issues/problems etc are the same. It's not nice but it's sometimes just this that means that we don't feel quite so alone and that makes us realise that the problems are not our fault.

Chloecoconut · 27/10/2016 21:33

Not so much realise that the problems aren't our fault but helps us to realise that we ARE right - it's not us.

PurpleThursday · 27/10/2016 21:35

Frog. I just feel for you and I don't know what to say. I feel as despairing to be honest.

Has anyone else felt like giving up their DCs? Maybe I'm alone. Right now I just feel that anything would be better than this shit. I can't bear the games and the lies and the threats and the financial control etc. If I ducked out of the whole equation I feel it would be the better option for the DCs. They wouldn't be in the crossfire. They wouldn't have to see me broken and worn out. They wouldn't have their heads and loyalties and emotions twisted with it all. They wouldn't be involved in any of the fire that is thrown at me. I'm really starting to feel that in the long run they would be better off without me. XH won't stop. I know that. I can't see a good way out of this shit.

nicenewdusters · 27/10/2016 22:25

Oh Purple. What a complete nothing he is to make you feel your dc would be better with him, and not you. NO, no, no. I've never met you but just knowing what you've said about him - just no. I can see that the shit would stop - temporarily - but it would only be replaced with different shit. They'd want to come back, he'd mess them up, they'd grow up thinking the way he behaves is ok.

I've come to the conclusion that most of the angst is caused by trying to steer an impossible path. So the path has to change. We care about our kids above everything. We're sad our relationship with their dads has broken down. We know these men are shit, but we want to protect our kids from that knowledge.

But actually we can't, and really it's not fair to lie to them. They know what their dads are like, on different levels, at various points through their lives. If we keep giving them conflicting messages, they won't know what's right and wrong. They see us upset, they see us struggle, they know it's their dad's fault. What do we do? We pretend, we lie, we reframe, we cover up.

Does this work? No. So many threads on here where women say they knew how their dad treated their mum. Or they're glad they split up because life with him gone was better. I've stopped covering up. When twat sent me that text today about the form we were out, our first day together over half term. They saw my reaction, dd said is that dad? I said yes, and read them the text. I've since told them what's transpired, and that dad is making my life difficult, which in turn will make their life difficult.

They're off for a long weekend with him tomorrow. We're packing, they're quite excited, so I'm excited with them. But only in a general sense. Ds just said dad says I have to go on the halloween walk, but I don't want to. Dad said "You're going." Ds asked me why would he make me. I said because sometimes he's unkind and a bully. My ds is scared of his own shadow, twat probably thinks he'll knock it out of him. I said to ds you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

My dc are better off with a healthy, strong me and the knowledge their dad is far from perfect. Alternatively, I crumble, he's still a twat, and they grow up with a broken mum and still a twat for a dad.

So, fuck em. Expose their lies. Tell them that their kids think they're mean/unkind/unfair. Tell them their kids don't like their new partner/their parenting - them ! I'm not tying myself in knots anymore. Yes, there'll be some fallout from the kids now and again. I can cope with that.

These men are all sorts of wrong. We've rumbled them, they're just scared little boys underneath.

greencarbluecar · 27/10/2016 22:38

purple I know what you mean. It's so hard, understatement of the century. But stop and think about it, really think. You don't cause his behaviour. If you weren't there, do you really think he'd stop being a narc, suddenly put his kids first? These men aren't only like this to us, they don't truly care about anyone but themselves or they wouldn't use their children to get at us.

If we remove ourselves from the situation, their narc tendencies will still be there, they'll show in other ways. And then we won't be there to shield and guide our children, and would be lost ourselves without them. Remember you did not cause this.