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support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh 2

954 replies

Lilacpink40 · 18/10/2016 18:14

Hope this works...

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Homely1 · 23/10/2016 21:31

Duck- yes I understand the spell. For some reason, I feel that I need to do as he says/asks!!! I'm always worried thatvhe will demand more time/get annoyed then demand more time with DC.

Dung- do they not formalise contact arrangements in the order?

I missed the 'child boss' thing

mysinkingheart · 23/10/2016 21:36

Yes Fox it is really hard. Sounds like you've got his number though and you're such a great Mum, being the only grown-up doing any parenting. I hope that knowing that gives you the strength to deal with mister bachelor pad (pff) and to rise above all that. He's an emotional titch compared to you, seriously.

mysinkingheart · 23/10/2016 21:37

And Flowers everyone am off to bed Wink x

nicenewdusters · 23/10/2016 21:46

"skinny jeans" Grin

dungandbother · 23/10/2016 22:02

Homely
If you have a decent solicitor then yes. They would advise it.

Bear in mind you can advise your solicitor too. So if it's not presented by the other side, don't bring it up!

My court order is purely financial.

greencarbluecar · 23/10/2016 22:11

Pahaha mine would never fit into skinny jeans

giggles immaturely at the image

Lilacpink40 · 23/10/2016 22:39

Thanks dung I'll look at Prima for dating options too.

Dusters it was more of a pop-up shop, I had a fried egg on toast. No bacon etc as he's vegetarian. I went home and ate!

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greencarbluecar · 23/10/2016 22:46

Fried egg on toast and you had to spend three hours with him before you could go and eat?

Stay there, I'm coming over to cook you a late night roast.

nicenewdusters · 23/10/2016 22:59

Bloody hell Lilac you dodged a bullet there ! Fried egg on toast? Personal favourite, but not on a first date. If you're still hungry after Greencars roast dinner I'll courier you over a round of fish finger sandwiches.

greencarbluecar · 23/10/2016 23:38

I'll make sure there's some extra ketchup in

momv2 · 23/10/2016 23:52

When will the X just sod off? I moved all communication to Family Wizard and he's doing his "Father of the Year" campaign by posting 4-5 messages a day with photos of DC at various activities with him on the day they are together. I know what DC looks like. I see him every night of the week. Shame X refuses to pay DC's therapy or school fees or any extra curricula. Screw the Disney Dad antics. I've stopped reading X's messages. I'm handing him a big wad of cash in the settlement. Thankfully he has agreed to not come to pester me at my house after I threatened to call police.

Natsku · 24/10/2016 05:45

Fried egg on toast?! Should have given him egg on his face!

Trying to imagine my ex in skinny jeans - not working, he wouldn't fit for sure. He went for the caveman look (long hair and beard) though he's cut that all off now, maybe his midlife crisis is to try and look presentable.

In my experience formal arrangements are necessary as I discovered after multiple times of my ex refusing to return DD, culminating in the last time when I had to essentially kidnap her when he brought her to the clinic for her check up (which of course he reported as a crime so had the police turn up at my house afterwards but they said its not a crime to take your child back to their official address). Whenever he didn't return her I'd call the police and the social workers but they all said as there was no formal arrangement they couldn't do anything.

dungandbother · 24/10/2016 10:08

Mom I think you should stop with the Wizard thing. You are still 'enabling' his attempts to be a parent and ultimately he continues to fail.

I think this is one of the difficult things for all of us on this thread... we have in the past enabled them to be fathers. And in the aftermath, if we don't come to terms and have techniques to deal with the fact they CANNOT be good fathers, we are the ones who suffer.

All the examples on this thread of our suffering is because we believe that a good father is in there somewhere. If we just try a little bit harder to find them.........

I mostly have come to terms with the fact he is a terrible father. Yet I still got manipulated at the weekend... I still chased the whisp of a dream he could step up.

dungandbother · 24/10/2016 10:12

Nat - I can see formal arrangements are indeed necessary in your case. I'm glad I don't have them as I can keep the children home and he can't do a damn thing about it.... except take me to court. And his bullying behaviour has been shocking (and documented) so I'm not scared.

Lilac better luck next date. I have literally just exchanged first message with a man on Prima dating... will keep you posted. I like the site because it is quiet, and older.

Froginapan · 24/10/2016 12:02

Morning all

Needy post alert:

I'm struggling. The kids are fine, looked after, stimulated etc etc but inside I'm a wreck. Every single day I hope that the man I met will pick up the phone and say what an idiot he's been. I honestly don't think I will ever get over him. It's been 9 months now. The children are so much happier without him, but I just wish who I thought he was was real.

ohforfoxsake · 24/10/2016 12:10

You are so right Dung, about enabling them to parent. And because we've been doing it for so long, and now with the realisation that they can't do a good job at it without us simply because they don't know how, withdrawing that 'service' will be detrimental to our children, which of course conflicts with EVERYTHING.

Guardian Soulmates here. Bit older, very slow if you're outside of London but some nice people. Good ones do get snapped up quickly though!

ohforfoxsake · 24/10/2016 12:14

Oh Frog, i'm so sorry.

He will only be the person he chooses to be. He's moved on and I am sorry to say, I expect he has no need to be kind now. There's nothing in it for him anymore. Sadly getting him out from under your skin takes time.

Because what you value isn't the same as what he values. How on earth can he NOT see what is right there in front of him? The things we hold dear, the things that really matter in life - how can they hold so little value? I don't understand it either, but it truly seems to be the case.

Look at what you've written: you are being a good mum, you have happy, cared for children. You are stronger than you think.

2012PP · 24/10/2016 12:45

oh FROG - virtual hand-holding, hug et al.
having a wobble and feeling "needy" are part and parcel of having children i think. it's super hard when x's are %&%* .
my sis is married to a lovely man (apparently there are some out there) and she;s called me many times for support - I'm only saying it as i always presume I'm suffering because x is %&%* but maybe its not.
Im not sure if this is helping or not, as I'm not being very clear - so i'll stop.
I just meant as a support and explanation not as any kind of criticism...or judgement. sorry if it came across all wrong.

ohforfoxsake · 24/10/2016 14:42

I am raging.

Having scraped a minimum agreement, XH has just told me he won't agree to further dates (which I have made plans for). He has also refused to ask his family for help and told me to ask mine (his live 30 minutes away, mine 5 hours).

His problem is that I have pre-arranged things (according to our agreement) and he doesn't like it.

I am writing to the solicitor.

nicenewdusters · 24/10/2016 14:52

Lovely Frog. I get you. I've got tears in my eyes typing this post to you. Despite my "f**k 'em" attitude, and being somewhat detached from my emotions, it's not so long ago I was sobbing my heart out. I'm still grieving for the loss of my relationship, and the man I thought he was. I know how hard it is, and I'm 18 months down the line.

My ex has lovely hands, and sometimes just knowing I'll never hold them again is like looking into a dark place. Knowing he's the only one I can share certain memories with, but that now they're locked in my head only really hurts. I'm so cross with him, so disappointed, so let down.

But the passage of time has helped. I say to myself now we had x good years together, 2 lovely dc, but it ended, and nothing can be done. I try not to figure it out anymore, wonder what, why, how etc. It just is.

Because we had children together I think a little part of me will always hurt. It's such a strong link. I dropped my dc off at my ex's for the first time about 3 months ago. When I saw his silhouette in his house, knowing that's where he now lived, on his own, I felt like I couldn't breathe. I wanted to run in and say this is crazy, you should be with us. But he made it that we couldn't be together, so I just have to remind myself of that.

Our split, which involved his family, has fractured several relationships amongst my own wider family. The whole landscape of my life changed almost overnight, and I have to try and comfort those who were caught in the fallout.

When I feel the rose-tinted glasses descending I remind myself of the way he has acted, his part in all the chaos. I try now to see him as 2 people, the one I loved before, and the stranger who now spends time with my children. I've just had to harden my heart. I don't really know how, I think it's just time.

I don't know if any of that reflects your feelings Frog. I know my heart used to literally hurt. Now it doesn't, just the odd twinge!

nicenewdusters · 24/10/2016 14:59

OhForFox no wonder you're raging. Yep, go straight down the legal route. He can't handle you having your own life and, as he'll see it, "telling him" what to do. Well, tough luck on him, that's life.

Do you still have a reasonable relationship with his family? Is it of the kind that you could ask them separately for help, whatever that entails?

dungandbother · 24/10/2016 16:51

Seems many of us are having a wobbly weekend / start to the week.

Hugs to all.

It's the burning frustration they cause.

Remember it's vital to do something nice for ourselves on these types of days.
Tickle the children.
Go for walk
Have a bubbly bath
Watch something on catchup or make time to read.

Be kind to yourself. All of you.

greencarbluecar · 24/10/2016 17:41

Mine is doing yet more to further his wonderful life. While I struggle on, still reeling from the effects of everything he did.

It's the fucking unfairness of it that gets me.

nicenewdusters · 24/10/2016 18:10

Have been offered a settlement for my car by my insurers, all fine, I've accepted. Now awaiting payment, no mention of settlement going to my ex so keeping quiet and fingers crossed. Have just checked DVLA documents, will need to get him to sign something to transfer ownership to the insurers Sad.

Can't bear the idea of having to contact him. If he won't sign it'll make things very difficult. I may just take the nuclear option; he's due to take the dc away next weekend, they can give him the form to sign mid week. If he doesn't sign, I won't let him take the dc. Fight fire with fire.

dungandbother · 24/10/2016 18:16

Fight fire with fire. And watch them blow up Grin
I have this coming up when I sell house next year. He'll probably refuse to sign anything.