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Experts - "Nothings happened". Would you believe this?

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yohoohoo · 03/10/2016 20:19

Found messages a month ago between DH and OW. Suspissions started on our hol. All the usual, his phone constantly glued to him and him looking at it, taking it in the bathroom etc. On our return I checked his emails and saw messages between the 2. Stuff over various messages from DH like "Hi sexy, hi gorgeous tried to call you but yr phones off. Ive sent you a really long message did you get it. Please let me know youve got it. Have a great flight and holiday send me a bikini photo. I miss you so much. From OW "Ive not heard from you dont forget you can email me. I miss your essays. Miss you too. Phones not working email me.

So when confronting turns out it was someone he met on a stag doone night whilst out end of July...he said he was stupid, just felt flattered by the attention and all theyve done is message nothings happened, didnt sleep together, no meet ups. The stag do was over a hundred miles away.

So my dilemmia is I just dont get it, it doesnt add up...we've had it out but so difficult to talk with DD around. and Ive told him I need time to process all if this. But I just cant move on. After meeting someone for 1 day/night 21 days later youre messaging all the above ????? and DH saying "I miss you so much" - that's the one line that got to me most. Or could an EA have formed over a short time.

Were talking this week and I need answers as it keeps going round and round in my head. What do others think?

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adora1 · 10/10/2016 12:59

If you love him OP it's worth fighting for, that's all you need to be concerned with now, as for the gory details, you know you will never know exactly what went on just be clear though that he has completely broken the trust between you, I'm afraid the messaging would suggest a sexual relationship to me, emotional definitely so he's cheated regardless of the actual sex happening.

You have a long road ahead but it's HIM who should be making it smooth, you never know you both might come out with a better relationship in the end, either way, you will have tried your best.

stumblymonkey · 10/10/2016 13:01

Personally I would wait until he was with me and with a device (phone, laptop, whatever) that had access to his emails and I would tell him I wanted to read the emails so that I could put my mind at rest that what he is saying is true.

If he got defensive and refused to show me = he has not told the truth.

If he said he'd deleted them all I would ask him to show me his inbox and 'trash' folders plus 'sent' folders from today to before the stag do = either this would bring up some emails I could read or at least verify if he had really deleted them.

For me the only way forward would be if he agreed. Obviously the contents will be upsetting but at least you'll know exactly what you're dealing with.

If he doesn't agree you have your answer anyway.

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 13:08

Stumbly - Ive done all that 5 weeks ago...that's how I found the messages as I knew there was something not right. The ones that are deleted from trash cant be retrieved. I gathered evidence before confronting him and he did give me his phone to look through as well,. and since then has left it out, available, around

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Mamia15 · 10/10/2016 13:09

Get him to read this book:

www.amazon.co.uk/Help-Your-Spouse-Heal-Affair/dp/145055332X

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 10/10/2016 14:31

yohoohoo, if you've made your decision then eventually, you will have to reach peace with it or ultimately you will destroy your marriage anyway. It's very hard. You're doing a difficult thing and it's wrenching you because you're asking yourself to do something that no person should be asked to do - accept the lies and don't question them anymore.

If it were my husband (and I were staying), I'd ask him how he managed to compartmentalise - and use that information to do it yourself.

lollylou2876 · 10/10/2016 15:27

This is more than a casual meeting (sorry), due to the language used between them, it suggests much more is happening than a casual meeting.

He is being vague and making it difficult to communicate to preserve and downplay what he has with her, by doing this he is choosing her over you and your right to the truth. Aa a sorry regretful man would admit and communicate with you, in order to try and fix things and work out what went wrong. Until he does that there will be no closure for you or way forward for you both.

My ex Dh, did the same with the phone, and lots more but "it was all in my head, I was crazy, paranoid & insecure" (gaslighting manipulation tactic), " I was ruining our relationship by not letting it go" after seeing a cbt counsellor (as my head was spinning with the lies and half truths, his own mother covered for him) she told me I had the right to know what is going on or is happening in my relation, and that i had a rational approach as I wanted to discuss, work on it and move forward, but his denial/s & downplaying made that impossible. So on effect he had ended it.

I told him to move out but he basically stalked me and my family for months, after a while just before Xmas in gave him another chance (totally stupid) 2 weeks after he'd supposedly been at his disabled brothers playing board games and came home with a takeaway as we were eating he took his coat off and spilt curry on his shirt, asking me to pass him a cloth, I noticed a full facial make up print, I mean foundation, mascara the lot, so calmly said I wouldn't worry about the curry, as make up is impossible to get out of white pointing out the stain. I wear make up I know you have to be hugging someone for quite a while and be quite sweaty for to make an imprint like that.

But guess what he was just saying goodbye to "a friend" And gave her a quick hug and why was I making a big deal yet again my jealously issues were getting the better of me etc. Anyway I kicked him out as we were waiting for the taxi he said I'm a crazy bitch and punched me in the face.

So he then tells everyone including my family (fetching the shirt as proof) I'd kicked him out in the middle of the night blah blah blah how I need help & the rest.

Anyway the stalking started again until he realised it was over and two weeks later he his friend was his new girlfriend & they moved in a month later. He was still ringing me and trying to get back in.
There was no better revenge than letting them have each other, as I'm sure it was fun sneaking about, but I know reality is far different. What she didn't know then was she had stole a chronic gambler, liar, cheat, the shitty underpants & him passing in a pot in the bedroom as he can't be bothered to go all the way to the bathroom at night. It's also a big job feeding a 27 stone man lol and cleaning a 5 bedroom house with a man who can't even flush a loo!

She started to put lots of bitchy facebook posts as I'm a curvy size 12 & not to bad looking and she's like a size 20 but a good looking woman. I've ignored it all happy on the knowledge I'm finally free from him.

Leave him & let them them face reality together the grass, sure loses the enticing greeness when your eating every day!

Lotsofponies · 10/10/2016 15:55

I am so sorry you are going through this. Sad thing is at this stage your DH has the power to enable you both to move forwards together, but he won’t be able to see this.

In my situation we had been together 17 years with 3 DC’s, the usual ups and downs but in the main a good relationship. At the time we were on a bit of a down. He went to his brother’s wedding in Finland and got drunk and maudlin. In the early hours a very pretty young girl started talking to him, he felt flattered, he paid her a compliment, she took this as a green light (as you would), they flirted, her taxi came, a hug goodbye turned into a kiss, he liked it. He walked her to the door, they snogged the face off each other and groped, she went home, he went to bed thinking what the fuck have I just done.

For the next 6 weeks he was weird, my gut told me something was up, I kept questioning him. Eventually he broke down, he said he had met someone he ‘liked’ in Finland and was questioning if he loved me. At this stage I still believed him to be trustworthy and honourable; I believed he was ending it with me for her. I found her on Facebook and said I was going to message her; he panicked and said they kissed. I contacted her; he panicked again and said they kissed twice, but no groping and certainly nothing sexual. He swore on his kids’ lives. It was nearly 4 months before he admitted the truth, he actually confessed to more than she did, but he doesn’t know this! He offered me full access to his phone, email and bank accounts, I had already and checked!

This was 2 years ago The damage was not really caused by that 1hr in Finland, but the lies, minimising and loss of trust afterwards. He understands now that he held the key for restoring trust, telling the truth - SIMPLE. At the time he couldn’t face up to his actions; he was frightened that each disclosure could lead to me ending our marriage.

With hindsight I would have asked him to leave for a while, to give me time and space to think clearly without him and to empower me to feel in control of this situation that was not of my making. I would have told him reconciliation was only possible if he demonstrated his respect and commitment to me full by disclosure. Whilst he was still in the home and relationship there was no incentive to release more information. In essence he was ‘getting away with it’. I would still have contacted the OW, however just remember that the OW is just as bad as him.

Ultimately the decision is yours, even if it’s a decision not to make a decision at this time. You are not letting the side down by considering reconciliation; it’s a long and painful road in many ways harder than breaking up. This is your life, your family, only you know if there is something you think worth saving, only you know if you are a forgiving person or the sort to be eaten away by resentment. You must also be prepared that you may never feel quite the same way about your DH and relationship again. I see a weak, selfish side in my DH that I never knew existed and at times I still feel vulnerable and guarded.

Try to take care of yourself, have long warm baths, do things you enjoy, read, watch nice things on telly, walk the dog/play sport, try to sleep, eat or at least keep your fluid levels up. You are not alone, there are so many of us who have trodden this path. The key thing to remember is that you will feel better again.

Humblebee1 · 10/10/2016 16:02

Yohoohoo, I am going through exactly the same emotions as you right now, five months on from discovering my partner of 15 years cheated.

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 16:14

Lotsofponies - this is where I/we are...sounds fairly similar in circumstance and reading your words made me well up. I just don't know what to do "for the best". I really don't want to contact the OW, I did threaten it and he didn't panic or flinch just said "yes do it as nothing else happened". There really is nowhere for him to go - I know that isn't my problem and financially it isn't an answer also our DD would have to be told and I really, really don't want that at all. He works shifts so every other week at night I don't have him around so I do have the time to myself. My only other option is to tell him Im going to contact her or make him do a lie detector (he did suggest the latter) unless he tells me the truth full stop and see what he does/says then,

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Lotsofponies · 10/10/2016 16:16

Also I agree with lying, there will come a point, when you have to decide if you believe what he is telling you, but not now whilst it is all so confusing and raw.

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 16:17

Humblebee - so sorry xxx

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adora1 · 10/10/2016 16:19

Not meaning to stir the proverbial OP but are you 100% he has no contact with her, is it just his word you have on that too?

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 16:21

adora1 - well 5 weeks ago I would of said yes I believe every single word my DH tells me but now...

No emails, or text or calls that I can see and no more hiding of mobile etc... so Im 99.9% sure it has ended but like I said above who knows.

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brodchengretchen · 10/10/2016 16:23

OP, you are letting your sheer desperation to save the relationship ruin your chances of getting the truth. You get the real truth by saying that you know everything (and I can guarantee that it is a full blown affair), making him admit to it by not accepting anything less than every detail, which may take hours, because actually you do want to hear it. Without it you cannot heal. Never, ever, reveal your sources, just state that you have proof and without the truth you have no future. (What he has told you so far is just the usual cheater's waffle.) You may have no future anyway but at least you were not left a fool. I think breaking him down is a fair description.

Or you can just live like this for the next few years until he leaves.

MissMoo22 · 10/10/2016 16:24

I think that no matter what he says you will doubt him. I would need to contact the OW and ask her what happened. Don't ask her if what DH said was true, just tell her you know about them and would like to hear from her what happened. You may get a completely different story from the one your DH gave, or you could get the same one and that would hopefully be enough to help you put it behind you.

For what it's worth, I do think I would consider giving a partner a second chance if it involved no sex, no real feelings etc and I had children to consider and previously a good life with him. I don't think leaving is the only option in these scenarios but I do think you NEED to find out the OW's side of it all.

brodchengretchen · 10/10/2016 16:25

As pp have said, I would be looking for that second phone. It will be somewhere.

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 16:27

brodchengretchen - Ive broken him down and said I wanted needed to hear the truth and he told me what Ive detailed already about meeting OW, going to the casino, kissing then she left in a taxi. I have gone over and over it in my head and as OW lives 170 miles away there isn't a way that it could of carried on. He's not been away since etc... I understand what you're saying but I just cant see how it could of carried on

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adora1 · 10/10/2016 16:27

That's what happens when you risk your relationship over a bloody ego boost!

I really hope he has learned a valuable lesson here and unfortunately you are going to be questioning everything he tells you now because HE has broken the trust you had in him - you know he's more than capable now and unfortunately it's going to take a long time for you to be able to fully trust him again, if at all actually and even if you do learn to forgive, you may decide he's not actually worth having, just remember, take your time, do things at your pace and stay truthful always, to yourself.

Muddlingthroughtoo · 10/10/2016 16:28

Thing is OP, you are going to have to decide if you want the relationship to survive. If you do, then you are going to have to believe what he says and move on. If you don't, you and your relationship will self destruct because it will eat away at you. X

adora1 · 10/10/2016 16:31

So really what is in doubt here is if he actually had sex with her that night he met her, because other than that, it's just been messages?

This would be eating me up because I'm afraid going by the intimacy in those messages I'd assume sex did take place.

What have you got to lose by contacting her, is there a chance he's alerted her already though and they have their story straight now?

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 16:31

brodchengretchen already looked for the 2nd phone and nothing. Also OP, you are letting your sheer desperation to save the relationship ruin your chances of getting the truth I think I feel the opposite sheer desperation to cover all avenues, uncover all areas to make sure Im not making a mistake if I end it

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Lotsofponies · 10/10/2016 16:34

Of course you can't think straight when you whole life has been turned upside down, that's why its best not to make any snap decisions at this time.

Does he have a friend or family member he could stay with, could he go on late rooms and book a cheap hotel for a few days? As far as your child is concerned he/she will know that something is up. You could just say that you are going through a tough patch and need some space, or if that's to difficult could he have a course or seminar?

There has to be an incentive to tell the truth. At the moment he is in crisis management, he still has a relationship with you and he is not going to risk it by telling you anything else, he wont be seeing the bigger picture of what a future based on lies (if he is still lying) will be like..

Its so tough, I know, and to be honest I didn't make the decision to finally let go of the interrogation and believe until about 12 months on.

If you contact the OW there is always the risk that she might lie in order to stir the shit and try and get him back, or that they have been in contact and agreed the 'story', that's the problem with a situation like this. Nothing is real anymore and you don't know who or what to believe. That's why so many people make the decision to leave.

Have you thought about going for some individual counselling, it might help to focus you on what you want? I did and it really helped prevent me from going under.

yohoohoo · 10/10/2016 16:35

Yes I think the sex did he or didn't he IS the ultimate. I doubt he has contacted her since he ended it by email in my presence he absolutely knows if there was anymore contact of any kind that would be it.

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brodchengretchen · 10/10/2016 16:37

Ive broken him down and said I wanted needed to hear the truth and he told me what Ive detailed already about meeting OW, going to the casino, kissing then she left in a taxi. I have gone over and over it in my head and as OW lives 170 miles away there isn't a way that it could of carried on. He's not been away since etc... I understand what you're saying but I just cant see how it could of carried on

What he has told you is the tip of the iceberg, are you really so gullible? Or don't you want the truth? OP I heard the same stories, practically word for word. ("its over, it was nothing" blah, blah). So have dozens of others here. It's not over unless she's dead. Its just gone quite because you are suspicious, I'd bet my car on it.

You asked for the experts advice didn't you? Right now this man is not your friend.

Cabrinha · 10/10/2016 16:38

But you already know it carried on ConfusedSad

It may be true that the physical meeting was casino / taxi / kiss.
"Only".
And that he hasn't seen her since.

But they have swapped long "essays", and he has said he misses her, and has asked her for bikini shots Confused

Lie detector? Stupid man. He may be telling th truth that he only kissed her. Even if he's not - this isn't Jeremy Kyle. Where are you going to get a lie detector from?! What an empty load of shite that 'offer' is.

He may well not have met up with her again. But it was "yet", wasn't it?

All those essays...? Phone calls, photo requests... chance of a covering work trip or stag do or whatever, and they'd have met up.

Unless he's acknowledging that and working on how to fix it, I don't see how your marriage can be saved - not whilst he's saying it was just the kiss and he'll take a lie detector test Hmm

I'd be saying - right, go arrange a test I'm not going to be asking you if you slept with her. I'm going to be asking you:

  • did you fantasise about meeting up?
  • did you start to plan how that might happen, practically
Etc.
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