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Dh is leaving me - bolt out of the blue

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aleC4 · 21/08/2016 23:12

That's it really. We celebrated 15 years married 2 weeks ago. I thought we had a happy marriage. I still love him the same as I did when we met but apparently he doesn't feel the same anymore. He thinks the works of me as a mate but the spark is gone and he no longer loves me.
We have just come back from a week's holiday and had lots of fun but apparently it was just like friends and he can't pretend anymore.
I feel utterly gutted and am so so sad for my children that they are going to have to go through this. I can't think straight at the moment, I just feel sick.
He wants to tell them tomorrow and move out to his dad's round the corner. It is going to destroy my beautiful children.

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user1470269632 · 21/10/2016 05:11

I would definitely go for 75% of the house, because if the OW already has a house, he can, and I bet he will, when the dust settles, move in there. He will have a roof over his head, come what may.
In the meantime, he's playing the 'poor me, I have to stay at my father's house on his sofa' act. Don't fall for it and let your solicitor know absolutely everything.
I think you really must get a top notch solicitor and take him to the cleaners. You absolutely must speak to a solicitor before you start thinking about remortgaging.
The IFA can't sort out the best mortgage deal for you, until you know how the house will be split and it's current valuation. I would be very seriously inclined to get my own valuations and pick the lowest three. I bet that's why your IFA is floundering and you can't get a mortgage at the moment. Basically there are too many unanswered questions that need to be settled before any IFA can sort anything, except the value of your house. Even then, I would compare him with another two IFA's, to see what figures they come up with.
Having worked for a relocation company, when house prices were relatively more stable than they are now, it was absolutely amazing to see just how much of a difference there can be in different estate agent valuations. We used to use three, but when there was a difference of more than 5% between the lowest of the highest of the valuations, we'd get a fourth valuation and keep getting valuations until there was less than 5% difference between the highest and lowest. If you can show him and your solicitor a couple of the lowest valuations, then you'd have to potentially pay less to buy him out.
The OW's house can't be too tiny with three children, that's for sure! I wouldn't mind betting that when he thinks he's going to get his 'new fat lump', he and the OW have romantic notions of buying a bigger house. You ex sounds extremely cunning and knaving bastard to me. He's definitely playing you, I'm afraid to say. Don't fall for it whatsoever.
Personally, I think it's very dodgy talking about anything financial or anything else with you. He maybe recording your conversations. I would repeatedly tell hm to liaise through you solicitor only and that you refuse to discuss absolutely anything with him whatsoever. Play the broken record player and keep telling him that. Don't be misled and just keep telling him to speak to your solicitor. Even when he phone's, just keep reiterating to him to speak to your solicitor. Don't get drawn into conversation with him whatsoever. He's already played dirty, so you have every reason to play dirty back. I would think that you're are far more likely to get a mortgage to buy him out if you went for 75% (or more if you can get it).
Personally I, (and I expect other users on this post), would like to have him physically pinned to a dartboard (plus a few other men who've played dirty!), so we could all have a go at getting more than a few 'balls' eyes, with some nice rusty darts. It's no less than he deserves for doing this to you and your DC.
It would be in utterly unfair if you allowed him 50/50, because then you'd be left struggling financially, whilst he goes swanning off into his sunset. Or that's what he thinks. In fact he'll be taking on the financial cost of the OW and her three kids too. He'll soon realise the grass wasn't so green on the other side of the fence and he'll attempt to come crawling back. The kids may want you to have him back, but gently remind them just how much he's hurt you all. Tell them that you just cannot trust him not to do it again.
Once a cheat, always a cheat. That's why the divorce rate for second marriages are even higher than first (which is around a staggering 48%!).
Apart from getting a solicitor, speak to the CAB; a friend of mine found them invaluable when her marriage broke down. They advised her on all the benefits she was entitled too, which has been a godsend to her.
We're all rooting for you, wanting nothing but the best for you. It's obvious too, that all the OP on this thread genuinely care and are feeling somewhat angry to what your bastard ex has done to you and your DC.
Your children may go through all sorts of emotions, including some directed at you, because they are misguided and almost certainly given some sob story from your ex. Especially when the inevitable happens and all goes tits up with the OW. Your ex is in Cuckoo land, but that is most definitely not your problem, whatsoever.
Go for everything you can, if not for you, then for the sake of your DC. It's definitely not their fault that your ex has been a total arsehole.
Remember Relate to one to one counselling too, if you feel your head has become totally overwhelmed by all this.
I'd be very inclined too, to have a chat with your GP regarding the mental health of your children. There's no stigma attached to it now. It's better to get them the help that they're going to really need from an outside, but safe and professional psychologist. Because they're under 18, when they apply for a job in the future, they don't have to declare it to any potential employer. The GP can get a referral to CAMHS (Children and Mental Health Services) and urgently ifnhe feels it's warranted. I did that for my DD as she does pent things up and she just wasn't coping. She was falling apart in front of me and there was nothing I could say or do. I now wish to the moon and back that I'd done it for my DS too, as he now has anger issues. Most recently it involved the police and he came very close to being arrested and charged. It was beyond words as to how painful it was for me. At the time I couldn't get through to my DD at all. Even her friends were worried about her as she clammed up and became a selective mute. I was seriously worried. I thought my DS was ok, but in hindsight, I now realise he wasn't. Children can sometimes feel that a failure of a marriage is their fault, but it's not. In the end, through a counsellor with whom DD felt comfortable with (she couldn't cope with the first, who was a fairly young man) she absolutely blossomed 100%. She was given cognitive behavioural therapy. I think that if I hadn't have done that, she'd have not got through uni and got such an excellent job. I know that she still uses many of the strategies that she was taught.

In hindsight, looking back, I could physically kick myself for not picking up on my DS's anger issues. I know the cause wasn't my fault and totally beyond my control, but it literally eats me up, knowing that he's got these anger issues, he's had several failed relationships that have crashed and burned spectacularly and he's not coped whatsoever. The guilt of not picking up on the clues at the time is immense. The fact that he used me as a punch bag several times,as well as the walls and a door in this house, bear testament to his anger. As his mother, I feel I've failed him completely. The guilt is literally eating me up and tearing me apart inside. I truly really fear for DS's future; whether he'll get through uni, having failed one year, whether he'll cope to the end, whether he'll get a good job and how the hell he's going to cope with any further relationships. I've asked him to just play the files and enjoy life for the time being. I've
told him he's far too young to be involved in a long term relationship. I just so wish, so very deeply, that I got him help too. OP, even if your DC only end up needing one session, at least you won't be in the mess that I'm in right now. And you won't be blaming yourself if one off your DC do go off the rails, unlike myself. Guilt is a heavy burden to carry. I've sought help and in one session, I've got my answers. I think I just need to write them down and read them often, to remind me, it's not 'my' fault.

aleC4 · 21/10/2016 06:28

User thank you for that honest and deeply moving post. I'm sorry things have turned out so badly for your ds but you sound so wonderfully supportive and you'll help him through it the best you can.
Ds has just started secondary school and I informed the pastoral team there. They spoke to him and let him know where they are if he needs them. They also emailed me and told me they have a relate councelor linked to the school who they could refer him to if necessary. Dd has had wibderful support from student support at her school too. I think for both of them it is just knowing that someone is tgetrvif it all gets too much.

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louisatwo · 21/10/2016 08:41

Morning OP,
Hope your last day of half term is a good one - half terms are always great.
Another one urging you to reconsider the 40%. I know that solicitor's fees are large but if you get a better financial deal in the end ...? Could a family member help you out with the solicitor's fees now ?
Don't worry about telling him you've now changed your mind and it's 75 / 25% or even 70 / 30% now. He'll be used to that - after all, he changed his mind about the marriage didn't he? You owe him nothing but his debt to his family is immense. Do reconsider...

user1470269632 · 21/10/2016 15:39

AleC4, I am so relieved for you that the schools that your children attend have what sounds to be an excellent pastoral care team in place. It'll most definitely help them both. Even knowing that it's there will provide them with a great deal of help and reassurance.
I've got another major hurdle to jump over now. I've had chemo recently and was extremely ill. I've been told that I need surgery ASAP, but the surgeon who wants to do it is currently out of the country. He feels that it's imperative that he does it because "It's a very, very risky operation" and I "may well bleed out on the table". As if things couldn't get any worse. I've spoken to DC but they seem to have not taken it in at all.
I think my DD will be ok if anything untoward goes array. However, my son is a completely different matter. I'm wondering if it may be worth speaking to his pastoral team at university, but at the same time I don't think he'd be happy at all to be singled out for any special treatment.
Unfortunately my DP's are behaving very frostily towards me. I don't want to tell them anyway, because I know from past experience that it then becomes all about them and how they feel. I seriously can't be arsed with their martyrdom act right now. Even the flipping DF is in fairy land.
All I can do is hope I beat the odds. The mass that they need to remove is definitely definitely growing. They're worried that it's adhered to other major organs. The lead consultant wants to do the surgery himself, because of it being so very risky and the chance I may bleed out. I have one more consultation with him before I get a definitive date. I imagine and hope it'll be very soon after the 8th.
If I get through this, I just want to get on with life. Another major problem though is that I have a seriously progressive neurological. Therefore it's going to take significantly longer to recover. _I have enough problems recovering from a cold but an operation?!
The only way I can see through it all is to contact social services.
I'm just worried about DS kicking off again. Especially if, in the heat of the moment, uses me as a punchbag.
I didn't think things could get any worse.
I areally need to stay alive for my DC's sake. I want to see the other milestone events in their lifes. Like graduating, them getting married, etc. 😭

user1470269632 · 21/10/2016 15:45

** progressive neurological condition. ..

Cary2012 · 21/10/2016 17:07

It's your break up, your decision aleC I appreciate that, but do please think hard about that 40%. He could use that for him and OW, to the detriment of you and your kids.

You need to take him for every penny. Please don't agree to something that benefits him. Please get a SHL to drive this, not a IFA. Time is on your side.

My three kids were all teens when I was where you are now. My ex offered me 60% of the house which he thought amazingly generous and half one of his pensions.

I left it with my SHL and refused to discuss it with him. I walked away after a prolonged divorce which he stalled, with 100% of the family home, all of the pension, spousal maintenance and the legal minimum for child support.

This means that now my youngest is 19 we still have the family home. If I had accepted 60% of the house, we would be in a very different place financially.

Ex is fine financially, he bought again with OW who is well off. Personally I couldn't care what happened to him.

You have to get tough and fight for what you can.
You owe your kids everything and him nothing.
It's the price he has to pay for the emotional equivalent of throwing you and his kids under a bus.

And I said this before, but be the Petitioner if you can. It's a stronger position to be in.

GeorgeTheThird · 21/10/2016 17:17

60/40 is generous with young children. Only consider it if you are equally dividing the pensions you both have. If not then it is way over generous to him. Make a schedule of all your assets, your incomes and your pensions. Than pay for a consultation with a senior solicitor who can tell you what you should get (ballpark not specific). Don't pay him anything without seeing a lawyer.

Atenco · 22/10/2016 01:16

The advice here is unanimous, aleC. It is not about screwing over your ex, it is about getting the best deal for your children.

myfriendnigel · 22/10/2016 07:49

Cary-that's interesting about being i. The stronger position as the petitioner..why is that the case? (Just starting this process proper now).

Strawberry90 · 22/10/2016 10:33

Yes just imagine the ow spending the money not your kids because that's what will happen.

Cary2012 · 22/10/2016 12:33

myfriendnigel, My SHL told me this, you have more to do initially, regarding paperwork, I had to get the house valued by three agents, I had to complete a huge document regarding deeds, finances etc., but we were driving it, setting deadlines moving it all at our pace, my SHL was always one step ahead, anticipating his next move and was ready to counter it.

If ex, who by this time was living with the woman he maintained he didn't know - you couldn't make it up - had been petitioner it would have dragged on for years. He kept complaining via his solicitor that it was all moving too fast, and kept ignoring letters, court dates, did everything he could to hold it up, just because he wasn't used to not being in control.

The whole process took 16 month, from me filing to the decree absolute. It would have taken 6 months if he hadn't stalled. Left up to him to petition me, I hate to think of the games he would have played. He ended up paying a lot of my costs, because he ignored letters, documentation and messed the court about.

Although he was living with the invisible woman who didn't exist, he was still deciding whether he wanted us to try again. Me being petitioner gave me strength and control back and forced him to accept that for me it was over, and after his stalling failed, for him to realise he wasn't above the law.

He was, and still is, a breathtakingly arrogant man.

I petitioned him for unreasonable behaviour, I had very good grounds for this, seeing it typed up it was clearly emotional abuse, it made me feel good, gave me strength to know from my SHL that I had more than enough grounds to petition him.

It empowered me. After years of being controlled, I took charge of my and my kids future.

Hope that helps

myfriendnigel · 24/10/2016 15:25

Thanks Cary-I'm seeing mine this week so will Deffo say I want to be the petitioner then.

Jayfee · 24/10/2016 16:26

dear alec4 i have read all of your story though not all of the replies and i am in tears. you are a wonderful person. this betrayal is worse than a bereavement. but you will come through it and life will be good again

Tryitonce · 24/10/2016 16:38

No one knows the future. How will you feel if he does well financially out of the separation but stops contact with your dc? What if he moves abroad? What if he has a new family with his lady friend? What if he loses his job and doesn't pay maintenance? What if you lose your job? What if someone in your family is ill?

In the five years since I divorced, exh has seen the children less and less until he has stopped contact altogether. He works cash in hand so pays £25 pm out of his benefits in child maintenance. I had a good career but I have lost my job (redundancy.) I have had to become a full time carer to one of my disabled dc.

Every penny counts.

dodiebantock · 25/10/2016 23:48

Alec how are you? I am just wondering how you are.

aleC4 · 26/10/2016 14:22

Hi! I'm still here. Thanks for thinking of me dodie.
This half term has been lovely so far even though I was dreading being away from the kids so much.
On Monday my fabulous bf helped me pack most of exh stuff into boxes and put it in the garage. We also moved a few bits of furniture round and it feels so much bigger!
Yesterday I had a day out with kids which was strange but we had fun. It was the first proper day out I have done alone and I managed.
Today they are out with their grandparents so I have done some more Christmas shopping this morning and now I am puttering again trying to get exh clothes into bin bags.

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myfriendnigel · 26/10/2016 15:59

That all sounds very positive op... Very cathartic making the house your own Smile

dodiebantock · 26/10/2016 22:59

Alec - so good to hear how you are keeping strong and positive. Bagging up his rubbish must be very cathartic for you - and re-arranging YOUR house YOUR way and not having to take into account his feelings. Good for you! I just hope that the cold fingers of doubt are already starting to grab at him - realising in the cold light of day - (when all the first flush of excitement with a new woman with more baggage than an airport carousel starts to fade a bit) - just what the hell he has done and the mess he has taken on. I hope he cries many a bitter tear for what he has done to you and your children. You are an inspiration the way you are managing things. Go girl!

aleC4 · 26/10/2016 23:08

I am having a bit of a tough night tonight.
I think maybe all the emotion of packing up all his stuff has hit home a bit. I had a few teary moments, especially when I found things that I or the dc had bought him.
It was other silly things too like my favourite shirt and memories of all the places we went when he wore it. The nasty shirt I always hated but we laughed about e wry time he insisted on wearing it.
I feel lonely tonight. I have not felt like this in a good few weeks but I guess it was coming with all the stuff I have sorted through today. The children are here but I feel very alone. I guess there are still tough times to be had and I can't expect myself to be upbeat all the time but when it hits it hurts. And the I feel angry all over again that he has done this to me.

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louisatwo · 26/10/2016 23:20

OP - it's no surprise that its suddenly hit you unexpectedly. The pressure of work and children can often suppress our feelings and then when we stop.... it hits us.

Well done for bagging and binning him today. It must have been difficult.
Flowers

myfriendnigel · 27/10/2016 06:51

It's a roller coaster op-you have been through a shocking time of late and in no way at your choosing. It's hard to compute all that emotionally. You are doing so well-really.

dodiebantock · 27/10/2016 08:28

Alec I'm sorry you are feeling like this. It is natural - we just cannot be strong and brave all of the time. Stirring up memories can make us sad and it is still early days for you. Wish I could give you a big hug - or make you a cup of tea. We are all here - wanting happier times for you. Keeping "on the go" all the time with work, children, managing finances etc gives little time to think and can help blot out the reality of what you are facing and as you found out a few days break gives time to think about things. Try and give yourself some "me" time and treat yourself to something nice before you head back to work and routine - as a little private reward to yourself for doing so well so far. Good luck!

aleC4 · 27/10/2016 08:50

Thanks, I guess it was inevitable that I would have a bit of a crash at some point so I shouldn't be surprised.
Today the kids are out with their dad and stating there tonight. I have to get on with some school work today as I haven't done any yet.
It is my birthday tomorrow and tonight I have a lovely group of friends coming round for drinks and nibbles. I'm really looking forward to it.

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myfriendnigel · 27/10/2016 10:15

Ag that's good- enjoy your night.just the ticket.

dodiebantock · 28/10/2016 10:20

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Alec. Hope you have a lovely day. Each birthday is the start of a new year for us - and I do hope it is a happier and exciting one ahead for you. Enjoy your evening with your friends!