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Dh is leaving me - bolt out of the blue

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aleC4 · 21/08/2016 23:12

That's it really. We celebrated 15 years married 2 weeks ago. I thought we had a happy marriage. I still love him the same as I did when we met but apparently he doesn't feel the same anymore. He thinks the works of me as a mate but the spark is gone and he no longer loves me.
We have just come back from a week's holiday and had lots of fun but apparently it was just like friends and he can't pretend anymore.
I feel utterly gutted and am so so sad for my children that they are going to have to go through this. I can't think straight at the moment, I just feel sick.
He wants to tell them tomorrow and move out to his dad's round the corner. It is going to destroy my beautiful children.

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ConkersDontScareSpiders · 25/08/2016 10:22

Another one here advising not to meet before you take advice from the solicitor.and until you feel strong enough to deal with it and not be railroaded.
I did neither of those things initially, but fortunately had not signed anything before the truth of my situation emerged. The only good thing about my finding out what my h had been up to was that really-if I hadn't found out in time I would have been screwed over royally financially. You might feel like that's the least of the awfulness right now and just want it done.But bide your time and allow yourself a bit of thinking space to recover from the initial shock. These are life altering choices you are being asked to make whilst under massive duress-and what you decide will be it forever in terms of financials.You need decide nothing to his timescales...how dare he even pressure you to? It's very hard to get used to making your own choices and not thinking about the effect they will have on him as well as you-but sadly you now have to stop thinking of his wellbeing and focus on your own and the kids. Which is easier said than done...
Much love to you op-you will get through this.

Rosyglow74 · 25/08/2016 10:55

The speed with which this is moving must be taking your breath away. Your H certainly seems to have his agenda all prepared. Have you ever tackled him - really tackled him - regarding OW? As long as you just listen, but adamantly refuse to agree to anything, it may well be a good thing to meet up with him. He has pulled all the punches up to now, whilst appearing to be so considerate of yours and the children's future, yet knowing full well that you are in deep shock. Something is well off kilter here, and everything is moving far too fast.

You, however, are being an absolute star. You will get through this, but in the meantime look beyond the shock and find some anger. That is always the best emotion at a time like this.

Cary2012 · 25/08/2016 11:01

I certainly think there's an OW in the background, driving the breathtaking speed of this. I also hope I'm wrong.

Cherylene · 25/08/2016 11:36

Years ago, someone I knew, out of the blue, announced to her family that she and her DH were splitting up. They no longer loved each other, they were like brother and sister and the spark was gone. No one else was involved. It was just one of those things. They would continue to be friends and would work things out together for the children.

So that's what they did. A friend who was a lawyer (commercial I think, not family) did their separation agreements for them. There was plenty of money in assets and they both had eyewateringly, highly paid jobs (although friend was part time).

So, things progressed nicely etc until one day, the OW made her appearance. It was an 'accidental' phone call. She was obviously fed up of being ignored Hmm. Then things suddenly changed. Her STBXH came to the house whilst she was at work and stripped it of anything he considered to be his, which the DC came home to.

He chucked in his very very well paid job, so the DC had to be taken out of their private schools. They had to move areas to find schools, whilst she went full time to pay household costs but he would not sign the house over to her (which should have been done when he got the money from his) because the house prices had increased in the meantime so that would mean he had less money than she had............. and in the end she had to do it because the cost of going to court would have been more and the agreement (done by solicitor friend who did not work in this area) had not been drawn up with this sort of conflict in mind..........

He moved abroad with OW and her children, demanded his DC's attendance at short notice, even if they had to cancel a holiday.

And boy, did he accuse her of turning the children against him Hmm

At the time, it was so shocking! But what was more shocking is how many times variations on this scenario were played out amongst the people I knew as they went through their 40s (or more!) with DC who were just entering teens. (Although there was the odd one with younger children, in hindsight, only I did not realise then)

Then I found mumsnet and found out about 'the script' and it is so true!

So, OP, I would say that it is totally possible there is not an OW. But I would not compromise any decisions you make by assuming this. Make sure that you have your back covered, don't let him take advantage of your niceness, and think that you are still a team. And take good legal advice (more than once and from different sources, if necessary) and do things in a proper business-like manner. This will probably lay a better foundation for the children's future than muddling things through for the sake of being 'friends'.

smilingeyes11 · 25/08/2016 12:06

I think you should make any decisions about your future on the basis that there is an OW. How would you feel if you give him everything and then in 3 months time find him shacked up with OW and her DC and potential new DC too? And you left with bugger all while he swans off to shiny new life and children with someone else - thus reducing your entitlement to child maintenance even further.

Do not under any circumstances discuss anything with him - lawyer up and fast. He can demand all he wants - doesn't mean he is right or moral. You have to protect the future of you and your DC and the time to do that is now, not after he has told you what you are allowed to do.

Time to take control and wake up.

aleC4 · 25/08/2016 16:02

Wow lots of replies here today, thank you for all your experience. Sorry there are so many who can offer personal experience though.
I have today left my details at the solicitors for the secretary to ring me regarding an appointment.
I have been into work (I am a teacher) and told my headteacher who is a friend. I was a right mess telling her but felt better for a good cry. She has been brilliant on both a personal and professional level. It felt good to be at work sorting my room out and helped me to give work a bit of headspace. I didn't really think about the dituTion while I was there and I think it will be a distraction. I only hope school has the same effect for my children.
The children meanwhile have been to their dad's and have made lists with him of all the things they want to do - cinema, restaurants, days out etc. And so it begins. Go to dad for treats and fun and come back to mum to be nagged about homework and untidy bedrooms.

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expatinscotland · 25/08/2016 16:05

'Go to dad for treats and fun and come back to mum to be nagged about homework and untidy bedrooms.'

He won't live up to any of it, especially once he wheels out his 'new' girlfriend.

Just look after their financial interests and yours and see a solicitor ASAP!!!

facepalming · 25/08/2016 16:07

Oh ale please don't think that's how it'll be! My parents are still together but my dad worked all the time (7 days a week plus overtime). If he had to look after us on his own then he always took us to do something fun. Part of it was to have nice memories when he was available but mostly it was because he had no idea what to do if he was stuck in the house!

My mum didn't drive and wasn't able to spend money that way so we were stuck in bored - a lot.

I don't think any more highly of my dad for the fun stuff or less of my mum for the boring days.

It was always my dad who took credit for any family trips and nice presents too but it didn't mean we favoured him

Trust your kids - they will know who loves them and has their best at heart

NotMe321 · 25/08/2016 16:12

I'm not sure that the children are necessarily going to find it's that much fun being repeatedly dragged out to the park in the rain. But it is worth making note of the fact that he apparently has money to spare for these things when he starts saying he can't pay the mortgage.

ivykaty44 · 25/08/2016 16:15

Disney dad's need to do the school run and school pick up, preferably on a Monday morning and a mid week evening pick up. That way by the time dinner is cooked, homework done - there is little time for bowling or cinema trips.

Make sure that when planning between you when and who has the dc he doesn't get all weekends to do the nice stuff, but gets the parentung school week to juggle with his job, just like you do.

I bet up until now you have done most of the juggling, well now it's his turn to step up to the mark of juggling teaching as a career and having two dc part time - that's if you want to plan it that way.

Then you get nights of in the week and whole weekends to kick back and enjoy the break, cos you will need it believe me Grin

ivykaty44 · 25/08/2016 16:20

Oh and when he says but I have to work late or I have a staff meeting - it's his call to sort out - he wanted this, let him sort out his shit.

Make sure you get some weekends with the dc to do fun things, do this by having nights if in the week to catch up ready for the weekend.

expatinscotland · 25/08/2016 16:53

You'll soon realise just what others have said, he isn't your friend.

aleC4 · 25/08/2016 22:01

Another day done here. Not been too bad. I have told quite a few more friends, all have been shocked but also very supportive.
I have two wrigglers in bed with me tonight. They are driving me mad still talking and giggling and I have no room but if they need the comfort of being with me I can't say no.

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Yoyoyopo · 25/08/2016 22:59

It all just sounds so shocking I really feel for you - the idea he's just up and left at this point with no notice and no warning makes me so angry for you

I hope he does do his best for you that there is no other woman and that he's just having some sort of mental break please protect yourself and your dc as much as possible

It just doesn't sound rational!

BabyGanoush · 25/08/2016 23:07

He is not your friend.

Do not trust him, please

Mummydummy · 25/08/2016 23:32

Bless you for getting through every day - how strong and brave you are.

Two things - take all the advice here about legal advice and finances. It took me a couple of years to come to an agreement on my divorce because my solicitor advised me not to agree anything before the finances were sorted. Otherwise they have no incentive to do the money side. So you have no need to rush, take advice, think about it, work it through. As others have said, he's had time to think about this, as an intelligent woman you will not rush into things.

The other - please dont worry about him being the fun guy, you the naggy mum. Be the constant, the home, the stable loving one, who is always there for them. It all comes out in the wash. What teen wants to constantly go on day trips? Who do they really rely on to be there? Where do they want to be to relax and do nothing? No contest.

I recently saw some advice for divorced Dads which said do ordinary things, shop, cook, hang out, because when they tire of the constant day trips, they will tire of you.

Much care and support for you. Each day. As it comes.

Shodan · 25/08/2016 23:58

aleC4

Like everyone else on this thread I am amazed and awed by your strength.

I'm not going to repeat the extremely sensible advice already given by everyone else, but I am going to offer a little reassurance on one score...

My (first!) XH, who I was relentlessly 'fair' with (gave him a larger share of the assets than my solicitor advised; drove ds1 all over the country for contact visits etc) never paid maintenance. Instead, he used that money to treat ds1 to brand new mobile phones, games consoles, expensive days out- the whole nine yards. Meanwhile I got deeper into debt buying 'boring' things like, y'know, food, school uniform, shoes and so on.

And I 'nagged'. Ds1 had to tidy his bedroom, do his homework, take his dirty plate to the kitchen- so dull.

But- ds1 is now 20. And the Christmas present he remembers most fondly is the cheap radio cassette player I bought him. He can't remember what his father bought him-but he can remember that his father didn't get up and make his breakfast every day, that his father wasn't at every single damn school play/sports' day- that his father wasn't there.

But I was.

And so will you be.

And that is what kids remember.

And that is what turns them into decent, kind, thoughtful adults.

Good luck.

OneArt · 26/08/2016 09:16

How are you feeling today, OP?

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LittlePaintBox · 26/08/2016 12:01

Just read this thread - I admire your determination to think the best of your husband but from here he sounds really self centred.

Would reiterate what others have said about legal advice - don't think of it as for your own best interests, but your children's. They have rights in this situation as well, and those need to be spelt out and represented.

My sister went into divorce wanting it to be amicable and it was done without the involvement of solicitors. She ended up with no agreement for he ex-husband to pay any maintenance for the kids, who were living with her, so he didn't. She told me she 'didn't want to be grasping'. It's fair to say this has had a major long term effect on her finances.

Mummydummy · 26/08/2016 12:49

And i think the problem LittlePaintBox illuminates is that you are more likely to feel a lasting bitterness if you feel you've been done over or treated unfairly. And you don't want to ruin the rest of your life with the blight of bitterness.

It is perfectly possible with the right advice and time to come to a fair agreement from which you can both walk away without a further thought or any animosity. That includes the XH being able to afford suitable accommodation for the DCs to stay in when they are with him.

Atenco · 26/08/2016 18:28

Secondly everything that has been said here. If you didn't have children, you could give him the shirt off your back, but your children will have lots of needs that cost money and if you don't get a good agreement in place, you will be raging everytime you see them go without, while your ex enjoys the highlife.

aleC4 · 26/08/2016 22:27

I'm still here. Today has been really tough. The kids went out with their grandparents and I found that really hard. I missed them so much. Normally I would relish the time on my own or h and I would go out together but today I felt very alone without them.
I did meet with h today. He has seen a solicitor because he wanted to know exactly what he has to do.
Both of us agree we are not interested in a divorce yet. We both like the idea of a legal separation. A lot of the stuff his solicitor told him I knew already. We were very civil and I know we can make this amicable it's just a bit raw at the moment.
We have a plan but the problem is just money. He is going to give me money for the children and the amount he suggested is very reasonable considering what he will have.
However it leaves him with barely enough to pay a rent and bills. Now if it were just the two of us I couldn't give two shits where he lives but I want our children to have a nice home to go when they visit. I don't wNt them going to some hovel where they feel frightened or uncomfortable.
It just feels so frustrating that we have a plan, an agreement but just not quite enough money to do it.

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TendonQueen · 26/08/2016 22:49

Sorry it's been a rough day. You're doing well. Could he not just lodge at his parents' place and then the kids could see him there? He could take them out places to also have some alone time with them.

aleC4 · 26/08/2016 22:54

His dad's is not suitable long term to be honest. It is only a small bungalow and they are not the easiest people to live with. I also worry it will affect the dc relationship with their grandparents who they love to bits.

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