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support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh

992 replies

besshope · 03/08/2016 07:58

Step this way...
May I start of with a great big ROAR of frustration at having spent many years having to co-parent with someone who (after he left me for OW) has gone out of his way to make my life as difficult as possible. I know there are many of us, so here's a space to share frustrations, tips and experiences.

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Lilacpink40 · 13/10/2016 23:17

Dusters if you were left with car surely he can understand that it was agreed as your property?
Arghh, angry in advance for you if you need to fight this out when morally he should help!

I agree with all posts saying honesty is the best policy for DCs. I'm not going out of my way to be negative about ex, but when he's wrong I say he's wrong. Else I'm acting like wrong is right IYSWIM.

All of us posters wanted a happy and together family and instead have spite from ex's, and worries that DCs being mentally hurt. I still get waves of sadness even 9 months post split. Sad

PurpleThursday · 13/10/2016 23:40

I agree with all you said dusters. It needs to be age appropriate but it needs to be the truth!!!! As long as DCs are reassured they have you, their rock, dependable and honest I think they will find their own way. Where would they be if you fudged the truth too?

Sorry for my disappearing act. My wave has crashed and I have reverted to same old arguments with EXH against my better judgement. DS was there for contact this week and there was a huge argument, that he tells me now (he is home safe) resulted in EXH pulling him/throwing him around repeatedly. DS is very very upset, says he doesn't feel safe with him and saying he never wants to stay with him again. EXH Denys all, saying that DS was difficult and lashed out at him - he can't quite explain why he would lash out though! DS tells me he did lash out because he was physically intimidated and scared after being pushed about/thrown on the sofa so many times during argument. Court is in 1 month. I have emailed wankerEXH with a detailed account and told him the ball is in his court but DS doesn't want to go to his house anymore. I don't know what else to do. I did CC my solicitor. If I'm paying thousands in legal fees I may as well add a bit more to the costs and put it to some use in desperate times like these. God it is awful. My poor DS. WTF is wrong with these idiots? Self centred bastards.

nicenewdusters · 14/10/2016 00:43

Oh Purple your poor, poor son. Reading your post I could feel my chest tightening. How you must be feeling I just cannot imagine. Quite right that your ds fought back - what an awful sentence to have to write about a son and his father. I think you've done exactly the right thing, all down in writing, copied to sols, and told ex HE doesn't want to go to his house anymore.

Does your son have any marks or bruises? Sounds a bit OTT but do you think a quick visit to the GP's is in order? Firstly to check he's ok (he may still be withholding some details out of fear), and also to get it on record.

Lilac he reluctantly left the car here. He had alternative transport and knew I needed it for the dc and work. After a few months he asked if I would sell it and give him half. I pointed out that I thought it was unfair to retrospectively go back and start saying everything was his, as I'd been a SAHM. His response: just sell it and give me the money. I ignored him.

Practically he doesn't need the car, and financially he's better off than me. But in his mind it's "his". I don't know if he'd understand the concept of "morally".

Balanced. Really wanted to comment on your OP today. Will come back to the thread tomorrow when hopefully I won't be raging so much!

Balanced12 · 14/10/2016 04:14

Purple that is awful, I hope your DS bounces back well. I'm under the impression they can make their own decisions if they go or not once they hit 10 ?

Dusters does that mean the cheque is going to him? Do aim to keep as much as possible, ex rang a year after we split saying could he have white goods I paid for them in the first place for some reason (I could slap myself he left huge debts) I gave him them, it's hard when they make you feel unreasonable for keeping wanting your own stuff. FGS writing this down I could scream.

DD is often upset with me as why can't I be Daddys friend, never said I wasn't and that it's so sad he lives with his DB. I hide a lot of the no shows as i stupidly said he was too busy with his gf to turn up, she then had a melt down in the supermarket about it a week later. I want to say he's done the same again but instead I'll continue to be the bad guy in the hope that one day she'll work it out, he tells her I don't let him see her. She then gets upset as Daddy wants to see me but you won't let him.

I can't say daddy doesn't really give a shit without destroying her.

Equally though he's never been physically abusive I just can't imagine how you guys deal with worse than the emotional BS.

greencarbluecar · 14/10/2016 09:16

My god purple I can imagine exactly what your DS is describing. Ex treated me like that sometimes. Nobody should have to experience that and he's just a child, your poor DS.

I think you've done exactly the right thing by documenting it and ccing the solicitor. How do you feel about nice suggestion of going to the GP? That seems a good way to get another official record, which could help in court?

nice and balanced mine took a lot from me financially too (I'm starting to think we could easily write each other's life stories on this thread) and I could scream thinking about it too. I think I'm telling you this for some solidarity, to say you're not alone and we haven't been stupid to get into these situations, it's what they do. Nice I'm still really angry on your behalf about the car/accident/leaving DC situation. Is there anything legally that says if he's left the car with you for x amount of time it's become a gift? Clutching at straws here but the fucking unfairness of how they get away with it is so wrong.

lilac you've said exactly what I was trying to say. If I don't say he's wrong when he's being bad, it's like I'm saying his bad behaviour is acceptable. And it isn't, that's why I left. So it's a balancing act I'm still learning to negotiate, but I'm not going to excuse or minimise his selfish behaviour, but give support in dealing with it. I also don't want DC to grow up thinking it's acceptable to treat people the way he does, or the cycle will continue.

Froginapan · 14/10/2016 09:51

It really is shocking how closely our stories match up.

Nice - mine was the same: we weren't married and now that am no longer useful to him everything is 'his' despite my controbutions as a SAHM I'm simply the gold digging woman who was only after his money and his house.

WearingFuckMeSocks · 14/10/2016 10:59

Morning All, would I be welcome to join too? Having had 2 relatively peaceful years since splitting with my narc ex in 2013, this last year has been spectacularly shit. DC are in tears every week about having to go and see him; DS (11) told me last night that his Dad's house is the only place he's ever dreaded going Sad Sadly he now has a child arrangements order (why is it the court always believe the narc?} and has told them if they don't go to his house as per the order - one week night and alt weekends - then I'll go to prison.

He has a new GF, who sounds just as bad as him - things have taken a definite turn for the worse since she moved in.

greencarbluecar · 14/10/2016 12:47

wearing wtaf he's told them they could get you sent to prison? I'm so sorry. You'd think he'd be more interested in fixing why they don't want to go...Oh yeah, he's a narc. I don't know how people in authority are so convinced by them either, they should surely know, but as your DS is 11 is it worth going back to court? I've been assured that at that age the court will consider their wishes.

frog yeah same. Could have written that myself.

Ex is still refusing to put DC first, and trying to control me. I'm too angry to respond to him at the moment which I'm sure will be used against me even though he regularly ignores me (I only ever contact him about DC).

donners312 · 14/10/2016 14:54

Dusters - please please drive the car somewhere like an airport car park where the parking is really expensive and leave it there!!!!! ha ha ha

Natsku · 14/10/2016 15:36

Oh purple your poor son! I agree with duster take him to the GP to get it on record. In fact, if that happened to DD I'd phone child protection as that is really disgusting behaviour from his dad Angry

Froginapan · 14/10/2016 15:39

Purple, I second Natsku. That is shockingly awful.

nicenewdusters · 14/10/2016 19:52

Evening ladies, welcome socks. That comment about prison is just vile. If he's clutching at that sort of straw, well, he knows he's f*ed. I don't know how the child arrangements order works. Can it be varied, stopped, if you have evidence that your dc are suffering?

Purple - hope your ds is ok today, and still standing firm about not going to his dads.

frog - I see you have been a lazy, non-contributing SAHM like me in the past! Apart from the car business, my ex is so pompous that he's never asked for anything from the house (which we own jointly).

He took most of his personal stuff. His nasty parents gave us a couple of bits of furniture years ago. Just before we split (which involved his dad) I had a day where I just lost it. I dragged said furniture into the garden, chopped it up with an axe, and left it in a pile to dump.

When he got in there had been some "rearranging" shall we say. He looked very sheepish and said, "Oh, weren't you going to paint that?" Obviously not.....

Thanks for car related thoughts. Donners - that is genius! Perhaps one where they do a weekly valet as well, for an extra charge !!

Some light hearted relief re. Car Gate ! Courtesy car collected today. It was new, lovely. Insurers still obliged to provide me with a car till all is settled. The guy from the new hire place was very friendly, kept saying you should have a like-for-like vehicle. I said yeah, great, but really just a car will do. So, they come and collect you and take you to their office.

Earlier this evening me and dc are waiting at home. Uber luxurious, sporty car cruises down the road. "Dusters?", says very young, hot guy driving it. Well, hopefully my neighbours thought look at Dusters, out on a hot date (although my son in the back somewhat spoiled the look!!)

So, we get in. The seat is so low I'm practically horizontal. Too embarrassed to say "Young man, is this seat in the right position?" So I spend the journey looking like I'm in a Bob Sleigh going down the Cresta Run. Dashboard looks like a flight deck, all super slick. We're talking about this and that. Ds asks what car we'll be getting. "This one". Yeah, right, I say, what one really?

He wasn't joking!! I now have the Duster Mobile sitting on my drive. My neighbours will either think I've pulled, moved, or become a drug dealer. I've paid a small amount to waive any liability as I'm terrified of damaging it. So, if anybody out there wants to come cruising with a mother of two, just check me out Wink.

greencarbluecar · 14/10/2016 20:13

Me! I want to go in the Duster Mobile!!

That made me smile, thank you Smile glad you've had some light relief. And I love that story about the furniture.

I feel a bit less alone about his attitude towards me having heard your stories. I felt maybe it was my fault as his views do seem incredible unless there was something wrong with me. He earnt a shit ton more than me all backed up by me as free childcarer/domestic slave, contributed really quite little himself and put me down at every turn. He lived a single lifestyle with us providing the family image when it suited. With the flip side, me in single parent role but hidden because outwardly look at Mr fantastic family man.

purple I've been thinking about you and your DS all day. Agree with Natsku about reporting to ss, and depending on his age and how you feel about taking the step, maybe also the police? Maybe they could just record for now in case of escalation? I hope you're ok, or as ok as possible. How is your DS?

nicenewdusters · 14/10/2016 20:31

I can highly recommend furniture destruction as a cathartic experience. One item was an 8 seater garden table. That required the axe and a sledge hammer. I couldn't knock the legs off, so ended up having to saw them off later to get them into the car ! I was half dressed (nightdress over trousers) hadn't brushed my hair, old boots on. God knows what anybody who saw me thought? They probably ran inside and locked their door.

Oh, and I also "donated" ex MILs brand new box set of Downton Abbey to the charity shop. That also felt good.

greencarbluecar · 14/10/2016 20:58

I sold it Grin which was satisfying but a tiny part of me wishes I'd had an axe to hand now. I have a fantastic image of you doing it, I think you looked like a woman prepared to take shit no longer.

Going to channel that. The future looks a bit bleak right now but I am going to try and make it as narc-shit free as possible. I want to have an imaginary glass wall around us that the shit just bounces off hopefully back into his face

Natsku · 14/10/2016 20:58

Oooo duster mobile sounds great!!

Bet that felt good dusters I had great pleasure chucking out a bunch of things ex MIL and FIL gave me after I found out they had teamed up with my ex to make false allegations about me, and then had even more pleasure refusing to give them back the cot they had given when they had the cheek to turn up demanding I give it to them - it was DD's!!!

Natsku · 14/10/2016 21:00

Also this thread has got me re-visiting my love of Queen and introduced DD to them today and she loved it too Grin

Ex tried to find out my address from DD today on the phone but luckily she couldn't remember the road name so when she asked me I explained that 'daddy isn't allowed to know that because the social worker ladies said so' and he got really angry.

greencarbluecar · 14/10/2016 21:13

Natsku they demanded DD's cot back ???

They literally wanted to take their granddaughter's bed from under her?

FFS. How does someone 1 come up with that as an idea 2 think it's an ok thing to do 3 actually do it?

If we can crack that we'll make the world a better place!

Natsku · 14/10/2016 21:43

They wanted to give it to another baby, apparently a more deserving one.... and it wasn't like they even bought it brand new, it was a second hand cot they picked up cheaply! They are supposedly such good Christians too, missionaries even, but they are pretty evil. Thankfully I think DD has forgotten they even exist and I make sure not to mention them, and ex doesn't either because he's often not on speaking terms with them.

nicenewdusters · 14/10/2016 21:47

My god, we could have had the mother of all car boot sales between us!

Chucked a load out of the shed recently. Came across a bag that made me laugh and feel cross in equal measure. Ex's family friend inherited a huge sum of money plus possessions from her mother. She always had a soft spot for my ex and we also got along very well. Estate was settled, and ex came home one day saying xxx wondered if you wanted this? I'm thinking jewellery, ornament, something for the kids.

No. Think pretend carpet bag from the market, £3.99. Old, musty, ugly. I used it to store my pop up gazebo. In landfill now.

green I like your glass wall analogy. Ex couldn't pick ds up today at time that suited him. Kids were saying to me why can't you leave him with xx, perhaps he could stay at y? They were desperate for it to fit dad's needs. I said no, this is what time he can collect him to suit me. And that's what happened. No drama, because I wasn't budging an inch. If the kids don't see him, if it mucks up his routine, whatever, I just don't care anymore. I've stopped pretending to the kids, and I feel like a weight has been lifted off me.

I know my situation is different because the courts aren't involved. But something in me has changed and I don't now feel I have to protect his character with the kids. It's taken me years to have strong boundaries with people. I want them to know what behaviour they should and shouldn't tolerate. I don't want my daughter to chose the type of men I have, and for my son to grow into one of them.

nicenewdusters · 14/10/2016 21:50

Bloody hell Natsku, no wonder your ex exhibits such bizarre behaviour!! Glad your dd has very little contact with them.

greencarbluecar · 14/10/2016 22:21

Natsku they are clearly batshit. It must be such a relief that your DD doesn't have to see them. Nasty pieces of work.

nice good for you! I'm so glad you managed to get him to fit in with you, even once is an achievement. It's sad that our DC feel they have to dance around their fathers to please them (and heartachingly familiar) but I live in hope that with time and increasing maturity they will understand what's going on and live their adult lives differently. Completely agree about raising our DDs to avoid such men and our DSs not to become them.

You must have been thrilled to receive the grotty carpet bag. Hope you took a lot of satisfaction from hurling that in the bin! I always got the clearly regifted stuff, think real tat and almost out of date food. It'd be funny if I didn't understand the sentiment so clearly!

Natsku · 14/10/2016 22:29

Well done dusters for being firm and not giving in.

Lilacpink40 · 14/10/2016 22:33

Dusters I can't agree with you more... "I don't want my daughter to chose the type of men I have, and for my son to grow into one of them."

Can we all jump in your sports car and go and pull better men?

I also had imagine of getting skittles with ex's photos on and use sporty number to send them flying. Think you could have full car Grin

Froginapan · 14/10/2016 22:50

Christ I hope my daughter doesn't end up with my life