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support thread for those of us having to 'co-parent' with a narc or very difficult exh

992 replies

besshope · 03/08/2016 07:58

Step this way...
May I start of with a great big ROAR of frustration at having spent many years having to co-parent with someone who (after he left me for OW) has gone out of his way to make my life as difficult as possible. I know there are many of us, so here's a space to share frustrations, tips and experiences.

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PurpleThursday · 09/09/2016 21:36

Too tired, upset and worn out to post more. But please can I join? It's taken me years to get away from my ex, now going through court as he says I have denied him access to kids (I haven't) and divorce in final stages with all hell about to break loose financially. Why did I ever get involved with this hateful man? I felt so sorry for him. What a sucker I was.

greencarbluecar · 09/09/2016 21:50

Come on in purple, everyone here understands.

He wasn't hateful when you met him though, was he? They don't show that until much later, and we're nice people so don't suspect that it's all a con. They're masters in making people feel sorry for them and until you're in deep you don't see what lurks beneath the surface. It's not your fault Flowers

nicenewdusters · 09/09/2016 21:54

Please join us Purple, I think tired, upset and worn out is probably a pre-requisite to joining !

That last line of your post greencar made me a bit tearful. I am proud of my ds for the way he stands up for himself. He's never been intimidated by my ex, which is probably why he found it harder to connect to ds. My ex was, and is, very intimidated by his own father. The image of ds knowing he could come back to me is very powerful. How stupid these men are that they deny themselves, and their dc, such a relationship.

I think sometimes I don't acknowledge just how shabby ex's behaviour is towards ds as it's just too painful Sad.

PurpleThursday · 09/09/2016 22:29

Thank you Wine

greencarbluecar · 10/09/2016 07:15

nice it's the love and security you've given your ds that means he's able to stand up for himself and show such resilience, and you've done that while going through hell. You should be proud of yourself too.

I'm starting to block it out too, it's a coping mechanism. I've tried so hard to explain how his behaviour damages their relationship, but he'll never listen, and that energy could be put to better use. I think you've done the only thing you could, you can't change his dad so you've shown him you're different. Sounds like you've done an amazing job x

nicenewdusters · 10/09/2016 09:41

Thank you greencar, your words mean a lot. It's hard to feel positive about your choices when you know somebody is hoping all the time you'll fail.

Froginapan · 10/09/2016 09:44

Welcome, Purple.

Sorry you are having such a rough time. It's soul destroying to see in black and white the lengths someone who was supposed to love you will go to to discredit you to others and rewrite history.

PurpleThursday · 10/09/2016 12:58

Frog I read your posts at some unGodly hour this morning and felt such empathy but sadness at the same time.

I am in the middle of all the shit too. Had one court date. Another in a month. Legal fees mounting. He didn't see kids for months despite my many offers, he broke the mediated agreement (I requested mediation) He blames me of course, tells the world he is a wronged father and I stop the kids from seeing him. (Never have) And now he has taken me to court saying the same bullshit! So many problems. So much EA. I feel physically sick whenever I am in the same room as him. My skin crawls, no human being has ever made me feel that way before. It's the lies I can't bear. Utter utter lies. And the emotional pressure and games on the kids (they actually feel sorry for him) He has manipulated so many friends/family around me. I know the truth comes out, but it may be years! And in the meantime our lives will have been tainted by all these games and manipulation. Sometimes it all just seems to much to bear.

I feel reassured to read some of this thread and know I am not alone, but so sad at the same time. It seems so hopeless.

PurpleThursday · 10/09/2016 12:59

Sorry you are having such a rough time. It's soul destroying to see in black and white the lengths someone who was supposed to love you will go to to discredit you to others and rewrite history.

^ THIS THIS THIS!!

nicenewdusters · 10/09/2016 13:19

I know what you mean about the lies Purple. I can cope with people not liking me, disagreeing with me, etc, but lies just mess with your head. It's the unfairness of it all, and the utter waste of time.

I do believe that generally the truth will out, but in the meantime there is a lot of "collateral damage". Knowing I've been truthful has given me strength, and means I'm not having to cover my tracks. I've given up trying to work out why he is like he is, I'm just glad I'm me !

Froginapan · 10/09/2016 15:29

It's exhausting. I'm a shadow of who I was. My self esteem is in the toilet. I have never felt so worthless.

And the fear. The fear that I won't be believed and he will be and our wonderful LO will have life turned completely upside down and end up only seeing me every other weekend and the rest of the time in childcare whilst dad's at work.

Blushingm · 10/09/2016 16:42

Me too! Stbxh is a huge pia and a narc and has been strangled by his mothers apron strings - he's her puppet!

PurpleThursday · 10/09/2016 17:04

Oh blush the things I could tell you about my STBEx MIL. Puppet master for sure. And ruined her own children's lives by her complete control and domination of them. STBExH is firmly back in her camp, everything paid for, no need to take any responsibility in his own life. The whole thing is so toxic.

PurpleThursday · 10/09/2016 17:07

Frog it is utterly exhausting. I've become paranoid now and lost so much faith. Years of games being played behind my back, constant lies being told. Emotional manipulation and games. I don't recognise the person I am anymore. One day at a time and I put the kids first, all I can do but it seems impossible sometimes. My poor DC's.

nicenewdusters · 10/09/2016 17:33

I'm interested to see how many posts mention our ex's dysfunctional relationships with their parents. I'm not looking for any excuses, they're grown men now and need to be as self aware as anybody else. I'm just guessing there might be a common theme here. Anybody else interested in exploring this?

Natsku · 10/09/2016 18:05

It is interesting dusters my ex has a problematic relationship with his dad and step-mum - they can go for months without speaking even though they are his only support network. They have pretended to me to be understanding and wanting to help me while at the same time trying to get DD taken away from me (they literally wrote a letter to the social workers asking to adopt her). Ex's mum died when he was a teenager (well if that's even true as I can't trust anything he has told me but he said she died and was buried on his 18th birthday and his dad remarried a year later) which might have impacted how his mental health went.

JennyMe · 10/09/2016 18:36

Yep, another one here. Ex-h recently moved 5 hours away. Not going to help with or see teenage son now. Didn't bother to tell me, just went and I'm now left raising my son entirely alone. To the rest of the world he's a charming respectable man. Actually, he's an irresponsible selfish bastard.

PurpleThursday · 10/09/2016 18:41

His dad was lovely but an alcoholic, now dead. His mum had an affair for years when married and made children lie about it for years after their divorce to their father. Isolated their father by all her lies and games. Very controlling. Tried to involve police against me for no reason, social services etc. Tried to get the wedding called off any way she could. Anything to try and split us up. She succeeded eventually but more because I couldn't stay married to someone who slagged off his mum to me but never had to balls to tell mummy to her face. Odd, dysfunctional family, controlling elements all round. I didn't stand a chance (but obviously didn't see that at first!). Mummy has him back under her control fully now. I hope they will be very happy together. Grin

nicenewdusters · 10/09/2016 19:17

Welcome JennyMe.

My ex looks to come from a very traditional, normal family. They are anything but. His grand father was apparently a very unpleasant man, whom his own father got away from a.s.a.p. Weirdly however he (or rather his wife) cared for them in their old age. So although ex's mum and dad deeply disliked their in-laws/parents, they still looked after them to the detriment of their own family life.

Ex's dad is extremely judgemental and controlling. Has spent most of his life discarding people who don't make the cut - in his view. His mum is actually ok. Although she speaks up for herself, she has spent her married life running around after her husband, and ultimately what he says goes. My ex and his siblings have all had problematic lives and relationships. None of them are close to their parents, all just politeness on the outside. Lots of issues but all just swept under the carpet, complete mess.

His dad was actually the catalyst for our split. Ex was like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Couldn't stand up for himself, me, or our family, really pathetic. I know that his relationship with his dad now is really strained, and not so great with the others now I'm not around to smooth the way. I think he knows deep down his dad is an utter bastard, but who wants to admit to that, especially when you've just lost everything else?

When I met ex his parents treated him like something was very wrong. Ironically they were right - it was them! Once he broke away he became a different person. Now they're his only RL support they'll no doubt grind him down again. Never used to believe the Philip Larkin poem "They f**k you up your mum and dad". In some cases it's so horribly true.

Ineedmorelemonpledge · 10/09/2016 19:18

Oh YY to DC feeling sorry for the narcs!!!

STBEX is just the best at playing the victim card. Lonely in his little flat, me trying to take all his money...blah blah blah. DS fell for it all. At first...Wink

Then there's a new woman in his life we (friend and I )accidentally bumped into them outside a restaurant, (they were on a date, but he ripped me to pieces on Whatsapp two weeks before when he found out about my partner even though he was seeing someone all along) when I was introduced as his ex wife she jumped about 6 feet in the air in horror.

I thought yep this is the bitch you've no doubt been hearing about. Just as I heard about the previous ex wife...

The word irony doesn't mean a lot to my ex either.

nicenewdusters · 10/09/2016 19:28

Oh yes, the feeling sorry for poor old dad all on his own.

My ex rented himself a place a while after moving out. My dc spent the first few weeks telling me they were worried dad would be evicted. They knew the house wasn't his, he had a landlord, he couldn't stay there forever, etc, etc. I had to go over and over how tenancies work, how he had rights, how he had a decent job and would always pay his rent.

I really wanted to tell him to STFU, why would you want to worry your own children? But I know why, it's all about him, I'm the big meanie, and the kids must be told. He can't be told anything, so I left it, and now they've seen he's quite safe and secure there. Dickhead.

mulberrybag · 10/09/2016 19:51

Can I join in too please ?
I don't even know where to start putting down my story but I just wanted to ask how you all cope with the anger at the injustice ?
My ex DP has demanded 50/50 custody since we split after he was drunkenly violent. (I ended the relationship), I just can't get past sharing my kids due to his hateful behaviour. i feel so broken and hurt not in a million years did I ever want to share them.
I also work for him, so on the surface I have to be nice and I try my level best to keep things amicable when in reality I just want to scream and never stop screaming at how bloody unfair it is.
Sorry for the rant and so sorry that these individuals exist

greencarbluecar · 10/09/2016 20:04

I wrote a proper post and I think it disappeared Sad

I pretty much said exactly the same as the rest of you, ex has selfish and manipulative parents and he is an expert at lying and playing the victim. Just like they are, in fact.

greencarbluecar · 10/09/2016 20:10

Hi mulberry, that sounds really hard, especially that you have to work for him. Can you/do you want to change that?

I still feel awfully sick and frustrated, sometimes despairing at the injustice of it all, but as time goes on I'm finding it easier to let it flow over me. Not sure if I'm resigned to it or used to it, don't think I've accepted it because it is so painfully unfair in so many ways but I have learnt that the feelings will subside again.

Sorry that's not practically much help, but hopefully reassuring to hear that it can ease with a bit of time. I didn't leave all that long ago but I've been aware for much longer. How long has it been for you?

Froginapan · 10/09/2016 20:31

Pretty much the same here: ex comes free m a selfish, manipulative and very entitled family. I come from a psychologically and physically abusive home - I'm told it's the reason why I've ended up in this mess.