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I am sure I did the right thing - but marriage might be over

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rememberthetime · 20/07/2016 18:27

Our teenage daughter suffers with a mental health condition and has been seeing a specialised therapist. part of her problem is that she cannot sleep outside of our home as it causes her huge anxiety tot he point she will be in hysterics for most of the night. Tonight H and I were due to take our older child to London and stay over and had arranged to leave younger DD with her Nan. We had assumed she was better (due to the therapy) and we hoped it would be a chance for her to prove how she ahs improved. She had a complete meltdown last night and literally begged me not to make her go. She was hugely upset and distressed and I just knew it wasn't right to do this to her for the sake of a night in a hotel.

I told DH I couldn't go and that he would have to go alone. I didn't feel it fair to palce the burden of a mentally unwell child on my MIL and that we could make things worse. he didn't take it well.

We are doing counselling for our marriage and had agreed to trying to "co-parent" effectively. Part of this has been agreeing to how we would deal with things. We had agreed to sending DH to her nans and he has stuck to that. he thinks I have given in and let myself down because my own "stuff" about my childhood influenced my decision.

he uses a lot of psychobabble when he talks to me and I end up feeling wrong and misguided. But in this case i think I did the right thing. She is not ready yet and I just couldn't put his needs ahead of hers. She is a child and he is an adult. But he cannot forgive me and is not speaking to me. He wants me to "think about what I have done" and the how huge it is in how it has set back out process of healing our marriage.

For background - he is a recovering controller. I am usually scared to go against what he wants, but felt strong enough to do what i thought best in this case. Even though i have placed myself in the position of blame.

I have asked the question on the mental health board about if I did the right thing for my daughter and i am sure i did. I can't put her through that and i am supposed to protect her. But is my DH right to be angry at me? Do I deserve to be treated badly by him because i put her first and destroyed our "co-parenting" deal.

There was no way he would have allowed her to do anything other than what we had planned. I have never seen him change his mind on anything once he has decided a course of action.

So I am home alone tonight and he has gone by himself. We have another counselling session later in the week and I expect to be accused of all sorts.

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rememberthetime · 12/11/2016 10:59

Thank you all so much. This has been a really hard road and I sometimes need reminding of why I did it. I suppose I am struggling with the feelings i have of jealousy and anger - but I am also aware i can't control his life. If he wants to mess it up and take another woman into that then he is able to.

I just fear what he is continuing to do to our children. My poor son is having to tread on eggshells around me because he doesn't want to upset me. I just don't want to hear what his dad has been up to. However he is yet to tell our daughter. I think it will set her back and would rather protect her from it right now.That suits him perfectly of course.

But, you know what? Enough of focusing on what he is doing or not doing. I need to build a new life for me and my kids. That means getting myself into a good financial state and that is my priority these days.

I am still seeing my counsellor who has been amazing at reminding me of how far I have come. The fears I have these days are associated with what is real - not imagined. I no longer have fear when he gets home, fear when i have broken a rule, fear when the kids have done something wrong.
I do fear for my financial future and i fear being a lonely old lady - but I know both those things are in my own control. So somehow it is easier.

Right now I am building my life - onwards and upwards.

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Naicehamshop · 12/11/2016 15:10

I read your original thread, and I'm so, so pleased to see your update.
You are a fantastic example to us all - well done!!

Hastalapasta · 12/11/2016 15:15

So pleased to read your update! Good luck with the future, you are an amazing lady and will do well. Flowers

tiej · 12/11/2016 15:54

Bloody hell, fantastic to read that you did it, you actually did it. Impressive or what?

As for him, the only reason he announced he's dating is to hurt you. Any halfway decent person would keep a low profile on such stuff for a while.

Lots and lots of good wishes to you and your children OP. Flowers

Montane50 · 12/11/2016 16:37

Absolutely well done you! Out of curiosity, has your daughter managed her anxiety re not staying in the marital home? If so do you think your stbxh compounded the problem?

rememberthetime · 12/11/2016 16:51

She is still being treated for it - but has had a friend over to stay which is real progress.

She is just so much happier and interacts with me every day. She used to live in her room. She sometimes worries about things or gets cross with me - but we have it out and I find her calmer and more likely to apologise.

My ex is missing out on a wonderful daughter because he can't see that he was to blame. It is very sad for everyone that he can't apologise for his actions.

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JennyHolzersGhost · 12/11/2016 16:58

FlowersFlowersFlowers for you, OP, you deserve them ! Good luck for your fabulous future and never doubt that you did the right thing.

Orangetoffee · 12/11/2016 17:02

Well done OP, you are an amazing woman and mum and will go from strenght to strenght Flowers

RandomMess · 12/11/2016 17:08

Well done, so pleased to see that you have left.

KOKO Flowers

Hurleygirl123 · 12/11/2016 17:08

Wow Op, just read thread...well done, it's not until you get a bit of space to look back, you can realise how 100%right you are..you are a great mother and he does not deserve you Flowers

APlaceOnTheCouch · 12/11/2016 17:14

Well done OP. I remembered the thread and it's lovely to read your update. I know you're having a wobble because he has rushed into dating but really it's just another example of his unreasonable behaviour and poor boundaries. You should be so proud of the fact you are building a different, happier future for you and your DD. Flowers

pasanda · 12/11/2016 17:31

Just read the whole thread and thank God you have got out!

So lovely to read your update. Its so frustrating to read a long thread that just ends, whilst everyone has been begging the OP to leave because of an abusive twat of a husband And we never find out if she did or not.

So, so happy for you, and your dd. Onwards and upwards to a better future for you all.

Montane50 · 12/11/2016 18:36

Hes clearly an idiot and not worthy of either you or your daughter, lovely this is having the ending you deserve

imother · 13/11/2016 10:26

Well done OP. You can hold your head up high and feel enormously proud of yourself both as a parent and as a person. You've found the strength and done the right thing. You've proved yourself capable and sensible and should feel confident in your own abilities and decisions. Flowers

That poor woman though that he's seeing! Don't you feel sorry for her? He'll be doing the love bombing thing to reel her in and deep down she'll know it's not right and will feel so confused. Unless she's met his sort before. In which case she'll dump his sorry arse before he can so much as tell her the rules!

Hope you've got a third room op, I can see your ds deciding his upcoming exams are the very reason he'll need to move from the ex's soon.

PS I think your dd has got it right re no contact with her father. She's protecting herself. So should you. Well done OP. You can hold your head up high and feel enormously proud of yourself both as a parent and as a person. You've found the strength and done the right thing. You've proved yourself capable and sensible and should feel confident in your own abilities and decisions. Flowers

That poor woman though that he's seeing! Don't you feel sorry for her? He'll be doing the love bombing thing to reel her in and deep down she'll know it's not right and will feel so confused. Unless she's met his sort before. In which case she'll dump his sorry arse before he can so much as tell her the rules!

Hope you've got a third room op, I can see your ds deciding his upcoming exams are the very reason he'll need to move from the ex's soon.

PS I think your dd has got it right re no contact with her father. She's protecting herself. So should you.

BastardGoDarkly · 13/11/2016 10:36

Wow OP, I remember this thread, you're an absolute inspiration!

Yes, it's a shame he's missing out on his daughter, you never know what the future holds for them, but that's not on you, that's all on him, you and your daughter (and your son) have a wonderful healthy future ahead of you, thanks to your bravery, honestly, well done Flowers

rememberthetime · 13/11/2016 21:10

Thank you again. Not feeling especially brave this evening. Just had a mega meltdown via text with him. telling him exactly what I thought of his current antics.
I just needed to get it out. Now he thinks I have lost it and is further justified.
I really let rip and my dignity is on the floor.
he keeps saying he is in a different place to me - its really condescending. hes in a place where finding a new woman after 4 weeks of separation is OK. I don't want to be in that place!

Just to be clear tho - as far as i know he hasn't yet met anyone "special" he is just playing the field. it feels almost worse really.

Hopefully i will wake up tomorrow and it will all be a distant memory and I will be cheerful again.

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Hurleygirl123 · 13/11/2016 21:35

He sounds so condescending, you are so much better away from him..you are allowed to be angry sometimes.. Great that you let rip! His dignity is on floor, not yours. Flowers

kittybiscuits · 14/11/2016 06:29

He is winding you up and trying to make you doubt yourself. Step back from the phone x

ravenmum · 14/11/2016 09:01

Well done! Flowers
Yes, he is on a different planet to you and the rest of us.
Is he a Mr Perfect like my ex, who winds you up until you lash out then looks down on you for getting upset? I now have a Mr Imperfect who gets in a bad mood at times too, so I am allowed to be like that without feeling guilty. It's been eye-opening.

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Ineededtonamechange · 14/11/2016 11:08

He is in a different place to you - he emotionally abuses people so the connect between emotion and relationships is not there in a normal way.
His telling you he is seeing people is

A) Probably a lie
B) Probably designed to wind you up as he can see you being much stronger than he ever gave you credit for
C) Irrelevant because you knew he was disrespectful to your marriage anyway - this is part of the reason you left him - why expect him to start being less of an arse now
D) Even if it is true, it is NEVER going to be a truly meaningful relationship with someone else whilst he still emotionally abuses people.

I'm really impressed with how you put your daughter first and stopped the cycle of destruction. You are doing so well... allow yourself the anger, but also rise above it because you are doing the best for everyone involved.

Goddessoftheduvet · 14/11/2016 12:29

Well done OP! Just read this whole thread and I really think you are amazing.

Just a tip to offer you - my ex sends me long manipulative, blaming texts and emails. It's designed to get me hooked into responding. And that's what your ex is doing to you. He probably gets a massive kick out of it when you bite back - don't, OP, don't.

You don't have his good opinion and the sooner you face that and care much less about his view of you, the sooner you will get over this and get on with your lovely life. It's only words. It's only his (gamey and manipulative) opinion.

I get a third party to read texts and emails and let me know if there were any actual arrangements suggested or any stuff to do with our daughter; if there aren't, ignore it. It's hard, but if you don't send the ball back over the net, it falls out of play, and the game is over. And you have your dignity and integrity firmly in place. Flowers

rememberthetime · 14/11/2016 13:21

Yep - avoiding game playing is very much what i am trying to do. I admit though that I think I am guilty of trying to goad him into reacting. because he is just so damn sure of himself and parental. he does make me feel like a child.

Well, this "child" has just been accepted for a car loan! I will be driving (albeit, badly) in around 1 weeks time. I passed my test one year ago and you know what? he asked me to thank him for helping to pay for my lessons. I have no one but myself to thank for getting a car. just a bit terrified i might have forgotten how to actually drive it and will have a crash the minute I drive away!

To the person who asked about my daughter. i am happy to update on her. She is restarting her counselling this week - which is specific to her noise sensitivity issues. it is around trying to help her to cope in a more adult way with them. But also her counsellor knows about the changes in the family and I hope she will be able to help her deal with how she feels about her dad.

Despite it all I want her to have a relationship with him because i think she might regret it if she doesn't.

But overall I have seen big changes already. She is pushing herself more to do things rather than hiding away. She still eats alone and needs to use noisy distractions to get to sleep. But it doesn't bother me - if it is what she needs to feel at ease then I am ok with it. I won't put pressure on her the way he did.

her dad and i will be taking her to her session this week - so I will have to spend time with him. To that end I have tried to be more friendly in tone with him in a message today and late last night. I don't want him to have ammunition against me. So I need to appear strong and fake it till I make it.

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rememberthetime · 14/11/2016 13:26

Oh and my daughter has been advised she is likely to achieve all grade 9's in her gcses - for every subject...this is the level of clever we are talking about. She knows stuff I will never comprehend and is very very wise. But she still needs her Mum.

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