I'm starting to hate men

[Mamaka]

I've noticed recently that I've become more and more anti men - I think since having my first child. So many factors that I could mention and probably many deep rooted issues contributing to this but the long and short of it is why do women have to suffer and sacrifice at every turn?!

I don't really want to feel like this. I have a son who I want to bring up/am bringing up to be a feminist but I'm worried about how my hateful feelings towards men are going to rub off on my dc.

I suppose I am asking if there is a way I can combat these feelings and start to feel more positively towards them.

He did, and in true mythology style Penelope had set up a series of super tasks to decide who would get to marry her, these tasks were so fiendish hard all failed but one man who was disguised as a peasant. When this man completed the final task she knew only one perdon could have completed such a feat and that was Odysseus who cast off his disguise before going all bad ass and killing all the other blokes, thus proving again that it is statistically more likely that men will be a victim of violence.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope

'thus proving again that it is statistically more likely that men will be a victim of violence.'

Zing!!

Thank you. That was really well told. Might read more about this story.

Gee, I wonder why she felt she had to leave this wonderful display of male behaviour behind?

They must feel very oppressed being unable to hate men in peace!

Erm, most of the people criticising you were women?

Well for those women that will be the internalised misogyny and self loathing at work.

You know what gets me is that I actually really care about women's rights. I just think men should have them too!

How do men not have rights at the moment? And if they don't, is that the fault of feminism or women in general? Or something else?

The OP posted about how she was struggling to deal with her entirely reasonable and understandable issues with men, and how she didn't want that to impact on her son. Somehow that has become warped into her hating all men and denying them their rights. I cannot understand how angry and hostile some posters have been towards the OP (and others).

I don't agree that we are the hostile ones.

I'm sure you don't. But it's my perception having followed the thread. One of you has even followed the OP to another thread of hers to tell her off again.

Thanks for telling me what to think, but I'm quite happy with how I'm perceiving you. No doubt that's going to open me up to being told off by you but I'll take the risk.

Yep, brimful of hate, that's me.

Is anyone interested in carrying on with some kind of discussion around these issues?

I am. I think it's a debate with a lot of value.

TheGhostOfTroubledJoe
Is anyone interested in carrying on with some kind of discussion around these issues?

I can see two that want to (best of luck to them), (IMHO) the rest of of use can't be bothered because we will just get told that we are wrong. (just like Dad and Dilberry)

I'm actually really interested in finding out whether anyone believes that it is possible for a woman to be sexist against a man. And if so, what that might look like.

But I don't think that anyone wants to consider that this sexism might be sexism, so I don't have much hope of that being answered.

Some of the things that this thread have got me thinking about are the following-

In the absence of my own children I have nieces and nephews who I am very involved with, two of whom do not have a father who is present. In a patriarchal society what's my role in helping to bring up my nephews to be aware of gender inequality and to treat women with respect? Do I need to teach my nieces about the danger of male violence?

With regards to male violence we've seen opinions ranging from those who see it a perpetrated by a minority right up to those who see it as prevalent. What do the studies show? How many men are we talking about?

With regards to female violence. Why does it seem to be downplayed? How much female violence should there be before we start to consider that violence may not split neatly along gender lines but in some other way?

DilberryPancake
I posted on a thread here once in which the term misandry was used. I was told that there is no such thing as misandry. I find this hard to get my head round but I think there is a feminist argument that you can't have misandry in a patriarchal society.