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11yo DS emotionally abusing me

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jayho · 11/07/2016 08:44

He's following the script, I don't know what to do to stop him.

For background I split from his extremely EA father nearly six years ago. Ex assaulted DS in February and they have had no contact since. It was just the two of them in the room so one person's word against the other. I was offered the option to prosecute but opted for SS support in the interests of them maintaining a relationship. Ex maintains DS is lying and that he will not see him as he feels 'vulnerable to false accusations'.

DS does not know this, he says he doesn't want to see his father and that's that.

To be frank, DS is hard work. He's anxious and demanding, very oppositional and negative and can be aggressive. I have a strong sense that ex has grasped at a 'get out of jail' card. I know he and his new partner have struggled with DS's behaviour and now he doesn't have to anymore.

So the best interpretation I can put on the situation at home at the moment is that various authorities listening to DS seems to have given him a sense of entitlement. Since he stopped seeing his father he has become more and more controlling of me. I don't know if it's through anxiety or what but it is driving me mad.

We have a number of on-going flashpoints. One is bedtime. So I take younger DS to bed first, we have a story and a cuddle then I go in to 11yo. Elder has taken to repeatedly bursting into younger DS's room demanding to know when I will come in to him. I have explained to him a thousand times that if he keeps doing this I will be longer. He always acknowledges that I'm right but then does exactly the same thing the next night.

So last night before I took younger boy up I carefully and deliberately said to 11yo 'I'm taking boy to bed, please go up at 9, have a wee, brush your teeth, go in to your bed and I will come him when he's settled. Please do not come in to boy's room, I will come to you when he's settled. Do you understand?' and asked him to repeat it back to me to make sure he was clear.

30 mins later he bursts in to the room. He does it four more times. Eventually 7yo says 'don't worry mummy, I'll go to sleep on my own to stop him shouting'.

Finally got them both settled at 10.30 pm and I'm exhausted.

This morning 11yo absolutely denied that it happened. He came in once, he didn't shout. I was asleep and dreamt my version of events. He's adamant.

What can I do? Can anyone propose a strategy for dealing with this? I feel like I'm going mad and being bullied by a child in my own home. It's awful

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springydaffs · 12/07/2016 23:44

Despite springydaffs writing off all of us thousands of psychologist "this side of the pond"

I should have been clear: I'm sure psychologists this side of the pond are worth their salt. IF you can get a referral. The only person i know who got a referral took a samurai sword onto the high street and started threatening people with it. The only other person I know who got a referral to a psychologist was... me when I was having cancer treatment and had an extremely challenging domestic situation to deal with. She was only one psychologist admittedly, (among the thousands), job shared with one other psychologist ; and that was that for all cancer services in an entire, huge, health trust. and she was crap

The money simply isn't there in NHS MH. Ime op you have to cobble together what you can; and, with what you learn, bludgeon the NHS to come up with the goods. It shouldn't be like this BUT IT IS.

Meanwhile kids are growing up fast, the delays are horrendous and SO damaging. Iiwy op I'd use the screwdriver incident to put a bomb up services. You're going to have to get red in tooth and claw - don't be the nice lady who doesn't want to cause trouble. Be the opposite. Get every service, charity, org you can think of behind you. Read up on everything you can. Become an expert.

springydaffs · 13/07/2016 00:02

Don't go to CAMHS. I'm not going to qualify that.

LilacInn · 13/07/2016 00:16

Wow, the poor kid. it's hardly his fault that he was born into an extremely dysfunctional situation. he clearly is crying out for help and the one person he should be able to count on is labeling him an abuser. Great.

I would urge you to seek professional counseling for the boy ASAP and at any cost.

quicklydecides · 13/07/2016 00:30

Your ex (a known abuser) assaulted your son.
You didn't believe your son.
Your anxious son is now trying to manage his anxiety by controlling his environment.
You can't see that.
You are, instead, treating him as an abuser.

Can you agree how fucked up that is?

LilacInn · 13/07/2016 02:47

Fucked up doesn't begin to describe it. I feel so sorry for that poor scapegoated little boy and his tormented psyche.

ravenmum · 13/07/2016 06:35

Op, please ignore the people who have clearly not read a word and are leaping to assume the worst of you ... try to remember yourself that we don't really know you or your situation, so our advice might sometimes be way off, even if we do rtft.

Several people advised getting professional help, but it seems you've already taken the initiative there anyway. I agree with others, though, that "professional " does not equal "right" (and they may even jump to accuse you of stuff like people here; they are only human too). As I said earlier, though, if you do stumble across the right help it is great. Keep looking out for your son's interests, drop any unhelpful help if necessary, but don't let that put you off the professionals entirely.

jayho · 20/07/2016 21:31

he is taking me to court tomorrow to enforce the contact order

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Hissy · 20/07/2016 21:49

Stay calm. Let the truth speak for your son and for you.

This man hurt your son on purpose your son doesn't want to see him.

Let your son be heard. He's old enough.

HuskyLover1 · 20/07/2016 21:53

FGS, take control. If he barges in, grab him and march him to his room and give him hell. It's not rocket science. Stop with the namby pamby.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 20/07/2016 22:07

Husky RTFT

Cocoabutton · 20/07/2016 22:07

He can take you to court, but he has been investigated for assaulting your son, social work are involved and your son does not want to see him. So, why would the court find in his favour? At best he will get restricted contact with your younger son (if the action involves him too), but the court also has a duty of protection to your children.

jayho · 20/07/2016 22:13

Bricking it,

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jayho · 20/07/2016 22:20

can someone help me frame this, he's seeking to enforce the order but at the same time not see one child

DS2 has now asked to stop contact because he is becoming anxious

i've proposed suspending until we resolve issues related to both children

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Cocoabutton · 20/07/2016 22:45

You mean, he is asking for the order to be enforced in relation to one child only?

That in itself shows clear issues, as he is already admitting a problem re your older child.

I would say sit down and list the issues as you see them so you can get some sleep. Your stance is more than reasonable in so far as you do not wish to put your children into a risky and upsetting situation, which causes disruption in your household too - there has already been police involvement. You are seeking to resolve the situation in x, y and z way with advice from social work. The whole point of not proceeding with a prosecution was to address the issues constructively.

Do you have legal advice?

jayho · 20/07/2016 22:58

no legal advice, he had bullied my lawyer into withdrawing.

I am confident to self rep

so from my pov, the children are available for contact but they do not want it. 11 yo v clear that his father assaulted him and he doesn't want anything to do with him.

younger does not want to see dad because he has been having stress dreams where dad will not let him come home to mummy, he as asked not to see dad because he is scared

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jayho · 20/07/2016 22:59

im not sure what he want s to enforce

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