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I just hit DP

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Icklepickle101 · 13/06/2016 19:28

I feel awful.

DP had been prodding me and poking me all through dinner, he found it funny, I didn't and after telling him and telling him to stop I hit him in the face. At the dinner table. In front of my parents. Now I've stormed off and am sat feeling sorry for myself and like a horrible horrible person and he's just told me if I ever hit him like it again he will hit me back

What the fuck have I done.

We have never ever ever been violent towards each other and he is honestly an amazing man. I just don't know what to do or how to make things right.

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ricketytickety · 14/06/2016 17:26

I'm wondering if the problem is people can't picture what the op described in terms of what her partner was doing.

To me it looks painfully upsetting.

I wonder if people are confusing the poking and jabbing with a bit of tickling fun, where the person being tickled laughs and giggles and joins in then says 'no more' but it's all a bit of fun.

This is different. It's repeated pokes and jabs - not tickles - in the stomach and thighs when she is clearly not enjoying it. She's not laughing along. She's asking him to stop. They're not on the sofa, they're eating a meal with her parents. She isn't relaxing, she's got a young baby and probably doesn't get much time to eat between feeds etc.

Op's husband himself admitted he was wrong in the end.

NavyAndWhite · 14/06/2016 17:26

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Believeitornot · 14/06/2016 17:29

I don't think this is a black and white situation. Of course the OP shouldn't have hit him, she should have remained calm and walked away.

However the DP sounds like an absolute prat.

NavyAndWhite · 14/06/2016 17:32

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RebelRogue · 14/06/2016 17:35

Rickety no..he apologised as he should be doing. Op also apologised as she should. Because that's what normal people do when they BOTH fuck up..apologise,talk about it and move on.

WindPowerRanger · 14/06/2016 17:38

I hit a man once. I was desperately ashamed at what I had done. Frightened about the loss of control and worried about who I was turning into. I knew it was wrong and I apologised profusely, several times.

Later, I thought about what had happened before I had hit him, and during the confrontation. The cruelty, the goading, being pointlessly and relentlessly argumentative, refusing to stop going on at me when I asked him to, refusing to leave, haranguing me for having the temerity to cry and beg him just to go, and most of all his impassive and complete self-control at the point where I lost mine, his cold superiority when I apologised.

None of that made what I did any less wrong. It is my responsibility to control myself and live up to the right values.

It did bring home to me that this was a relationship with a nasty man that was always going to have an anger-fuelled and abusive dynamic. He was manipulative, uncaring and exploitative and I had to get away from him. I also had the capacity to become angry, unstable, reactive and abusive. If I stayed with him, that is what would happen to me. We would be two abusers locked in a downward spiral.

I went no contact with him 3 weeks later and I have never regretted it.

Control yourself, always. But also ask yourself how on earth you got to the point where your husband thought it was okay to goad you physically for so long and ignore your requests to him to stop, and why you found no other way (leaving the table?) to reassert a boundary.

KindDogsTail · 14/06/2016 17:42

Apparently he's now on par with a rapist.

No, he is not; but for a person not being listened to when she says, 'No, stop doing those things to me', and then feeling extremely guilty and sorry herself after reacting angrily at the person for not stopping, there are some similar underlying characteristics to my mind.

Littlemisslovesspiders · 14/06/2016 17:44

there are some similar underlying characteristics to my mind.

As someone who has been raped I find the analogy you are making quite upsetting.

He has also apologised after she slapped him across the face.

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scousesal · 14/06/2016 17:54

The op said stop ,that was the clue it was going beyond fun .If the op didn't like it that's all the partner needed to know .

KindDogsTail · 14/06/2016 17:55

Littlemisslovespiders
I am extremely sorry about you having been raped. I also apologise if you find the analogy upsetting and I did not mean to belittle any one in your position - on the contrary.

I have unfortunately seen this dynamic I am referring pave the way, from childhood on, for someone to be very badly treated and open to abuse.
Also, someone very close to me was seriously affected by an assault which followed the pattern of trying to say 'No' and not being listened to.

NavyAndWhite · 14/06/2016 17:59

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RebelRogue · 14/06/2016 18:03

Navy i find it funny that now that op disproved all the made up points,it became an "it/he could've been" and still drumming on about it. Op apologised,oh apologised...they talked,they learned, they're going away to spend some time together...everyone's happy!! Oh, wait..

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RebelRogue · 14/06/2016 18:18

Navy sorry i was agreeing with u

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KindDogsTail · 14/06/2016 18:41

WindpowerRanger Tue 14-Jun-16 17:38:11
The OP and her husband have both apologised and feel they have resolved their difficulties after this incident, so this is not about her position:

I wanted to say I think that was an extremely helpful and truthful analysis of what happened with you, and why you separated yourself from the relationship you were in - when you found yourself being abusive too in reaction - so as to avoid spiralling mutual abuse. It is good to know you have never regretted your decision.

Blu · 14/06/2016 18:49

Ickle, Thank you for updating. I am glad that you and DP have talked. If as you g forward there are things that still feel unresolved or unshared, or uncomfortable, the two of you, together or separately, can also consider some counselling.

Good luck to both of you.

Blu · 14/06/2016 18:57

NO ONE said the man was 'on par with a rapist'.

NO ONE said that poking and prodding was in any way analogous to rape.

The question was around if 'No means No' in one context (as it hopefully inarguably should, and must) , should we also expect 'no' to mean 'no' in other contexts. Or is it OK for someone, anyone, to say 'I know you said 'no', but as I was only intending to tickle, prod, poke you, I didn't think your 'no' was important'. And would this stretch to 'pull your hair out' 'chip your tooth', 'draw on your face with indelible ink', 'break your little finger'...and other things which are also not analogous to rape?

When and where does no mean no?

Many posters are saying - everywhere, anywhere, always, where your own body is concerned.

KindDogsTail · 14/06/2016 19:33

Blu You put that well. I could not articulate the idea properly.

BoatyMcBoat · 14/06/2016 21:29

Nicely said Blu

BolshierAryaStark · 14/06/2016 21:39

Absolutely what Blu said, my thoughts on reading this thread were immediately no means fucking no-whatever the context.

Oddsocksgalore · 14/06/2016 21:49

Op, you should be ashamed of yourself.